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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1802
    [Deleted User]
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    There’s no common cold vaccine, IMO, because there’s no real impetus to develop one. Like, colds can be very unpleasant but they are generally mild and self-limiting. Even the very worst colds of my life, I was well capable of going to school/going to college/working. I think they barely even kill elderly people or immunosuppressed people. I’ve never had the flu that I know of, but apparently colds are way less exhausting than flus. So with all that in mind and considering the expense involved in vaccine development, I can see why they never bothered for the common cold. It’s not necessary that a vaccine can’t be found. It just not a very glamorous area of research.

    And like most illnesses, there is far more money to be made out of treating the symptoms than finding a cure.


  • #1803
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Apple/Google are working on an app based off bluetooth.

    I can just see clowns and teenagers downloading the app and saying they are cv positive for the craic.

    Do you really think it's going to be a self diagnostic app?


  • #1804
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Aegir wrote: »
    And like most illnesses, there is far more money to be made out of treating the symptoms than finding a cure.

    I guess. Though I’m weary of that sentiment too when people inform me that there is a cure for cancer but it’s being suppressed. Thanks folks, that’s really comforting. And of course they’re basing that on the square root of fuck all proof.


  • #1805
    New Home
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    There’s no common cold vaccine, IMO, because there’s no real impetus to develop one. Like, colds can be very unpleasant but they are generally mild and self-limiting. Even the very worst colds of my life, I was well capable of going to school/going to college/working. I think they barely even kill elderly people or immunosuppressed people. I’ve never had the flu that I know of, but apparently colds are way less exhausting than flus. So with all that in mind and considering the expense involved in vaccine development, I can see why they never bothered for the common cold. It’s not necessary that a vaccine can’t be found. It just not a very glamorous area of research.

    Plus, not finding a cure or a vaccines is very lucrative, just like for dental caries (and no, I'm not paranoid).
    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I'm trying to get the reality across to people who still have sand in their head.

    FYP.


  • #1806
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I'm trying to get the reality across to people who still have their head in the sand.

    You’re trying to get across the reality by... not using reality?


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  • #1807
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Well I don't mean come may 5th everything will open back up.
    More then likely it will be non essential workers allowed back to work, with gyms, pubs, school closed.

    Places opening would have to keep social distancing in place like supermarkets. Offices would have to have some arrangement. Could be like a limited number of staff in the office per day and anywork that can be done at home, does be.
    With the elderly and vulnerable still cocooning, hospital, ICU and deaths should remain low as only the young and fit would be exposed to the virus (obviously some young and healthy will still end up in the ICU and die)

    End game is get to a stage where the hospitals can cope with new cases and the economy can slowly open. It's going to be a very hard act to balance.

    What exactly one constitute a non essential worker allowed back to work? I'm curious.

    If you work in an office, and currently work from home, that will continue for the next 6 months, and no real reason why it shouldn't.

    It was reported a few weeks back that the median age for those admitted to ICU was 62, now that's quite young, allowing people back to work is only going to increase the infection numbers.


  • #1808
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,079 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I thought the US and UK were developing home testing kits and also having fast results like after 24 hours
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  • #1809
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I'm trying to get the reality across to people who still have their head in the sand.

    While you’re at it maybe you should post some positive things alongside your doom and gloom like how thousands have recovered. I believe there’s a 4 year old kid on chemo for cancer caught it and recovered, would we ever see a post like that from you?


  • #1810
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Do you really think it's going to be a self diagnostic app?

    You tell me.


  • #1811
    CitizenFloor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭CitizenFloor


    tobefrank321 wrote:
    I can just see clowns and teenagers downloading the app and saying they are cv positive for the craic.

    tobefrank321 wrote:
    Apple/Google are working on an app based off bluetooth.


    I'd imagine there would be built in protection to prevent that.


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  • #1812
    Stheno
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    Ace2007 wrote: »
    What exactly one constitute a non essential worker allowed back to work? I'm curious.

    If you work in an office, and currently work from home, that will continue for the next 6 months, and no real reason why it shouldn't.

    Construction/ garden centres/ hardware stores/shops currently closed would all currently be non essential workers


  • #1813
    JP Liz V1
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    Happy Easter
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  • #1814
    Wolf359f
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    Ace2007 wrote: »
    What exactly one constitute a non essential worker allowed back to work? I'm curious.

    If you work in an office, and currently work from home, that will continue for the next 6 months, and no real reason why it shouldn't.

    I have no clue what is considered a non essential worker. What I mean is those who haven't been working, will have to get back working in the near future. Obviously with the exception of bars, nightclubs etc...


  • #1815
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    You tell me.
    Maybe something like the Chinese version, where if you were close to a known case your QR barcode goes orange. If you haven't been close to any confirmed cases, it stays green.
    You are the one suggesting the app will allow the user to confirm they are positive, which is just ridiculous.


  • #1816
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    There’s no common cold vaccine, IMO, because there’s no real impetus to develop one. Like, colds can be very unpleasant but they are generally mild and self-limiting. Even the very worst colds of my life, I was well capable of going to school/going to college/working.

    I'm no expert but perhaps another reason there is no interest in eliminating common colds is that they are useful in strengthening your immune system particularly at a younger age?


  • #1817
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,784 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    What's his sexuality got to do with it?

    Zero to do with it, but it keeps getting brought up in the media by supporters by everyone....I’m also wondering. I’d rather his capability be the issue...


  • #1818
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    While you’re at it maybe you should post some positive things alongside your doom and gloom like how thousands have recovered. I believe there’s a 4 year old kid on chemo for cancer caught it and recovered, would we ever see a post like that from you?

    Posts like these remind me of when I was a kid and my Ma, who was very accomplished with the wooden spoon, would split her improving lectures with smacks..

    I'll...smack...teach you...smack...how to...smack.....be good ...smack. .and have manners...smack.

    Why don't you take up the load of posting the good stuff and quit smacking other people in an effort to make them be good? (Smack :D )


  • #1819
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'm no expert but perhaps another reason there is no interest in eliminating common colds is that they are useful in strengthening your immune system particularly at a younger age?

    Maybe. Though wouldn’t they only produce antibodies against cold viruses? I ain’t no immunologist, so I’m not sure if that’s useful or not.


  • #1820
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Posts like these remind me of when I was a kid and my Ma, who was very accomplished with the wooden spoon, would split her improving lectures with smacks..

    I'll...smack...teach you...smack...how to...smack.....be good ...smack. .and have manners...smack.

    Why don't you take up the load of posting the good stuff and quit smacking other people in an effort to make them be good? (Smack :D )

    If you read the post you’ll see that I posted positivity. Here’s another one for ya. The virus is beginning to slow down worldwide.


  • #1821
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    smelly sock wrote: »
    He is advocating for an indefinite lockdown.

    If we lockdown for any longer after the 5th of May a lot of people will have nothing to return too. That is a legitimate concern for many.

    What he is saying is manipulative.

    Im all for protecting the most at risk groups but destroying our economy isnt the way to do it.

    Most of us have gone through something that resembles the five stages of grief in regard to the Coronavirus. You're essentially at the bargaining stage right now, but acceptance will come.


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  • #1822
    JP Liz V1
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    253 in ICU in ROI ranging from all ages
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  • #1823
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    If you read the post you’ll see that I posted positivity. Here’s another one for ya. The virus is beginning to slow down worldwide.

    That's good


  • #1824
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Stheno wrote: »
    Construction/ garden centres/ hardware stores/shops currently closed would all currently be non essential workers

    Are you ok for creches to be open?


  • #1825
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    The HSE app (the one that is being worked on and has been mentioned in the briefings, not by Apple or Google) will use Bluetooth and likely be based on the open-sourced Singapore one, Trace Together.

    A facility to track symptoms was also mentioned in the briefings, but that would be for research purposes, not diagnosis.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-smartphone-app-to-facilitate-contact-tracing-to-be-rolled-out-hse-says-1.4215036

    https://www.ed.ac.uk/usher/breathe/latest/statement-covid-19-symptom-tracker-app


  • #1826
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Self improvement and getting fit during the lock-down !

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1242550819875999744

    ;)


  • #1827
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    253 in ICU in ROI ranging from all ages

    Are they all covid patients? If so isn't that a big enough increase?


  • #1828
    raclle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭raclle


    jackboy wrote: »
    As soon as the restrictions ease, infections and deaths will rapidly rise. So easing the restrictions is going the herd immunity route that Boris was mocked for.

    Don’t for a minute think that low level social distancing and hand washing will stop this virus exploding. That would be no more than wishful thinking.

    There would be very little difference ending the restrictions today compared with ending them in a few weeks time.
    This was my thinking. I know we need the economy up and running asap but this will have all been for nothing otherwise.

    I wonder if perhaps sometime in the future they just say f**k it there's no way of stopping or controlling this virus and continue as normal.


  • #1829
    [Deleted User]
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    If one already has had the virus then it is possible one has sufficient antibodies not to be either a danger to others or self. I believe a quick readily available reliable antibody test is going to be one of the keys to freedoms. Would let medical and front line staff work freely, as indeed everybody else. Could permit travel and all freedoms...if it is reliable. Of course it might have to be repeated quarterly or however often is deemed necessary. Watching the documentaries and news items it is looking likely that this will be available well before a vaccine is.

    It would be a good boost to the vulnerable as it might permit much needed socialising of them among those seemed safe.


  • #1830
    easypazz
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought the US and UK were developing home testing kits and also having fast results like after 24 hours

    Doctor Trump keeps banging on about a 15 minute test result developed by tremendous American scientists and manufactured by brilliant American companies, but other than that nobody else seems to believe in it.


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  • #1831
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    253 in ICU in ROI ranging from all ages

    Let's not throw random numbers around without context, there have been 253 in ICU, There aren't all currently in there now.


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