Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

not nearly enough at this stage though

Do we agree that the number of cases are much higher than those that have been tested positive ?

And that they will continue to rise during this "current crisis" ?

I'm thinking that the percentage of the population with immunity will be quite significant by the time any "second wave" materialises.

Not having a go at you, but I think that the ideas of a "second wave" or a risk increasing "mutation" happening have become trendy and are being bandied about as a means of signalling some kind of "inside knowledge".

Also, the idea that just one inported case will spark everything off again is becoming populist too, obviously there will be plenty isolated cases within the resident community on an ongoing basis so a few imported cases will be less significant by comparison. Not "insignificant" but "less significant".

I'm not trying to belittle anyone, just attempting to navigate a middle road between abject fear and complacency.

BoatMad wrote: »

I was comparing Ireland’s figures to the US I’m not counting third world figures

The US like alot of countries are not counting all their deaths. Its just hospital based so comparing them is a waste of time.

rm212 wrote: »

May I ask what area you are located in that that happened in?

South Dub city center

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

That referred to the specific finger-prick 'at home' tests that they bought (which they had intended to use for 'immunity passports').

There are also lab-based antibody tests.

I think you need the read around the subject more

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-immunity-to-covid-19-really-means/%3famp=true

fritzelly wrote: »

South Dub city center

Thought it might have been my area. Donaghmede. We had exact same, music blaring on massive speakers, neighbours and kids in the garden and fireworks too. Stopped eventually so I think the guards came here too.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I love this stat

But isn't Ireland now closer to 4% mortality?

Only is you compare deaths to tests. How do you account for unreported or asymptomatic people who far exceed the tests.

derossi wrote: »

I made a comment on the last thread regarding a supermarket a member of my family runs and that there has been no staff off at this point at anytime with illness. That comment was only as a point towards negativetivity other than anything else. Up to today no member of staff is off sick. Could be a case there is no virus propagating in the area or there is and who knows. Just a point towards supermarkets and the threat of getting sick. There has to be some sense of realisim at some point where we decide what the future is. As we get out of this combined with testing and contact tracing and risk assessements we can decide how we open the country. My point was only that at this time, this specific supermarket is currently doing well as in all the staff are without Covid in an environment that we all fear it.

I do find this increasingly noteworthy - we've had loads of TFL deaths in the UK, bus driver deaths in America etc. But can't remember reading anything about supermarket workers even getting sick in notable numbers, never mind dying. It's weird, they're the busiest places at the moment.

Stheno wrote: »

Someone posted earlier this week that outside of covid9cases hospitals are very quiet and staff are being asked to take leave

I have a friend who was hospitalised , nothing To do with corona , he said he’s never been in a hospital so quiet , it was virtually empty he says

BanditLuke wrote: »

Let's be clear here, nobody is saying Cheltenham was ground zero for this virus but at the same time and i want to be very clear about this every single person who went to Cheltenham is a selfish pr1ck and it certainly didn't help our cause in stopping the spread.

I’ve a pain in my hole listening to people going on about Cheltenham this Cheltenham that. People travelled to this event when it was deemed safe to do so on both sides of the Irish Sea at the time.

The reality is that the whole spread of the virus in Western Europe took a turn for the worst in the middle of that week and with Cheltenham been the most high profile sporting event at the time it was the easy target to blame.

Were people travelling to premier league games or plane loads travelling to London for work etc the week before Cheltenham selfish pricks too ?

Cheltenham didn’t cause the spread of the virus in this country.

We had a chance to quell the spread of the virus around the 17-20th of March but we sat on our hands and hoped it wouldn’t hit us as hard as it has.

The tough decisions weren’t made - airports left open plane loads landed from Italy and other effected areas people carried on as normal.

2 weeks after Cheltenham we started the current lockdown restrictions but it was already too late as can be seen now with the increase in numbers.

Where we go now from here is anyone’s guess and how long it’s going to last we don’t know. It’s just a pity we couldn’t for once of had a strong leadership from someone to take a brave stance and step out and make a decision in time

Stheno wrote: »

We dont have unmitigated flu the 0.1 figure is those who die from it who catch it

Millions of people get flu vaccines each year

I think you need to calm down a little

Far too much misery mongering on here choosing the highest figures they can find to prove nothing

I've been nothing but civil.
Projection?

I concede there is a vaccine for the flu which would reduce its mortality. Unmitigated in terms of no lockdown of course is what i mean.

So vaccine plus unmitigated flu vs no vaccine plus unmitigated Coronavirus.
WHO conservatively estimates at least one order of magnitude difference in mortality

You're choosing the lowest figure (there could be several reasons for this. A more benign strain in Germany? who knows: If you insist on criticizing me quoting other countries, have you done a thorough analysis on the German figures: strain, reporting, etc etc).

Leaving aside the niceties of denominators, why are economies ground to a halt. Why are hospital systems paralysed (even with mitigation).

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Infectious diseases expert Dr Paddy Mallon tweeted: ‘Ferries are allowed to bring people from UK to Ireland for hols this weekend. UK are swamped with #COVID19 – we are in lockdown. Makes no sense.’ Cancer campaigner Vicky Phelan responded: ‘I don’t understand why our Government are allowing this to happen. They have introduced measures to stop Irish people travelling to holiday homes, which is the correct decision, yet they are still allowing people in from the UK. This is pure madness.’ She added: ‘This is not about deliveries coming in from the UK, in trucks which must continue to come in.

‘This is about holidaymakers coming in.’ Retired Department of Agriculture employee John O’Hea, from Ballincollig, Co. Cork, said parts of West Cork and Kerry had experienced a recent rise in the numbers of English cars travelling to holiday homes.

‘I worked for the department during the foot and mouth and the bird flu outbreaks, and all travel from outside the State from infected areas was stopped,’ he said.

‘I am absolutely gobsmacked to hear people are still arriving through ports and airports…I believe myself that if we don’t crack down on this immediately, the virus will never end.’ Poet and lecturer Colette Colfer shared her concerns on Twitter.

That's absolutely disgusting.
What we will see is the Irish people revolting and saying to hell with it, why should we be curtailed while the yellow regs can come freely in.
They should not be allowed off the ferries.