CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

RandomName2 · 02-04-2020 02:21PM

threeball wrote: »

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

You have to be a hermit at some level.

Either the world had to be a hermit in relation to China at the beginning of January

Or Europe could have been a hermit in relation to everywhere else

Or Ireland could have been a hermit by itself

As it stands the level of hermit-dom is down to the level of individual households, or in the case of someone living in a household with someone awaiting the result of a test, hermits reduced to individual rooms isolated from one another.

The only way to stop the spread is to stop people with the disease interacting with people who don't have the disease. No more, no less.

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:22PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

They are actually doing better than i expected at this stage. Hopefully the numbers don't rise any higher than that.

The numbers are only those who die in a hospital setting - don’t want to even imagine the real numbers - and given they have adopted this approach I’m guessing the true numbers are a lot higher

RandomName2 · 02-04-2020 02:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you not accept that a bajaxed economy has a human cost?

rovers_runner · 02-04-2020 02:24PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

unemployment going to 20% in USA

'' never seen before, 20% omg, I never thought I’d see such a print in my lifetime'''

I don't get it, 20% ? I thought it would be at 90% . so 80% of people still working in USA or getting paid.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 02:25PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Nope. Not getting drawn into that one. You've contributed absolutely nothing yourself other than "blah blah the economy", yet you're expecting anyone criticising your nonsense to have all the answers.

The economy is a human construct, therefore it can be modified by humans. Your idea of restarting the economy and letting the virus run wild is naive at best and sociopathic at worst.

Personally I'd have no problem with re-opening the economy but it would demand radical solutions and answers. Do you think Leo Varadkar is the man for radical solutions? Of course not.

This government had 10 years almost to sort out much more straightforward problems like housing, insurance costs and hospital trolleys. And they did nothing.

Anytime someone proposed a radical solution to something or even a solution, they ignored them, deliberately a lot of the time. They allowed numerous businesses shutdown because of insurance costs for example.

murpho999 · 02-04-2020 02:26PM

ongarite wrote: »

We are on track for a minimum deficit of 16 billion if this goes on for another 2 months.
30 billion if this lock-down goes on until September.

That's over 4 times bigger than the banking bailout which had this country on its knees for 10 years.

We will have to get the service industry back up and running within 2 months or the whole population is screwed, not just the vulnerable to this pandemic.

Well as already pointed out your numbers are way off.

A €7bn baliout as you have calculated would not have been a major problem.

The difference between this and the banking crisis is that then it was a systemic problem with banking, loans and liquidity. Money was actually owed to people and they were going to call that debt in. There were gainers and losers that impacted the whole economy.

This is different, all countries, economies, financial insitutions and systems are impacted by this.
There's no rescue of systems or certian parties. No people applying pressure for gain.

That's why I believe that once things get back to normal that the economy willj just pick up and rebuild.
Ireland not at the behest of other nations or financial insititions like in 2008-12 .

Wibbs · 02-04-2020 02:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It comes from Martin Cormican, Colm Henry has repeated it frequently. I guess they know nothing.

They know that until the planes from China came with 200 million euros worth of PPE and other medical equipment they didn't have enough for the health service. That they know and that's why they came out with this stance. Hell they're even restricting them for their own workers as if they weren't in enough danger. Read this. Unbloodyreal. :mad: The CDC in the US is more clear about it, saying that they need the masks for medical workers. Not that the masks are ineffectual.

It's funny that in nations where the masks are easily got damn near everyone is wearing them. Taiwan gave them to every single household in the country and made it illegal to not wear one in public.

BTW if any authority gives you two contradictory statements, that means one of those statements is wrong. Never mind that many authorities have had many headless chicken moments when dealing with this new threat. The WHO among them.

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 02:28PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/reagent-suppliers-ramping-up-production-as-demand-soars-1000-says-virus-lab-director-991749.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The number of cluster cases of the coronavirus in nursing homes has risen to 29.
There are now 3,447 confirmed cases of the infection here and 85 people have died.
A quarter of the confirmed cases involve health care workers.
Only 1,500 people are being tested per day which is far short of the 15,000 anticipated.
Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory, Dr Cillian De Gascun, said they are working on getting more of the reagent needed for the Covid-19 tests.
He said: "We know from our suppliers that their demand has increased globally in the region of 1,000%.
"So they are ramping up production, but unfortunately as with all things, there is a lead-in time for that."

Sono Topolino · 02-04-2020 02:28PM

Can we ban people from cycling and going out jogging altogether? The 2km rule has only made Rathmines more busy as people who would have gone to UCD are exercising locally. The paths here are narrow physical distancing is not being adhered to.

cloudatlas · 02-04-2020 02:29PM

H&M in talks with tens of thousands of staff to cut working hours.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-h-m-staff/hm-in-talks-with-tens-of-thousands-of-staff-to-cut-working-hours-due-to-pandemic-idUSKBN21K1EV

Reckless Abandonment · 02-04-2020 02:29PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

No people won’t be and the simple reason is that Irish people are educated enough and will see the UK for instance 600+ deaths a day - and be like yes it’s **** in Ireland but could be a hell of a lot worse so let’s just continue the way we are

I agree watching the UK and US is going to scare people into line. But come May the weather gets better people will have been "locked up" for 2 months curve should be flattened. A large proportion of the country is going to want thing relaxed. I dont see packed pubs and concerts, they are gone for the year. Its about finding the parts of the economy /workforce that can be let back.

MrMusician18 · 02-04-2020 02:33PM

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

I agree watching the UK and US is going to scare people into line. But come May the weather gets better people will have been "locked up" for 2 months curve should be flattened. A large proportion of the country is going to want thing relaxed. I dont see packed pubs and concerts, they are gone for the year. Its about finding the parts of the economy /workforce that can be let back.

The real issue is that once the restrictions are lifted you'll see a second wave.

tobefrank321 · 02-04-2020 02:33PM

callaway92 wrote: »

What???

You thought unemployment would go to 90 fúcking percent

The rise in unemployment as with 2008 is slow and cumulative.

Many companies, the one I work for included, have cash in the bank and can keep us open for another 3 months but with wage cuts. There would be a lot of companies like that.

But once that 3 months is up, you will see another significant rise in unemployment. So after 3 months of a lockdown you could see between 30-40% unemployed.

The time for us to beat coronavirus and avoid the current lockdown was late February/early March. Then was the time to put in a plan to stop flights from hotspots, quarantine travellers for 2 weeks on their return and so on. Once we missed those early chances we were always fighting a losing battle.

wakka12 · 02-04-2020 02:34PM

More than one person has died in Europe from COVID every minute of every day for the last two weeks

RandomName2 · 02-04-2020 02:34PM

Wibbs wrote: »

They know that until the planes from China came with 200 million euros worth of PPE and other medical equipment they didn't have enough for the health service. That they know and that's why they came out with this stance. Hell they're even restricting them for their own workers as if they weren't in enough danger. Read this. Unbloodyreal. :mad: The CDC in the US is more clear about it, saying that they need the masks for medical workers. Not that the masks are ineffectual.

It's funny that in nations where the masks are easily got damn near everyone is wearing them. Taiwan gave them to every single household in the country and made it illegal to not wear one in public.

BTW if any authority gives you two contradictory statements, that means one of those statements is wrong. Never mind that many authorities have had many headless chicken moments when dealing with this new threat. The WHO among them.

I mean, how could a mask that filters out 99% of particles in air provide protection against something that can be passed on through coughing, sneezing, or breathing on someone? :rolleyes:

Sometimes I have to wonder.

Asian countries took this seriously from get-go because they took SARS seriously. Many people here didn't take SARS seriously because we have a lot of people, who apparently think that if something is in Asia it can't affect us. :eek:

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 02:36PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Can we ban people from cycling and going out jogging altogether? The 2km rule has only made Rathmines more busy as people who would have gone to UCD are exercising locally. The paths here are narrow physical distancing is not being adhered to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-update-lockdown-jogging-advice-health-a9413906.html

What we have noticed is the amount of people on the estate now coming up our street and some of them look as if they are just looking for an opportunity.

magma69 · 02-04-2020 02:37PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Milton is basically watered down bleach.

Paradise Lost is great though.

Reckless Abandonment · 02-04-2020 02:40PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The real issue is that once the restrictions are lifted you'll see a second wave.

True. But we should be planning for it. Health service build up for it. I know that's not an easy ask, especially while they are flat out dealing with everything now.
I'm In food retail, I'm seeing what we have to do to keep things in line. ( its bloody stressful) but we have changed how we work and sell, it can be done. And we had to learn very fast.
Every busines will/should be looking at how it's been done and getting themselves geared for returning to work ( when ever that might be)

Kermit.de.frog · 02-04-2020 02:41PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245580193952980993

Think about that for a moment

gozunda · 02-04-2020 02:42PM

6 wrote: »

Health workers can't even get masks ffs. They should be totally prioritised.

There's regular people driving around wearing them. Seen it a handful of times already and I haven't been out much :rolleyes:

Health care workers are getting masks. An Irish company is supplying the HSE and they are being imported.

But again just to state the obvious- theres a huge number of existing masks which cannot be used by medical personel because of chain of custody issues, non medically sterile etc

Those who do have masks should use them when necessary ie out shopping. Home made masks can also used to reduce the risk of infection

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

timmy_mallet · 02-04-2020 02:43PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

I mean, how could a mask that filters out 99% of particles in air provide protection against something that can be passed on through coughing, sneezing, or breathing on someone? :rolleyes:

Sometimes I have to wonder.

Asian countries took this seriously from get-go because they took SARS seriously. Many people here didn't take SARS seriously because we have a lot of people, who apparently think that if something is in Asia it can't affect us. :eek:

WHO has a history of suggesting global pandemics and nothing happening. Assume people thought this was another wolf crying episode.

Strazdas · 02-04-2020 02:43PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The rise in unemployment as with 2008 is slow and cumulative.

Many companies, the one I work for included, have cash in the bank and can keep us open for another 3 months but with wage cuts. There would be a lot of companies like that.

But once that 3 months is up, you will see another significant rise in unemployment. So after 3 months of a lockdown you could see between 30-40% unemployed.

The time for us to beat coronavirus and avoid the current lockdown was late February/early March. Then was the time to put in a plan to stop flights from hotspots, quarantine travellers for 2 weeks on their return and so on. Once we missed those early chances we were always fighting a losing battle.

The 'unemployment' numbers are extremely misleading.

Many companies and businesses are forbidden by law from opening up or doing business, meaning those unemployed at the moment are nothing like those who would normally be unemployed as a result of having been permanently let go.

DisneyLover · 02-04-2020 02:43PM

11 days waiting on results. Still have symptoms. HC worker.. getting annoyed now

froog · 02-04-2020 02:44PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245580193952980993

Think about that for a moment

we eat pigs by the rasherload. they are considered smarter than both dogs and cats.

think about that.

topper75 · 02-04-2020 02:44PM

wakka12 wrote: »

More than one person has died in Europe from COVID every minute of every day for the last two weeks

How does your stat sit alongside 'normal business', if that is even available?

There doesn't seem be much in the way of distinction in any country between OF covid and WITH covid. If you are in God's waiting room anyway, you are likely in an institution that is riddled with the bastard, one that operates as a straw on a camel back.

spookwoman · 02-04-2020 02:44PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245580193952980993

Think about that for a moment

1 month is a long time and all it takes is one virus to cross species barrier.

Ace2007 · 02-04-2020 02:45PM

DisneyLover wrote: »

11 days waiting on results. Still have symptoms. HC worker.. getting annoyed now

if your not very sick i.e. need of a hospital, testing positive won't change the treatment - self isolate and keep in contact with a doctor.

facehugger99 · 02-04-2020 02:46PM

petes wrote: »

Multiple times now you've been asked what your suggestions are and multiple times you've ignored the question.

Either answer it if you are so knowledgeable or stop posting drivel.

I have in my bollox.

I've already posted numerous times that restrictions will need to be relaxed, the vulnerable groups will need to continue to isolate and the rest of us will have to take sensible precautions while getting back to some form of normality.

It's not my fault that you're hard of reading and it's hardly rocket-science.

Fr_Dougal · 02-04-2020 02:46PM

Wibbs wrote: »

They know that until the planes from China came with 200 million euros worth of PPE and other medical equipment they didn't have enough for the health service. That they know and that's why they came out with this stance. Hell they're even restricting them for their own workers as if they weren't in enough danger. Read this. Unbloodyreal. :mad: The CDC in the US is more clear about it, saying that they need the masks for medical workers. Not that the masks are ineffectual.

It's funny that in nations where the masks are easily got damn near everyone is wearing them. Taiwan gave them to every single household in the country and made it illegal to not wear one in public.

BTW if any authority gives you two contradictory statements, that means one of those statements is wrong. Never mind that many authorities have had many headless chicken moments when dealing with this new threat. The WHO among them.

HSE covering their arses from litigation, nothing new there. Wank3rs.

Rob A. Bank · 02-04-2020 02:46PM

INMO Trolley Watch figures for April 2nd 2020

11 beds short today in Irish Hospitals.

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

3,152 admitted patients without hospital beds in March 2020.
Among the 3,152 patients were 72 children.

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