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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #6092
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,097 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    6.7 million Americans have filed for unemployment assistance within space of a week, a record

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/u-s-jobless-claims-doubled-to-record-6-65-million-last-week?srnd=premium-europe


  • #6093
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    Tony EH wrote: »
    As much as we all want to say that FG etc are doing a "good" job with this Corona situation. The above needs to constantly act as a reminder what the situation was before this pandemic hit and how government were of little help and in many cases, an actual hindrance.

    Perhaps this is the sea change that's needed regarding government attitude to front line healthcare staff and their needs.

    I won't hold my breath though.

    Well they have a chance now to make the necessary changes to the health service to make it world class but I guess once this is over HSE will revert back to norm and the returning Nurses/Doctors etc will be booking their flights out of here


  • #6094
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Just heard an interview on LBC with the head of Germany's television media (forget the name but similar to head of RTE/BBC etc..). Some key points I caught;

    Germany has 28,000 critical care beds, to be increased to 40,000 imminently. This may not be enough, so Government plans to double the current capacity (assume that means increasing to 56,000 beds).

    Germany has a couple of large manufacturers whose core business is the production of ventiltors. They're running at full production and the main impact on this is the supply of component parts needed. Apparently a number of support organisations are working to support this by production of component parts via '3D Printing' technology.

    All political parties have combined and are operating effectively as 'one party' in collaboration to tackle the crisis.


  • #6095
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    This makes me hopeful as a cancer patient. BBC newsreader George Alagiah is 64 and has lived with stage 4 bowel cancer for nearly 6 years. He’s in active treatment and has COVID-19 and he seems to be well on the way to recovery from it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-52111754/bbc-s-george-alagiah-on-living-with-coronavirus-and-cancer


  • #6096
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    is_that_so wrote: »
    From HSE, current advice
    and it's contradictory bollocks and best ignored. It is entirely to do with a lack of supply, not the efficacy of masks among the wider community. End of.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #6097
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wibbs wrote: »
    and it's contradictory bollocks and best ignored. It is entirely to do with a lack of supply, not the efficacy of masks among the wider community. End of.
    Well, that's put them straight!


  • #6098
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    and it's contradictory bollocks and best ignored. It is entirely to do with a lack of supply, not the efficacy of masks among the wider community. End of.

    Most anyone I know with a scientific background knows that. Aside from a few who are very by-the-book types who believe the last thing they read. :pac:


  • #6099
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Most anyone I know with a scientific background knows that. Aside from a few who are very by-the-book types who believe the last thing they read. :pac:
    It comes from Martin Cormican, Colm Henry has repeated it frequently. I guess they know nothing.


  • #6100
    Real Life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Real Life


    Wibbs wrote: »
    and it's contradictory bollocks and best ignored. It is entirely to do with a lack of supply, not the efficacy of masks among the wider community. End of.

    I agree, Its never made sense to me. Either they are useful or theyre not. No point saying only people with certain illnesses etc need them but the general public dont. If they work for someone who is sick then that means they work which in turn means they will work for everyone. Sick or not.

    Nonsense like this makes me distrust a lot of what they tell us.


  • #6101
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    New Home wrote: »
    The spray does not have the same ingredients as the sterilising fluid. As for the antiviral properties of the spray, it depends on what the ingredients are and on how they act on the pathogen. Soapy water (in this case) kills off the virus because it breaks down the fatty "shell" around it - soap is a degreaser. I'm not sure how the spray operates, but if it did kill viruses it would say so on the label. It may not have de-greasing properties.

    It's not safe to assume anything, especially with something this dangerous.

    Dettol spray literally states that it kills "human coronaviruses". As well as H1N1, so that's prbably a good one to use.


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  • #6102
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    snowgal wrote: »
    ugghhhhhh, I really HATE the banks! the most selfish 'business' in the world. They are so greedy and genuinely anger me so much. I cant understand why there is not more uproar from people about them. They are doing nothing, nothing decent for people through this. And they should be to the fore in helping, after all we did to help them a decade ago. Any offers they give will only be more profit for them in the end. Greed!
    sorry rant over now!!!
    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Agreed. Their day is over tho. People still have power. The last election demonstrated that. If people are made to suffer because of this there will be demonstrations like you have never seen in Ireland. There has been underlying resentment in Ireland that has been festering. Very few buttons left to push before we snap.

    I was watching the UK government presser yesterday and the minister clearly stated - "we all rescued you in 2008 now you need to return the favour for small business esp". Have we heard a peep regarding our own fine institutions from the government?


  • #6103
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    is_that_so wrote: »
    As do washing hands, not touching your face and social distancing.

    So do both and wear a mask when necessary. It's not rocket science.


  • #6104
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Just heard an interview on LBC with the head of Germany's television media (forget the name but similar to head of RTE/BBC etc..). Some key points I caught;

    Germany has 28,000 critical care beds, to be increased to 40,000 imminently. This may not be enough, so Government plans to double the current capacity (assume that means increasing to 56,000 beds).

    Germany has a couple of large manufacturers whose core business is the production of ventiltors. They're running at full production and the main impact on this is the supply of component parts needed. Apparently a number of support organisations are working to support this by production of component parts via '3D Printing' technology.

    All political parties have combined and are operating effectively as 'one party' in collaboration to tackle the crisis.

    There is an example of a mature country that comes together, but also has a spare capacity in its factories. Losing Industry elsewhere in Europe is a big issue.


  • #6105
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    People would quickly get over their self-consciousness about wearing a mask if everyone is wearing one. If it meant restrictions could be relaxed, I think everyone would get over it.


  • #6106
    Juwwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It comes from Martin Cormican, Colm Henry has repeated it frequently. I guess they know nothing.


    If masks are only useful for those who are sick .

    What about the 20% who don't show any symptoms would it not stop them spreading the virus if everybody wore one ?


  • #6107
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭Ludwig Wittgenstein


    Desperate talk on Newstalk today re: the COVID Pandemic Payment. Pure nastiness and self-righteousness coming from texters and presenters alike. The demonising of part time and lower income workers is particularly hard to stomach, especially when one of the prime considerations of the payment was to actually disincentive non-essential work for a limited time period.

    It would be great if people could for once put their petty self interest aside, and accept that a temporary enhanced, non-means tested payment is a reasonable response to keep individuals, families and the economy ticking over. It's far from perfect but it was never going to be. Imperfect action > a catastrophe in pursuit of perfection.


  • #6108
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I was watching the UK government presser yesterday and the minister clearly stated - "we all rescued you in 2008 now you need to return the favour for small business esp". Have we heard a peep regarding our own fine institutions from the government?

    Well we own the banks, most of them, so anything that we do to reduce profits or gain losses is on the taxpayer. I suppose that is ok.


  • #6109
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    17% Unemployment rate

    construction and everything connected with it since Friday not included in that number

    Restrictions will have to be lifted at the start of May at the absolute latest.

    The current situation is completely unsustainable and ultimately pointless.

    People are going to have to put on their big-boy and big-girl pants and learn how to live with the virus, because we're not going to have a society to save after a couple of months of this.

    The Govt. need to start preparing the social-media hysteria merchants for a staggered relaxation of restrictions and a return to some form of normality.


  • #6110
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Another 569 dead in the UK - only hospital deaths.


  • #6111
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, that's put them straight!

    He's right. Of course masks work, which is why they are trying to keep them for frontline workers.


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  • #6112
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    is_that_so wrote: »
    From HSE, current advice


    Sorry but people are asking the wrong question of people who are opposed to wearing masks so maybe I will try:


    What harm does someone else wearing a mask do to you ?


    Thing is, I wear a mask and I cannot go to the supermarket without some Charlie feeling it is his job to tell me that they don't work! because that is how he has interpreted the HSE "advice".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/cdc-masks-coronavirus.html


    China, Belgium, Czeck Republic, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and now, shortly the USA are all wrong.


    BBC, right now, doing a story on how coughs now apparently spray virus droplets more than 2 meters and masks are being reconsidered.


  • #6113
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    UK Figures
    4,244 new positive tests
    569 new deaths in hospitals (excludes care home deaths and deaths at home)

    Tweet
    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245697879311814656


  • #6114
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Another (sad) tool - autopsies. They might be able to elucidate treatment options by seeing what infections ran rampant in the affected individual.


  • #6115
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Banks returning the favour after we bailed them out?? Unlikely.

    Just on this - you say we bailed the banks out - if we didn't anyone with savings could have lost them, or a % of them like in other counties.


  • #6116
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭Ludwig Wittgenstein


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Restrictions will have to be lifted at the start of May at the absolute latest.

    The current situation is completely unsustainable and ultimately pointless.

    People are going to have to put on their big-boy and big-girl pants and learn how to live with the virus, because we're not going to have a society to save after a couple of months of this.

    The Govt. need to start preparing the social-media hysteria merchants for a staggered relaxation of restrictions and a return to some form of normality.

    Why not borrow to tide us over?


  • #6117
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245697882130395136

    Still little testing in UK


  • #6118
    Lord Fairlord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 180 ✭✭Lord Fairlord


    People may not have seen this; from Prof Walter Ricciardi from a Telegraph article on Italian Covid deaths.

    "“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

    “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/


  • #6119
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Coveney stating the obvious:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-coveney-restrictions-5064753-Apr2020/


  • #6120
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gozunda wrote: »
    So do both and wear a mask when necessary. It's not rocket science.
    I linked to a BBC piece earlier and one thing it mentions is increased moral vigilance and how more judgemental we can become in what we perceive as breaches. As regards these threads it is just another thing in a long, long list of things to blame. If the advice is to wear a mask I'll wear one. I will add that any masks I've seen are worn by a very small minority of people.


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  • #6121
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    MipMap wrote: »
    Sorry but people are asking the wrong question of people who are opposed to wearing masks so maybe I will try:

    What harm does someone else wearing a mask do to you ?

    Thing is, I wear a mask and I cannot go to the supermarket without some Charlie feeling it is his job to tell me that they don't work! because that is how he has interpreted the HSE "advice".

    You can wear a mask if you want, however i feel the issues are that people are wearing masks for the sake, and then doing other stupid things. In addition those who really need the masks now have to spend more money on them - A saw a chemist recently selling individual masks for €4 - crazy money.


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