Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

normanoffside · 12-04-2020 04:25PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

253 in ICU in ROI ranging from all ages

Is that the total number that have been admitted or the current number?

JP Liz V1 · 12-04-2020 04:25PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Are they all covid patients? If so isn't that a big enough increase?

Yes I believe so

Seanachai · 12-04-2020 04:27PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Self improvement and getting fit during the lock-down !

https://twitter.com/i/status/1242550819875999744

JP Liz V1 · 12-04-2020 04:27PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Let's not throw random numbers around without context, there have been 253 in ICU, There aren't all currently in there now.

My apologies as I took it as the current amount in ICU from Covid19

12-04-2020 04:29PM

raclle wrote: »

This was my thinking. I know we need the economy up and running asap but this will have all been for nothing otherwise.

I wonder if perhaps sometime in the future they just say f**k it there's no way of stopping or controlling this virus and continue as normal.

The herd immunity concept is a valid one...but....at a rate the health and funeral services can cope with... and this is what the authorities are trying to calculate. One way or another most of us are going to have to be either infected or vaccinated. Of course preferably the latter, if it’s achievable. Realistically we are going to have to “accept” death at least at a rate that the services can handle, and we will lose many many more loved ones.

normanoffside · 12-04-2020 04:30PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

My apologies as I took it as the current amount in ICU from Covid19

3 days ago Fergal Bowers tweeted that 53 had recovered and left ICU and many others have unfortunately died.

We are likely around 160 at the moment.

eagle eye · 12-04-2020 04:31PM

easypazz wrote:

Doctor Trump keeps banging on about a 15 minute test result developed by tremendous American scientists and manufactured by brilliant American companies, but other than that nobody else seems to believe in it.

It's being used in Georgia and Massachusetts and some other states. I believe a positive test result came come in five minutes but it takes fifteen to clear you.
It was developed in Ireland.

easypazz · 12-04-2020 04:35PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's being used in Georgia and Massachusetts and some other states. I believe a positive test result came come in five minutes but it takes fifteen to clear you.
It was developed in Ireland.

If it worked we would all be looking for them to be rolled out though.

I question the accuracy as it is only Trump who goes on about them.

Strumms · 12-04-2020 04:38PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Self improvement and getting fit during the lock-down !

https://twitter.com/i/status/1242550819875999744

Wow, that’s a seriously nice kitchen.

political analyst · 12-04-2020 04:38PM

Laura Perrins (née McGowan), co-founder of the website The Conservative Woman, tweeted earlier today:

When this madness ends, and we understand the lockdown will kill more than the virus I want her press conferences continued.
I want the announcement of: unemployment, debt, domestic violence figures, suicide figures, business closures.
Every single day.

Tippex · 12-04-2020 04:38PM

easypazz wrote: »

Doctor Trump keeps banging on about a 15 minute test result developed by tremendous American scientists and manufactured by brilliant American companies, but other than that nobody else seems to believe in it.

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

wakka12 · 12-04-2020 04:40PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Let's not throw random numbers around without context, there have been 253 in ICU, There aren't all currently in there now.

According to worldometres there are 194 currently in ICU in Ireland. Though I dont know how up to date worldometres data is on this

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 04:41PM

raclle wrote: »

This was my thinking. I know we need the economy up and running asap but this will have all been for nothing otherwise.

I wonder if perhaps sometime in the future they just say f**k it there's no way of stopping or controlling this virus and continue as normal.

How can restrictions be eased?

Shouldn't we be reducing the infections by identifying cases, isolating and contact tracing? Our testing is a mess, I really don't see a reduction in numbers by may 5th. If numbers keep increasing, there's no lifting restrictions.

Phoebas · 12-04-2020 04:41PM

Tippex wrote: »

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

Cillian De Gascun was on Newstalk this morning and was asked about this test - said it may become some part of our testing strategy, but it had a problem that it 'didn't scale'.
Not sure what was meant by this - presumably the production of the test wasn't scaleable for widespread use.

Duke of Url · 12-04-2020 04:42PM

Yesterday I saw a count on 115 in ICU.

Professor Moriarty · 12-04-2020 04:42PM

Tippex wrote: »

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

Here you go.

Coyote · 12-04-2020 04:43PM

Seanachai wrote: »

https://youtu.be/6GzhYqAA5XU

just take the url from the address bar in the browser don't use the quick link

kilkenny31 · 12-04-2020 04:45PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can restrictions be eased?

Shouldn't we be reducing the infections by identifying cases, isolating and contact tracing? Our testing is a mess, I really don't see a reduction in numbers by may 5th. If numbers keep increasing, there's no lifting restrictions.

Depends on what you mean by reduction in numbers. If our new daily cases went down to say less than 200 per day and deaths were around 20‐30 Thay probably would be ok to lift some restrictions. I see this taoiseach is saying the peak is most likely to be the end of the month .

Ace2007 · 12-04-2020 04:45PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can restrictions be eased?

Shouldn't we be reducing the infections by identifying cases, isolating and contact tracing? Our testing is a mess, I really don't see a reduction in numbers by may 5th. If numbers keep increasing, there's no lifting restrictions.

The number of positive cases, isn't necessarily an issue, like if had 100,000 more confirmed cases, and only 2,000 of them needed treatment in a hospital that would be fantastic, compared to have 20,000 more cases and say 1,000 needing treatment.

The most important numbers are how many need hospital care at any one time, and also need ICU at any one time. I haven't seen those figures - all we see is how many have been in hospital - approx 22%.

Strazdas · 12-04-2020 04:46PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Here you go.

According to that, proper blood testing would be needed, not those home kits.

There still seems to be a lot of concern also that the antibody route may be a false dawn.

Professor Moriarty · 12-04-2020 04:48PM

Strazdas wrote: »

According to that, proper blood testing would be needed, not those home kits.

There still seems to be a lot of concern also that the antibody route may be a false dawn.

Absolutely. Unreliable testing would just exacerbate the problem.

spookwoman · 12-04-2020 04:50PM

very valid point
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249332636771901440?s=20

munsterlegend · 12-04-2020 04:51PM

Tippex wrote: »

The UK had ordered something like 17m kits and admitted about 10 days ago they did not work sufficiently cannot remember where I had seen it

Yeah saw that too.

Rob A. Bank · 12-04-2020 04:51PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 12 April 2020 @ 08:00 hrs.

novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-12.png?itok=MZA8tcUV

novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-12.png?itok=MZA8tcUV

A stuttering plateau in the infection curve with a slight downward trend in daily cases in Europe, as the UK adds more cases to the total.

Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

bodhrandude · 12-04-2020 04:55PM

I found the charity to that can directly help the Sierra Leone Covid campaign called Medecine Sans Frontieres - MSF which has a drop down list of countries and I implore some of you to do the same, all I could donate was 20 Euro but hopefully it helps their cause. I can't imagine a country with only two ventilators to cope with this crisis. Here is the MSF website. https://donate.msf.org/thankyou.php

Strazdas · 12-04-2020 04:56PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun was on Newstalk this morning and was asked about this test - said it may become some part of our testing strategy, but it had a problem that it 'didn't scale'.
Not sure what was meant by this - presumably the production of the test wasn't scaleable for widespread use.

Dr Cillian says he is also expecting 5000 to 7000 tests per day this week, perhaps within the next 48 hours.

Should be very interesting to see how this impacts on the new cases daily total.

Seamie12345 · 12-04-2020 05:04PM

spookwoman wrote: »

very valid point

This is absolutely a truth.
My mother is in a nursing home having had to be moved there permanently at the beginning of March having (miraculously) come through double pneumonia after fabulous care in hospital where they gave her every single chance to recover in spite of tremendous odds and a number of other underlying conditions.
With an accompanying heart condition, the nursing home have already contacted me directly to say that should she contract the virus (no cases in the home currently or to date), then she would not be going to hospital.
Not an easy phonecall for them to make but I understand the reasoning (in her particular situation at least)

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-04-2020 05:04PM

spookwoman wrote: »

very valid point
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1249332636771901440?s=20

That is a good point. I think many people don’t understand how ugly ICU can be. Aggressive intervention should happen if the patient has a real shot at survival but do we want to spend the dying moments of somebody’s life breaking ribs or trying to intubate them? DNRs tend to get painted negatively but they do serve a useful purpose. I want to sign one.

JP Liz V1 · 12-04-2020 05:10PM

Seamie12345 wrote: »

This is absolutely a truth.
My mother is in a nursing home having had to be moved there permanently at the beginning of March having (miraculously) come through double pneumonia after fabulous care in hospital where they gave her every single chance to recover in spite of tremendous odds and a number of other underlying conditions.
With an accompanying heart condition, the nursing home have already contacted me directly to say that should she contract the virus (no cases in the home currently or to date), then she would not be going to hospital.
Not an easy phonecall for them to make but I understand the reasoning (in her particular situation at least)

I would have thought it would be the families, next of kin decision ultimately

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 05:11PM

Italy reports 4,092 new cases and 431 new deaths (down from 619 yesterday).

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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