Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Martina1991 wrote: »

That still didnt say what platform they used for PCR!

If we're not using the same instrumentation then their study isn't relevant to us.

It may well be relevant if the false negatives were due to faulty swab-taking or, as the article says, 'insufficient viral material in the specimen, laboratory error during sampling, or restrictions on sample transportation'.

easypazz wrote: »

The issue in Italy is it is spreading north to south.

There would be a similar fear here, Dublin might become an epicentre then 3 weeks later other, less populated, regions take up the slack.

Italy is improving all the time on this metric.

Deaths/Resolved 19,468/52002 =37.44%, eight day's improvement, was stuck around 45% since ~10th March.

BoatMad wrote: »

We don’t know what levels until we process a lot of data , but there are worrying signs that many people have little or no antibody response to COVID

And yet when towns have done antibody testing they have found large percentages of people with antibodies who claim to have been asymptomatic.......

DevilsHaircut wrote:

What platform are we using?

Different hospitals are using different analysers.
Altona
Seegene
Abbott
...Roche, Beckman whatever. Theres a lot of companies out there whos assays will vary in performance.

iguana wrote: »

And yet when towns have done antibody testing they have found large percentages of people with antibodies who claim to have been asymptomatic.......

There is a significant difference between antibodies yielding a positive test result, and antibodies present having sufficient potency and lifespan to offer protection from reinfection.

Stheno wrote: »

You are basing those figures on confirmed cases and deaths

The confirmed cases number is not accurate as yet

Well strictly speaking the World Health Organisation is doing the basing, the OP didn’t base any figures on anything. They are simply giving WHO evidence.

BoatMad wrote: »

These countries have very limited infrastructure , so a small surge in deaths overwhelms them. Doesn’t make the number unreliable because of that head line

Of course it makes them unbelievable. They had videos on the BBC last night. There are bodies lying everywhere....on the streets, footpaths, park benches. You're trying to suggest you believe those numbers...300 odd dead in the entire country?

Stheno wrote: »

Dont know, but until the true rate of infection is known we will not know how deadly covid19 is

Unmitigated flu vs unmitigated coronavirus.
Unmitigated coronavirus paralyses hospital systems which is as good as any marker for how many deaths this illness causes.
Unmitigated seasonal flu doesn't do this.

People here are obsessed with the denominator.
Why is this so material when the result is an overwhelmed hospital system and huge numbers dying (unmitigated).

The denominator might mean some difference in mortality rate but it does not bring it anywhere near flu. To do so, you would have to a huge difference in the denominators for these disease. Where is the evidence that say literally everyone in Ireland is infected with Coronavirus (whisch is the only way these two denominators would be comparable).

Do these people at least agree the absolute number of deaths for unmitigated flu is less than a completed unmitigated Coronavirus epidemic.

fullstop wrote: »

Of course it makes them unbelievable. They had videos on the BBC last night. There are bodies lying everywhere....on the streets, footpaths, park benches. You're trying to suggest you believe those numbers...300 odd dead in the entire country?

I was comparing Ireland’s figures to the US I’m not counting third world figures

BoatMad wrote: »

Current antibody testing simply isn’t reliable enough

“ However, the U.K.’s health secretary, Matt Hancock, told the BBC that the antibody blood tests currently available for mass screening do not meet the government’s accuracy standards and would not be relied upon as the country aims to test 100,000 people daily by the end of the month.“

That referred to the specific finger-prick 'at home' tests that they bought (which they had intended to use for 'immunity passports').

There are also lab-based antibody tests.

MipMap wrote: »

Tigers in New York Zoo apparently caught it.
There is a lot of talk about aerosol infection.
Sh1te about the BGC injection
ZINC?


I'm not saying any of this is true or false the point is "WE DON'T KNOW".
I certainly don't.


Many years ago all the experts told us there was no evidence to link cigarette smoking with cancer.



How long did it take the experts to agree that global warming existed?


This virus is less than 6 months old. They know very little about it.

Dude, you are talking absolute nonsense. Also, saying ZINC? and not explaining what you mean shows how scientifically inaccurate you are.

Firstly, yes, there were cases of human to tiger transmission. But there is still no evidence of cat to human transmission. Also, dogs have not caught Covid-19 so far. Also, aerosol infection literally means virus spores being in the air. Again, you didn't argue the point of that being from people not observing coughing/sneezing etiquette.

We do have an extremely good idea. Your points about smoking (which was proved in the 1950s) and about global warming (also pretty much proved in the 1990s) are nothing to do with our current level of scientific knowledge. If you don't know how science works shut the fcuk up.

Jeff2 wrote: »

Street party still going strong where I live.

Was a party or something going on near me earlier - loud music, fireworks
Garda helicopter came by and was hovering overhead - it went very quiet shortly after

fritzelly wrote: »

Was a party or something going on near me earlier - loud music, fireworks
Garda helicopter came by and was hovering overhead - it went very quiet shortly after

May I ask what area you are located in that that happened in?