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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #2162
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    blanch152 wrote: »
    FG going it solo? All 35 of them, on their own forming a government?

    The failure of Sinn Fein to even negotiate a bare minimum arrangement with even one party is stark.
    IIRC they did negotiate well with other parties, just not FFG.


  • #2163
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,996 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Runaways wrote: »
    Then why have FG adopted half of them?

    Talking about this crisis and other elements of policy

    Half of what?

    Give examples, with links, because you are just making rubbish up.


  • #2164
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,996 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Suckit wrote: »
    IIRC they did negotiate well with other parties, just not FFG.

    Eh no, they started to talk with other parties, but it went nowhere, absolutely nowhere.


  • #2165
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    FG going it solo? All 35 of them, on their own forming a government?

    The failure of Sinn Fein to even negotiate a bare minimum arrangement with even one party is stark.

    I will point out to you cos your so rabidly myopic when it comes to this that FG and FF have also utterly failed to form a government. With anyone. Labours refusal to deal with them was scathing but accurate. The green refused in their usual limp wristed tree hugger nonsense.
    Why might that be do you think?
    But you know this. And of course refuse to even acknowledge it.


  • #2166
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    blanch152 wrote: »
    For a start, where did those tweets of Pearse Doherty with Syriza ever go? They got deleted, just like a scene from an Orwell novel.
    Like the tweets that can't be mentioned here, or the finner bots get them removed... Funny that.


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  • #2167
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Half of what?

    Give examples, with links, because you are just making rubbish up.

    Oh Jesus you’re so tiresome

    Rent freezes. Ban on evictions. Flat pay rate for anyone lot their jobs. Healthcare that doesn’t discriminate.

    The rent freeze being the weirdest one.

    Fg only said weeks ago it was unconstitutional ffs

    And voila. Stroke of a pen it’s done.

    All SF policies before this crisis even


  • #2168
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Suckit wrote: »
    Like the tweets that can't be mentioned here, or the finner bots get them removed... Funny that.

    Which ones?


  • #2169
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,996 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Runaways wrote: »
    Oh Jesus you’re so tiresome

    Rent freezes. Ban on evictions. Flat pay rate for anyone lot their jobs. Healthcare that doesn’t discriminate.

    The rent freeze being the weirdest one.

    Fg only said weeks ago it was unconstitutional ffs

    And voila. Stroke of a pen it’s done.

    All SF policies before this crisis even

    Yes, they have implemented them, and they have cost 20 billion, and the country is bankrupt, exactly what everyone said would happen if we followed Sinn Fein policy. Most of them will be reversed once this crisis is over.

    As the old saying makes clear, socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money to spend, we are learning that this year.


  • #2170
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,256 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Runaways wrote: »
    That’s bringing up an interesting point. Tangent. FFs base are far older and dying out. I wouldn’t call their base outright conservative they got behind marriage equality in good numbers. Think the 65+ bracket nationwide was one of the biggest yes votes in that one across the spectrum.

    Interesting times ahead for them they’re going to have to become attractive to younger voters soon cos us middle aged remember what they did with the economy and as mane said, SF are stealing their vote in a big way.

    I think that too simplistic. Fianna Fáil performed strong in the over 45s. Sinn Fein were most popular with younger voters. They outperformed ff in the 35-45 year old category too but not as big a gap.

    Your premise doesn’t take into account how Fianna Fáil will change. It is clear that Brexit wasn’t as important to voters as they thought but that could be because of over exposure. As Brexit starts it may become more important which could change votes.

    It is clear that issues beat historic voting. Younger supporters may change the importance of issues if they see their pay packets decrease with Sinn Féin’s taxation policies.

    Ff definitely sat on their laurels but could change.


  • #2171
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Runaways wrote: »
    Which ones?

    :rolleyes:

    errmmm..

    Twitter accounts going since 2011 have been suspended for posting nothing but facts, that FG didn't like.


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  • #2172
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Yes, they have implemented them, and they have cost 20 billion, and the country is bankrupt, exactly what everyone said would happen if we followed Sinn Fein policy. Most of them will be reversed once this crisis is over.

    As the old saying makes clear, socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money to spend, we are learning that this year.

    The country is bankrupt ?

    Your going to have to back that up blanch seeing as how you’re so fond of demanding links and seem unable to use google before you post.


  • #2173
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Yes, they have implemented them, and they have cost 20 billion, and the country is bankrupt, exactly what everyone said would happen if we followed Sinn Fein policy. Most of them will be reversed once this crisis is over.

    As the old saying makes clear, socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money to spend, we are learning that this year.

    So the measures have cost 20 billion and the country is bankrupt? Any official link to back up your usual BS?


  • #2174
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Suckit wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    errmmm..

    Twitter accounts going since 2011 have been suspended for posting nothing but facts, that FG didn't like.

    Wasn’t aware of that but it wouldn’t surprise me. And with them hiring bot farms to signal boost every single one of their tweets it makes sense.

    Hadn’t heard of the ones you mentioned though. Odd.

    Thats almost dictatorial.

    Blueshirts to their bones.


  • #2175
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So the measures have cost 20 billion and the country is bankrupt? Any official link to back up your usual BS?

    Only link I can find is HSE budget is 17/18 billion this year and we’ve spent an extra 3 billion on this crisis.

    Blanch. As always. Talking absolute misleading hysterical nonsense


  • #2176
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,256 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Runaways wrote: »
    Oh Jesus you’re so tiresome

    Rent freezes. Ban on evictions. Flat pay rate for anyone lot their jobs. Healthcare that doesn’t discriminate.

    The rent freeze being the weirdest one.

    Fg only said weeks ago it was unconstitutional ffs

    And voila. Stroke of a pen it’s done.

    All SF policies before this crisis even

    I think I posted on the rent freeze and ban of evictions. The emergency legislation is not the same as the previous proposed bill. Firstly the bill was prior to pandemic and was for 3 years. It was unconstitutional as it was an infringement on free market with no common good. It would have created a situation where renters could stop paying rent in the knowledge that they couldn’t be evicted. There was no reason to do so, especially with then4% increase in place. Also it has been shown in many jurisdictions that it doesn’t work. If rent was defaulted, banks would reposess houses and lead to automatic eviction.

    What was brought in is a rolling 3 month and it is for the common good because of the current situation and people loosing jobs in large numbers. To say that it was a uturn is not a true description.


  • #2177
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,996 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Runaways wrote: »
    Only link I can find is HSE budget is 17/18 billion this year and we’ve spent an extra 3 billion on this crisis.

    Blanch. As always. Talking absolute misleading hysterical nonsense


    3 billion on this crisis? We will be lucky not to spend 10 times that by the time it s finished.


  • #2178
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I think I posted on the rent freeze and ban of evictions. The emergency legislation is not the same as the previous proposed bill. Firstly the bill was prior to pandemic and was for 3 years. It was unconstitutional as it was an infringement on free market with no common good. It would have created a situation where renters could stop paying rent in the knowledge that they couldn’t be evicted. There was no reason to do so, especially with then4% increase in place. Also it has been shown in many jurisdictions that it doesn’t work. If rent was defaulted, banks would reposess houses and lead to automatic eviction.

    What was brought in is a rolling 3 month and it is for the common good because of the current situation and people loosing jobs in large numbers. To say that it was a uturn is not a true description.

    Let’s be fair and get back to before this when they were asked to implement a rent freeze.

    It wasn’t for the common good according to them and going by the constitution so they said no.

    Rents skyrocketing constantly and nobody able to afford them..so how is it that not against the common good?

    Berlin of all places introduced rent freezes.
    And bizarrely it would have been a badly needed and massive boost for FGs standing with the public had they done it.

    But they didn’t. So why? And who’s really benefitting? I’ll tell you. The multiple property owning landlord class that FG depend on. And that’s a minority compared to the numbers renting obviously but how politically stupid or just arrogant do you have to be to be cosying up to the few and not the many?

    I know that’s more FFs game but still


  • #2179
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    3 billion on this crisis? We will be lucky not to spend 10 times that by the time it s finished.

    You said we were bankrupt already so it’s all the one.

    Still waiting on a link to verify your claim


  • #2180
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Runaways wrote: »
    Only link I can find is HSE budget is 17/18 billion this year and we’ve spent an extra 3 billion on this crisis.

    Blanch. As always. Talking absolute misleading hysterical nonsense

    Funny Blanch has described himself/herself as a Green supporter yet a recent thread asking what next for the Greens guess who is missing in the comments. I described the poster in question as one of the most disingenuous posters on Boards. I don't think I was exaggerating.


  • #2181
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Funny Blanch has described himself/herself as a Green supporter yet a recent thread asking what next for the Greens guess who is missing in the comments. I described the poster in question as one of the most disingenuous posters on Boards. I don't think I was exaggerating.

    Anyone with eyes can see that.
    The absolute obsession with replying to posts that mention Sinn Fein wherever they’re may be, is enough though.
    Still convinced the myth is true. If you stand in front of a mirror at midnight and say Sinn Fein, three times, blanch will appear behind you and start ranting :)


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  • #2182
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,996 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Funny Blanch has described himself/herself as a Green supporter yet a recent thread asking what next for the Greens guess who is missing in the comments. I described the poster in question as one of the most disingenuous posters on Boards. I don't think I was exaggerating.

    That thread is a disaster and I am avoiding it, as for the rest, post whatever personal attack you like.


    Runaways wrote: »
    Anyone with eyes can see that.
    The absolute obsession with replying to posts that mention Sinn Fein wherever they’re may be, is enough though.
    Still convinced the myth is true. If you stand in front of a mirror at midnight and say Sinn Fein, three times, blanch will appear behind you and start ranting :)


    I think yourself and at least another poster post much more frequently on Sinn Fein threads than I do, but then what do you care for facts?


  • #2183
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That thread is a disaster and I am avoiding it, as for the rest, post whatever personal attack you like.






    I think yourself and at least another poster post much more frequently on Sinn Fein threads than I do, but then what do you care for facts?

    Your old account was more entertaining, although I find 'debunked' missing from your lexicon disappointing.


  • #2184
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That thread is a disaster and I am avoiding it, as for the rest, post whatever personal attack you like.






    I think yourself and at least another poster post much more frequently on Sinn Fein threads than I do, but then what do you care for facts?



    You’re consistent and committed and I can respect that much even if we don’t agree.


  • #2185
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Runaways wrote: »
    You’re consistent and committed and I can respect that much even if we don’t agree.

    How can you respect someone who is a confirmed liar? Serious question.


  • #2186
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,256 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Runaways wrote: »
    Let’s be fair and get back to before this when they were asked to implement a rent freeze.

    It wasn’t for the common good according to them and going by the constitution so they said no.

    Rents skyrocketing constantly and nobody able to afford them..so how is it that not against the common good?

    Berlin of all places introduced rent freezes.
    And bizarrely it would have been a badly needed and massive boost for FGs standing with the public had they done it.

    But they didn’t. So why? And who’s really benefitting? I’ll tell you. The multiple property owning landlord class that FG depend on. And that’s a minority compared to the numbers renting obviously but how politically stupid or just arrogant do you have to be to be cosying up to the few and not the many?

    I know that’s more FFs game but still

    Rents in rent pressure zones can only be increased by 4% per annum so to say they are sky rocketing is not true, not being able to afford them is a different matter and a rent freeze wouldn’t help that.

    Also in most countries that has introduced it has led to a shortage of supply and higher rents for new renters.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47028342


  • #2187
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How can you respect someone who is a confirmed liar? Serious question.


    Ah I just admire commitment even if it’s wrong.
    We’ve elected governments for a hundred years that do the same.
    Imagine blanch or any of the other finnerbots put their minds and energy to such uses?
    It could be wonderful or appalling.


  • #2188
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Runaways wrote: »
    Ah I just admire commitment even if it’s wrong.
    We’ve elected governments for a hundred years that do the same.
    Imagine blanch or any of the other finnerbots put their minds and energy to such uses?
    It could be wonderful or appalling.

    Ah maybe it's just me but I can't find respect for a liar no matter the circumstances.


  • #2189
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Rents in rent pressure zones can only be increased by 4% per annum so to say they are sky rocketing is not true, not being able to afford them is a different matter and a rent freeze wouldn’t help that.

    Also in most countries that has introduced it has led to a shortage of supply and higher rents for new renters.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47028342

    Wasn’t aware of that thank you.
    Not being able to afford the rent or market rate and escalating rents do happen despite the RPZ rules. I live in stoneybatter in D7 trust me. I’ve seen it going mental and continues to despite there being law against it. Seats to say it is in all urban areas.

    They could and should have tackled it. Mortgage interest rates aren’t rising. Landlords are just being greedy and herd mentality ‘well everyone else is doing it’
    That’s all there is to it.


  • #2190
    Nitrogan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Nitrogan


    What's a Finnerbot?


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  • #2191
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Eh no, they started to talk with other parties, but it went nowhere, absolutely nowhere.


    Ehhhhhh No. The reason the talks didn't go any further is because FFG had already counted themselves out. Making a functional government not really possible. To say otherwise is incorrect. We will see in the coming weeks. Should be fun.


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