CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

owlbethere wrote: »

That was Boris Johnson's herd immunity approach on this ☹️.

I think Leo and FG were going to take a similar path to the UK of herd immunity because there was no action whatsoever from our government until about the 9th or 10th of March. Thankfully we got somewhat lucky and our government began to listen to the professionals speaking out about this and began to implement measures to slow this down.

To be fair to them, the govs terrible early response was most likely due to ignorance rather than laissez faire cold heartededness.

As soon as they had that come to Jesus moment, they have put public health first.

The WHO is to blame!!!!

Seems like President Trump and his willing media allies Fox/Sky News around the world are holding the WHO up as the scapegoat for America's misery, at least in as much as it pertains to this virus.

Several news reports and opinion peaces that show how the president is keen to deflect attention away from his own pathetic shortcomings and blame "the foreigners" for America's misfortune.

RTE is reporting that Trump wants to cut US funding for WHO because of the virus, and Fox News in Austalia has already waded in with an opinion piece in support of the Trumpian line.
Elsewhere, Fox opinion spouters like Judge Jeannine Pirro are describing Trump as a "War leader" and absolutely the best man to have in the front line at this time.

There's no doubt that lines are being spun for our consumption by those sections of the media who are in Trump's pocket.

If you've never heard of the World Health Organisation (WHO) before now, you're going to hear a lot about them soon.

It's all their fault, you know :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Was this posted earlier. Interesting article on El Pais and plan to do some random testing to gauge level of infiltration of the virus in to the community.

They reckon 40% of people in Madrid could already have been infected so well on the way to herd immunity already. Again means the fatality rate would be a lot lower and we possibly further on thru this than initially thought.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html

jackboy wrote: »

Why didn’t you call the guards on the grannies?

Wrong thread :rolleyes:

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Can only speak for my own area when I say I've not seen any of that. People are out for shopping etc and they're walk, haven't seen house visits or anything like that.

Firstly those over 70 shouldn't be out, so were the grandparents over 70 ? If they aren't then theres nothing wrong with standing outside someones house once your observing the social distancing

While I didn't obviously ask for ID they did both appear to be over 70. And no they shouldn't be there, even observing social distancing or not, no matter what age they are. The rules are clear - no social gatherings of any size. Delivering Easter eggs for the kiddies is not sufficient reason, but I fully expect a lot of people to think they are the exception over Easter now and a full blown crisis of our own making in two weeks.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Wrong thread :rolleyes:



While I didn't obviously ask for ID they did both appear to be over 70. And no they shouldn't be there, even observing social distancing or not, no matter what age they are. The rules are clear - no social gatherings of any size. Delivering Easter eggs for the kiddies is not sufficient reason, but I fully expect a lot of people to think they are the exception over Easter now and a full blown crisis of our own making in two weeks.

I agree its a fudging of rules but what the hell can go wrong if a granny leaves a bag of easter eggs at their grandchild doors and says something to the window of a house?

Seriously, how can this result in a full blown crisis?

gabeeg wrote: »

Holohan was asleep at the wheel. His advice on everything from general public risk , to travel, to sporting events, to Paddy's day, to nursing homes was just completely and utterly wrong. There were many here in the early days who seemingly knew far more about this than him and his cronies.

Granted it was similar in many, many countries - but that's not really a good excuse. He didn't do his job.

None of the armchair scientists/medical people here knew anything before anyone else, only guessing.

Some decisions were bad, some good, hindsight is great when you are saying people made the wrong decisions.

It's a novel corona virus, no one knew.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Cummings has been widely quoted as saying that if a proportion of old people need to die than so be it.

It was only when the imperial college study came out that said a quarter of a million could die if they held the policy that the policy was changed.

Sorry I wasn't clearer. I was talking about our own gov.

Cummings is a little freak. He shouldn't be anywhere near power.

Snickers Man wrote: »

The WHO is to blame!!!!

Seems like President Trump and his willing media allies Fox/Sky News around the world are holding the WHO up as the scapegoat for America's misery, at least in as much as it pertains to this virus.

Several news reports and opinion peaces that show how the president is keen to deflect attention away from his own pathetic shortcomings and blame "the foreigners" for America's misfortune.

RTE is reporting that Trump wants to cut US funding for WHO because of the virus, and Fox News in Austalia has already waded in with an opinion piece in support of the Trumpian line.
Elsewhere, Fox opinion spouters like Judge Jeannine Pirro are describing Trump as a "War leader" and absolutely the best man to have in the front line at this time.

There's no doubt that lines are being spun for our consumption by those sections of the media who are in Trump's pocket.

If you've never heard of the World Health Organisation (WHO) before now, you're going to hear a lot about them soon.

It's all their fault, you know :rolleyes::rolleyes:

You can expect at least one outrageous statement from the Orange Fool at each of his nightly comedy gigs.

All designed to deflect attention away from his own disastrous response to the pandemic.

He appears to be rowing back on his threat to the WHO now.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Wrong thread :rolleyes:



While I didn't obviously ask for ID they did both appear to be over 70. And no they shouldn't be there, even observing social distancing or not, no matter what age they are. The rules are clear - no social gatherings of any size. Delivering Easter eggs for the kiddies is not sufficient reason, but I fully expect a lot of people to think they are the exception over Easter now and a full blown crisis of our own making in two weeks.

The whole easter thing was covered earlier by the gardai, if your stopped at a checkpoint you'll be turned back simple as.

I've no issue if someone is walking past a house for example , leaves something at the end of a garden and the person in the house comes out to get it after. Theres no social interaction within distance to pick anything up.

We're going to get 2 more weeks of restrictions and it's up to everyone to have enough cop on to observe the current guidelines.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yes I understand that, my point is for example if they live local and are walking within the 2k then they can stop outside. Theres nothing to stop someone who's out walking being at the other end of someones garden

At what point does it become unacceptable though, that's the problem - everyone seems to have their own interpretation of a pretty straightforward statement/request. Because of this we then end up with parks and beaches full of people because they are "social distancing" - in their own view. We have moved on from social distancing, we are now supposed to isolate households, and for the mostpart - stay home. The gardai held off on the additional powers for as long as they could, they now need them because of so many people deciding that the rules aren't there for them - just others.

We just need to do another week or two of just staying away from people we don't live with, it will make a huge difference to restrictions being lifted sooner.

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Social visits aren't encouraged in any form though as per latest guidelines, people are only supposed to leave their house for - emergencies, shopping for essentials, exercise, and caring for people who are cocooned/need assistance.

Calling round for a chat is not one of these things...

100 %. If no need to go, DONT..... key word NEED... NECESSITY.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Lol, you actually think people are keeping a necessary distance? While what I saw out is obviously anecdotal - there wasn't much social distancing going on. We were told no unnecessary journeys. Easter egg deliveries are not necessary, yet lots seem to think they are the exception.

We will have a full blown crisis if what I saw is typical across the country. And I don't live anywhere special.

Happening everywhere people having visitors about etc. see it every day here.

Looks like crap happening again up the street

Snickers Man wrote: »

The WHO is to blame!!!!

Won't get fooled again...