Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Beasty

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“Average” is a non-defined term. “Mean” and “Median” are both mathematically defined terms.
Mean = the sum of a series of numbers divided by the number of items in the series
Hence the Mean of 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 7, 8 = (1+2+3+3+4+7+8)/7 = 4
Median is the midpoint number. In the above example it’s the 4th number in the sequence of 7 numbers – in this case 3
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Beasty

Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak
Somewhere in the town
Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak
So don't you be around

Breakout!!

Beasty

A bar chart this time:



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theballz

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

JP Liz V1

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

Maybe ring 999, get an ambulance

Away With The Fairies

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

Hope you get better soon

MipMap

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

You know what the advice is. Testing is one thing but if you feel you are really in a bad way ring the emergency services immediately. Let them decide.
Good luck !

Westernyelp

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

They say you should lay on your front for comfort and safety. the long waits for test results should be largely dealt with at this stage. hopefully

Wolf359f

theballz wrote: »

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.
.

The result isn't a cure. You will still have what ever illness you have right now.
I hope you do feel better and don't be afraid to call for an ambulance if you need one.

lbj666

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

Get back on to yer GP or go to A&E , the test results dont mean ****e if you are in that sort of condition anyway.

fritzelly

So thread 15 - who would have thought

Guesses on the final number...25

nocoverart

Have a big shop delivery tomorrow, really mixed messaging on should you disinfect or not and what’s the best way to do it. Best to be overkill than complacent I guess.

Strazdas

An Oxford University professor (Sarah Gilbert) thinks a vaccine could be ready as soon as September.

You would really hope so.....lots of gloomy speculation across the board today that restrictions and social distancing could easily go on for another year at least worldwide (causing havoc for economies, travel, tourism and sport).

JP Liz V1

fritzelly wrote: »

So thread 15 - who would have thought

Guesses on the final number...25

I think over 70 threads even could make it to 100

lbj666

Guys is there any data on how many people are getting referred for tests/day, i know there is a backlog, but if the number of referrals for tests would be a reasonable metric indicator to use since we all know confirmed cases dont mean anything at the moment.

threeball

lbj666 wrote: »

Get back on to yer GP or go to A&E , the test results dont mean ****e if you are in that sort of condition anyway.

Certainly look for assistance but do not go to A&E. They are not equipped to deal with Covid patients. Ring you doctor or east doc or whatever and get referred in. You cant fcuk around waiting for your breathing to go shallow before acting. It can change in a very short period from worrying to critical

threeball

Strazdas wrote: »

An Oxford University professor (Sarah Gilbert) thinks a vaccine could be ready as soon as September.

You would really hope so.....lots of gloomy speculation across the board today that restrictions and social distancing could easily go on for another year at least worldwide (causing havoc for economies, travel, tourism and sport).

Would you take it. After 4 months of testing? I think I'll let a bunch of others get us to herd immunity thank you and take my chances.

randy hickey

The rather horrific situation currently in Ecuador:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsfjnRB-uA

TomSweeney

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

Jesus man !! get well soon !!

wakka12

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-black-and-hispanic-people-twice-as-likely-to-die-in-us-from-covid-19-11971690

Black and Hispanic Americans are twice as likely to die from COVID as white Americans. In Chicago black residents are dying at 3.4 times as high a rate as white residents.

Given that white americans are by far the oldest demographic in the country, it would imply that chronic illnesses may play an even larger role in COVID complications than age

threeball

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think over 70 threads even could make it to 100

This thread is multiplying faster than the virus.

fritzelly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think over 70 threads even could make it to 100

If we get to 100 I think I'll lose the will to live

Wolf359f

lbj666 wrote: »

Guys is there any data on how many people are getting referred for tests/day, i know there is a backlog, but if the number of referrals for tests would be a reasonable metric indicator to use since we all know confirmed cases dont mean anything at the moment.

I think the backlog is gone (with the exception of the rest of the German results due) so anyone ringing for a test, should be tested pretty quick and their result back quick also.
The numbers looking for a test mean even less, only ~15% tested prove positive where a confirmed case.... is a confirmed case. It be a better metric to use.

MipMap

nocoverart wrote: »

Have a big shop delivery tomorrow, really mixed messaging on should you disinfect or not and what’s the best way to do it. Best to be overkill than complacent I guess.

I put out boxes for the Tescos guy.

Non fridge stuff I put in a spare room for a few days. The other stuff I washed down the packaging with hot soapy water. Washed hands afterwards.
Hard to know what to do with Bread and the likes.
Lot's of folk have handled these things and it's better to be safe than sorry.

Cork Boy 53

fritzelly wrote: »

So thread 15 - who would have thought

Guesses on the final number...25

50 plus.

Strazdas

threeball wrote: »

Would you take it. After 4 months of testing? I think I'll let a bunch of others get us to herd immunity thank you and take my chances.

I do think medicine and science offers us the way out of this nightmare. Social distancing will never solve it (unless Covid mysteriously starts to retreat of its own accord)

Interesting to see what happens with antibody testing though : it seems the US and Germany intend going the mass testing route (UK too).

TomSweeney

nocoverart wrote: »

Have a big shop delivery tomorrow, really mixed messaging on should you disinfect or not and what’s the best way to do it. Best to be overkill than complacent I guess.

Washing your shopping ?



There's paranoia and there's ****ing paranoia!

Andrew76

Story with worldometers listing 1515 new cases for Ireland? Rte says 480.

polesheep

TomSweeney wrote: »

Washing your shopping ?



There's paranoia and there's ****ing paranoia!

I suspect that the people running this mess wash their shopping.

speckle

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

theballz if you are still reading this thread stop. Dial your out of hours doctor. If you cannot get through Diall 999 OR 112 and let them decide what what you need to do. In some case rapid decline happens. Ring now while you can talk. Ring even if you cant and follow the instructions.
NOW.

MipMap

lbj666 wrote: »

Guys is there any data on how many people are getting referred for tests/day, i know there is a backlog, but if the number of referrals for tests would be a reasonable metric indicator to use since we all know confirmed cases dont mean anything at the moment.

Today they said they are doing about 4,000 per day. There does not seem to be a backlog given that some test centers were saying they did not have enough to do.

This is it

Andrew76 wrote: »

Story with worldometers listing 1515 new cases for Ireland? Rte says 480.

Return of 1000+ positive tests that were sent to Germany for processing. They were added to today's figures.

threeball

Strazdas wrote: »

I do think medicine and science offers us the way out of this nightmare. Social distancing will never solve it (unless Covid mysteriously starts to retreat of its own accord)

Interesting to see what happens with antibody testing though : it seems the US and Germany intend going the mass testing route (UK too).

I agree they both do but rushed medicine is bad medicine. No one has a clue what the longer term effects could be. I'd prefer to see a successful treatment using an existing drug that significantly reduces the fatalities than a vaccine.

The antibody test will be interesting but i dont think we'll get anywhere near enough numbers to open up society again. Even partially

kmart6

Beasty wrote: »

Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak
Somewhere in the town
Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak
So don't you be around

Breakout!!

Can you start linking the new thread in your last post in the previous thread? Makes it easier to transition over.

lbj666

MipMap wrote: »

Today they said they are doing about 4,000 per day. There does not seem to be a backlog given that some test centers were saying they did not have enough to do.

Cheers but i mean referrals for tests, ie the number of people per day put on the waiting list?

JP Liz V1

I didn't see the briefing but why is George Lee and other journalists in trouble for asking the correct numbers waiting on tests and results, as weeks are going on the delays are longer and increasing, is our system fceked

owlbethere

nocoverart wrote: »

Have a big shop delivery tomorrow, really mixed messaging on should you disinfect or not and what’s the best way to do it. Best to be overkill than complacent I guess.

I wouldn't be one to clean groceries. I mean like who has time for that type of cleaning sh1t.

Then I watched this:

https://youtu.be/vv9JQ0iPfgE

Its a simulation of a cough expelling the virus. In an enclosed setting with aisles.

Its pack of **** wiping down groceries because who has time for that.

raclle

theballz wrote: »

I’ve had symptoms the last week or so, today has been absolutely horrendous. It has been one of the worst days I can remember, throughout the day i would get this horrible sensation that someone pushing down on my chest. Struggling to breathe and coughing until I got sick

Have my test tomorrow morning in tallaght, i hope I am not waiting two weeks like others for results. Though I already know that I have it.

Right now the migraine is bad. I cannot sleep, when I lie down i feel like I will choke.

TomSweeney wrote: »

Jesus man !! get well soon !!

This is awful If its that bad definitely ring an ambulance. Wishing you the best of luck

JP Liz V1

speckle wrote: »

theballz if you are still reading this thread stop. Dial your out of hours doctor. If you cannot get through Diall 999 OR 112 and let them decide what what you need to do. In some case rapid decline happens. Ring now while you can talk. Ring even if you cant and follow the instructions.
NOW.

+ 100, ring 999 asap

nocoverart

TomSweeney wrote: »

Washing your shopping ?



There's paranoia and there's ****ing paranoia!

Some people say you should, some say you shouldn’t. That’s my point you numpty

JP Liz V1

This is it wrote: »

Return of 1000+ positive tests that were sent to Germany for processing. They were added to today's figures.

What's the ROI total figure of confirmed positive cases now?

MipMap

TomSweeney wrote: »

Washing your shopping ?
There's paranoia and there's ****ing paranoia!

Tom. Think. Anyone getting their shopping delivered is (if they follow the advice) in a high risk category. For Example a 70 year old with a heart condition has about 35 times more chance of dying from this than a healthy 25 year old. That's 35 times not 35% - 35 times.
That's why the Govt is so high on cocooning.


Also when you are stuck in 24/7 what else have you got to do?.
It might help to clean off your shopping. Can't hurt.

Hurrache

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I didn't see the briefing but why is George Lee and other journalists in trouble for asking the correct numbers waiting on tests and results, as weeks are going on the delays are longer and increasing, is our system fceked

I'm sure they're not in any trouble.

JP Liz V1

Hurrache wrote: »

I'm sure they're not in any trouble.

I mean alot of negative ****e aimed at them / talked about them for asking

George was getting bashed in previous thread

Maestro85

A curious read when looking back on the original thread that started this sequence. So many people joking and some rightly (as we now know) warning of what was to come. Just a random observation.

This is it

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

What's the ROI total figure of confirmed positive cases now?

It's in the title of the thread... Or you could check any number of sources like the HSE website, etc.

froog

not looking good in the US.

This is it

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I mean alot of negative ****e aimed at them / talked about them for asking

George was getting bashed in previous thread

The make up of the numbers were explained in the briefing but some there misheard or just didn't pick it up right and repeatedly asked questions over the differing numbers, I.e,. With and without the Germany processed positive cases. I don't think there was any need for the ridicule directed at them but journalists should be paying attention.

jobeenfitz

MipMap wrote: »

Tom. Think. Anyone getting their shopping delivered is (if they follow the advice) in a high risk category. For Example a 70 year old with a heart condition has about 35 times more chance of dying from this than a healthy 25 year old. That's 35 times not 35% - 35 times.
That's why the Govt is so high on cocooning.


Also when you are stuck in 24/7 what else have you got to do?.
It might help to clean off your shopping. Can't hurt.

If your gona worry about it just do it, even if if it's just for peace of mind. Wipe it down or remove outside packaging.

Christy42

froog wrote: »

not looking good in the US.

And that is pretty out of date without it having gotten better for the US

MipMap

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I mean alot of negative ****e aimed at them / talked about them for asking

George was getting bashed in previous thread

Actually what happened was that the numbers did not appear to add up.(won't go into the details cos it is all covered in the previous thread)


Problem was that Tony Holohan tried to explain it in about 50 sentences when only one would have done.
The Journos then lost track of what he was saying so he hit them with another monologue and confused them even more.
Thing is, If you watch CNN, or the BBC or (I guess any other news broadcaster elsewhere in the world) the only place you will find people obsessed with confirmed cases and testing is Ireland.
This is because the panel themselves have focused attention on these issues by every day issuing these statistics and that's what the Journos focus on.