Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Gavlor · 06-04-2020 08:41AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The plaintive and blatant lies ye folk expect to get away with. Just pathetic. Here she is saying she was withdrawing because she had symptoms. 26th March.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/republicofirelandnews/2020/03/26/news/sinn-fein-leader-mary-lou-mcdonald-feeling-unwell-1880405/

The fact that none of her party colleagues are deemed capable enough to take her place in the media speaks volumes. The worst crisis to hit this country since 1938 and the second biggest party have gone completely underground. It doesn’t inspire confidence.

Edgware · 06-04-2020 08:46AM

Runaways wrote: »

I went with SD too and same as yourself. Can’t figure out what they’re about currently.

Led by a couple of whingers, one of whom was in a Ministerial position but couldnt hack it.
Now their best policy is sit on their arses and criticise others who are doing their best

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 09:25AM

Gavlor wrote: »

The fact that none of her party colleagues are deemed capable enough to take her place in the media speaks volumes. The worst crisis to hit this country since 1938 and the second biggest party have gone completely underground. It doesn’t inspire confidence.

Seriously funny. That really is.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 09:28AM

tikkahunter wrote: »

Ah now francie she posted the videos herself at the time , her kids go to Scoil Cathriana where the first case was , she was the only parent to self isolate at the time , he new one is for a head cold

Didn't have a clue what you were on about.

How is a TD's 'wife' going back to work comaprable to the Taoiseach doing ONE shift a week?

Like seriously, arranging for the Taoiseach to do that shift will take up more time for HSE people than it will add.

Runaways · 06-04-2020 09:31AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Well that means some people, a very few, will get seen that bit quicker - or maybe it helps free up another doctor to go work somewhere closer to where the clinical needs relating to Covid-19 infections are greater, it's no bad thing.

Somehow, I reckon if Leo came out said "f&ck it, I'm off" and grabbed some scrubs and started doing 96 hour weeks in an ED, the same people criticsing him for doing this would be criticising him for abandoning his role as Taoiseach.

https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/1247042027113586688?s=20

Have to agree there. He’d get nothing but crap no matter what he does. Comes with the role I guess but he’s more despised within his own party In grass roots than without. That’s saying something.
Personally just nothing is sincere about the man for my view. It’s all optics and photo ops. That just isn’t leadership. And he’s a bit of a cvnt in person by most accounts but that gets you to the top in this world.

Runaways · 06-04-2020 09:32AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So, just to be clear, Varadkar re-registering as a doctor to do some assessments = PR stunt

Doherty taking to Facebook to highlight his wife's return to nursing (fair play to her, btw) = Not a PR stunt.

Is that about right?

I personally didn’t see that tbh.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 09:32AM

markodaly wrote: »

They were fighting for a UI, something that they didn't achieve. So, all those dead were for nothing.

Says who? The fight went on after the conflict...it is still on. Why even the Taoiseach s now talking about it. The party fighting for it most is the most popular in the land.

SF vote share in the North has been dropping for quite a few years now. I guess they are becoming too like FF and FG :pac::eek:

Yes, the slings and arrows of political fortune...still quite a gulf to the contender though, would you not say Mark?

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 09:34AM

Gavlor wrote: »

The fact that none of her party colleagues are deemed capable enough to take her place in the media speaks volumes. The worst crisis to hit this country since 1938 and the second biggest party have gone completely underground. It doesn’t inspire confidence.

I don't think that's how it works in SF - they don't need to replace her or have a stand-in because she's not really in charge.

She signed a statement stating that “in all matters pertaining to the duties and functions of an elected representative, I will be guided by and hold myself amenable to all directions and instructions issued to me by An Ard Chomhairle of Sinn Féin”.

All the elected reps did - so the ard comhairle, not McDonald run the show, and unless the entire ard comhairle is out of commission then no replacement is required.

ThunbergsAreGo · 06-04-2020 09:35AM

Runaways wrote: »

I went with SD too and same as yourself. Can’t figure out what they’re about currently.

Its a shame their local candidate is decent and is involved at a local level but honestly what is the point of them

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 09:38AM

Runaways wrote: »

I personally didn’t see that tbh.

So is it a PR stunt?

Doherty didn't have to publish details on his FB account, the press didn't door-step him - he proactively published it.

If, as you say, Varadkar's re-registering as a doctor is a PR stunt - is this not in the same category?

Runaways · 06-04-2020 09:39AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Its a shame their local candidate is decent and is involved at a local level but honestly what is the point of them

Yeah my local one is Gary Gannon and he’s genuinely good feet on the ground in the area and always can be contacted and responds promptly. I hope they grow but right now I don’t get it.

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 09:43AM

Runaways wrote: »

Have to agree there. He’d get nothing but crap no matter what he does. Comes with the role I guess but he’s more despised within his own party In grass roots than without. That’s saying something.
Personally just nothing is sincere about the man for my view. It’s all optics and photo ops. That just isn’t leadership. And he’s a bit of a cvnt in person by most accounts but that gets you to the top in this world.

So you accept second/third hand information about someone and decide that's their character?

Maybe it's time to step outside the echo-chamber.

And for the record, as much as despise McDonald, Doherty et al for what and who they support, I don't doubt for a minute that they are decent people, good parents and supportive spouses - whatever deep and fundamental political differences may exist, I'm not sure referring to someone as you have is warranted, especially in the absence of any firsthand experience of them.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 09:45AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

I don't think that's how it works in SF - they don't need to replace her or have a stand-in because she's not really in charge.

She signed a statement stating that “in all matters pertaining to the duties and functions of an elected representative, I will be guided by and hold myself amenable to all directions and instructions issued to me by An Ard Chomhairle of Sinn Féin”.

All the elected reps did - so the ard comhairle, not McDonald run the show, and unless the entire ard comhairle is out of commission then no replacement is required.

Did you guys not embarrass yourself enough with that one before the election.
Didn't somebody show that FF and others take the exact same type of pledge?

Isn't O'Cuiv threatening to use the Ard COmhairle to overrule the front bench?

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 09:49AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So is it a PR stunt?

Doherty didn't have to publish details on his FB account, the press didn't door-step him - he proactively published it.

If, as you say, Varadkar's re-registering as a doctor is a PR stunt - is this not in the same category?

Somebody posting about his wife on FB is equivalent to the major story this was?? You are having a laugh here?

:D:D

Gavlor · 06-04-2020 09:53AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seriously funny. That really is.

Have they all got the virus?

David cullinane has been muted since his little post election sing song.

P. Doherty has been very quiet and the majority of the remainder are failed county councillors so I’d expect nothing else!

Gavlor · 06-04-2020 09:55AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

I don't think that's how it works in SF - they don't need to replace her or have a stand-in because she's not really in charge.

She signed a statement stating that “in all matters pertaining to the duties and functions of an elected representative, I will be guided by and hold myself amenable to all directions and instructions issued to me by An Ard Chomhairle of Sinn Féin”.

All the elected reps did - so the ard comhairle, not McDonald run the show, and unless the entire ard comhairle is out of commission then no replacement is required.

They still require a media facing figure of authority.

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 09:56AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Somebody posting about his wife on FB is equivalent to the major story this was?? You are having a laugh here?
:D:D

Ok, it didn't make the Irish Times but it still got coverage in the national press....

Still unclear how Varadkar re-registering is a PR stunt, but Doherty taking to FB to express his deserved admiration for his spouse isn't?

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 10:04AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Ok, it didn't make the Irish Times but it still got coverage in the national press....

Still unclear how Varadkar re-registering is a PR stunt, but Doherty taking to FB to express his deserved admiration for his spouse isn't?

Eh.....Leo is a known PR addict...has been pilloried many times before for frivolous and vanity led stunts? Has had to be stopped from wasting millions on it?

The other guy posted on FB and it was picked up by a couple of newspapers that his wife was going back into a 'full time' role.

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 10:07AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Eh.....Leo is a known PR addict...has been pilloried many times before for frivolous and vanity led stunts? Has had to be stopped from wasting millions on it?

The other guy posted on FB and it was picked up by a couple of newspapers that his wife was going back into a 'full time' role.

Not answering the question though, is it?

Is Doherty engaging in a bit of PR-stuntery himself?

And as for your statement "Leo is a known PR addict" - is he? As you would hold others to a certain standard, perhaps you'll not be duplicitous now and be good enough to post a source for that statement?

Or is the evidence for his addiction filed with the evidence for Adams' non-membership of the IRA?

Rows Grower · 06-04-2020 10:09AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Eh.....Leo is a known PR addict...has been pilloried many times before for frivolous and vanity led stunts? Has had to be stopped from wasting millions on it?

The other guy posted on FB and it was picked up by a couple of newspapers that his wife was going back into a 'full time' role.

Ridiculous that anyone could think the two matters are comparable.

Leo is addicted to seeing himself in the papers.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 10:15AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Not answering the question though, is it?

Is Doherty engaging in a bit of PR-stuntery himself?

And as for your statement "Leo is a known PR addict" - is he? As you would hold others to a certain standard, perhaps you'll not be duplicitous now and be good enough to post a source for that statement?

Or is the evidence for his addiction filed with the evidence for Adams' non-membership of the IRA?

Do you guys think that everything that happened before the Covid crisis has been wiped from memory or the record? Even the 'newspaper of record' was in on the joke...the joke that highlighted how vain the man was/is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-s-department-of-spin-will-cost-5-million-in-2018-1.3251242?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ftaoiseach-s-department-of-spin-will-cost-5-million-in-2018-1.3251242

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 10:23AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do you guys think that everything that happened before the Covid crisis has been wiped from memory or the record? Even the 'newspaper of record' was in on the joke...the joke that highlighted how vain the man was/is.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-s-department-of-spin-will-cost-5-million-in-2018-1.3251242?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ftaoiseach-s-department-of-spin-will-cost-5-million-in-2018-1.3251242

We've had one poster refer to him in very derogatory and personal terms and now more dog-wihstling about addiction.

All without any evidence?

Also wasn't the SCU disbanded?

Strategic Communications Unit to be closed down by July

Anyway, bash away with the deflection.....I'm guessing the other concepts of "ignore" and "distract" will be along directly.

ThunbergsAreGo · 06-04-2020 10:24AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Not answering the question though, is it?

Is Doherty engaging in a bit of PR-stuntery himself?

And as for your statement "Leo is a known PR addict" - is he? As you would hold others to a certain standard, perhaps you'll not be duplicitous now and be good enough to post a source for that statement?

Or is the evidence for his addiction filed with the evidence for Adams' non-membership of the IRA?

Does it matter, both should be commended

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 10:26AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

And as for your statement "Leo is a known PR addict" - is he?

A few others who 'know'.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/gene-kerrigan-wanted-a-taoiseach-grown-ups-can-trust-38079996.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/varadkar-s-spin-strategy-undermines-his-leadership-1.3421174?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fvaradkar-s-spin-strategy-undermines-his-leadership-1.3421174

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/leo-varadkar-general-election-finegael-21331584

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/no-matter-how-you-spin-it-leo-made-a-huge-blunder-37550451.html

Even THE SUN was writing about it ffs!

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2017368/leo-varadkars-addiction-to-spin-and-his-strategic-communications-unit-is-causing-more-harm-than-its-worth/

tikkahunter · 06-04-2020 10:30AM

Runaways wrote: »

Yeah my local one is Gary Gannon and he’s genuinely good feet on the ground in the area and always can be contacted and responds promptly. I hope they grow but right now I don’t get it.

Gave them one and two as well , they where the only ones who actually had the answers for me when I talked to them at the door and seemed interested in the few issues I had concerns about but looks like that was a waste now. Didn’t realise my constituency went up as far as stoney batter .

blanch152 · 06-04-2020 10:33AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Ok, it didn't make the Irish Times but it still got coverage in the national press....

Still unclear how Varadkar re-registering is a PR stunt, but Doherty taking to FB to express his deserved admiration for his spouse isn't?

It is the difference between being a good Republican and not being a good Republican. That is known.

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 10:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A few others who 'know'.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/gene-kerrigan-wanted-a-taoiseach-grown-ups-can-trust-38079996.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/varadkar-s-spin-strategy-undermines-his-leadership-1.3421174?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fvaradkar-s-spin-strategy-undermines-his-leadership-1.3421174

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/leo-varadkar-general-election-finegael-21331584

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/no-matter-how-you-spin-it-leo-made-a-huge-blunder-37550451.html

Even THE SUN was writing about it ffs!

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2017368/leo-varadkars-addiction-to-spin-and-his-strategic-communications-unit-is-causing-more-harm-than-its-worth/

Eh, aren't they just comment and opinion pieces? Not exactly evidence of anything except that some people have an opinion.

Interesting thoough that as regards Doherty, you are dismissive of the Sun and the Mirror but if it's somehow critical of Varadkar then it's like Moses has brough them down from Mount Sinai

:D:D

Likewise, I'm guessing you think John Drennan in the Sun is proof, but equally when he wrote this (also in the Sun).....

.....they [SF] are absent without leave from Westminster, absent without leave from the Assembly and simply absent without leave wherever a hard decision must be taken.

Sinn Fein, of course, claim that there are specific factors behind each case of serial absenteeism. But it is equally true to say that never in the history of democracy has a party won so many seats to so little purpose.

They talk the talk very loudly about change, but, when it comes to taking on responsibility, this party is a shiver bereft of a spine.

.....talk about an ala carte approach to picking your supporting authorities

:D:D

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 10:38AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Does it matter, both should be commended

Should it though?

A Nurses Rep is on the national Broadcaster calling on the government to bring in changes to help them actually do their jobs during this.

Would it not fit the Taoseach better to roll up his sleeves and get that done? Make working at max capacity more efficient for ALL nurses across the country or do a stint on the phones?

Priorities Leo.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2020 10:42AM

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Eh, aren't they just comment and opinion pieces? Not exactly evidence of anything except that some people have an opinion.

Interesting thoough that as regards Doherty, you are dismissive of the Sun and the Mirror but if it's somehow critical of Varadkar then it's like Moses has brough them down from Mount Sinai :D:D

Likewise, I'm guessing you think John Drennan in the Sun is proof, but equally when he wrote this (also in the Sun).....

.....talk about an ala carte approach to picking your supporting authorities :D:D

You asked for evidence of the fact that Leo 'IS KNOWN' as a Spin and PR addict. You got it.

Right across the spectrum of the media, people have written about his penchant for it..as distinct from any previous Taoiseach.

Of course you will now ignore it and deflect to Gurry in the RA and other stuff. No surprise there.

Sultan_of_Ping · 06-04-2020 10:48AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You asked for evidence of the fact that Leo 'IS KNOWN' as a Spin and PR addict. You got it.

Right across the spectrum of the media, people have written about his penchant for it..as distinct from any previous Taoiseach.

Of course you will now ignore it and deflect to Gurry in the RA and other stuff. No surprise there.

Really? Re-wrting history now are we - you didn't post that Varadkar is "known as" a spin and PR addict.....you posted

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Eh.....Leo is a known PR addict....

[snipped]

You said he was an addict, not that people had an opinion that he was an addict.

Of course the irony that spin is now being used to get out of what you said/posted is not lost

:D:D

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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