CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's not pointless. It's saving lives.

The economy can eventually recover. The dead won't recover.

As someone said during the week. We know how to restart economies. We don't know how to restart dead people.

Ace2007 wrote: »

You can wear a mask if you want, however i feel the issues are that people are wearing masks for the sake, and then doing other stupid things. In addition those who really need the masks now have to spend more money on them - A saw a chemist recently selling individual masks for €4 - crazy money.

To me, anyone who wears a mask tells me they are taking this virus seriously and is a person who is a lot less likely to do stupid things than someone who does not.


This nonsense that the mask will lull people into a false senses of security is one of the lame excuses the HSE comes out with because they can't think of anything else to discourage the practice.


If they were in plentiful supply they would be ordering us to wear them
and explaining how it our civic duty to do so in order to protect those around us. Just as they do in Wuhan.

marilynrr wrote: »

It's been taken out of context.
Someone said that this was the biggest crisis the world had faced since WW2.
That's not comparing them, just saying it's the biggest crisis since something else happened.

I totally agree, and I say that as somebody in my 50s, so I've been around for quite a while.

Bad and all as it is, lucky it doesn't have the potency of SARS or Ebloa or we might all be gonners. Here's hoping for a vaccine (realistically) not before the Autumnn, and probably later...

MipMap wrote: »

To me, anyone who wears a mask tells me they are taking this virus seriously and is a person who is a lot less likely to do stupid things than someone who does not.


This nonsense that the mask will lull people into a false senses of security is one of the lame excuses the HSE comes out with because they can't think of anything else to discourage the practice.


If they were in plentiful supply they would be ordering us to wear them
and explaining how it our civic duty to do so in order to protect those around us. Just as they do in Wuhan.

Masks also give people a false sense of security - I've seen lads over 70 who shouldn't be out - going for walks, and one even said sure i have the mask on when i jokingly said he shouldn't out. Like why would anyone over 70 be told to stay in door if a mask works?

Why does it bother other people if people wear masks? Why can't people just mind their own business

Ace2007 wrote: »

If this same advisory that you talk about - advised government in Ireland to adopt tougher restrictions, say complete lock down - no 2km radius for exercise - would you agree and adhere to this?

If and ands were pots and pans eh?

What exactly has that got to do with general common sense and wearing a mask to help reduce the rate of infecting others?

The previous no mask wearing advisory is looking increasingly dodgy. If you have a mask use it.

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

People may not have seen this; from Prof Walter Ricciardi from a Telegraph article on Italian Covid deaths.

"“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

To continue the quote.....

'This does not mean that Covid-19 did not contribute to a patient's death, rather it demonstrates that Italy's fatality toll has surged as a large proportion of patients have underlying health conditions. Experts have also warned against making direct comparisons between countries due to discrepancies in testing.'

If a person with a coronary condition is hit by a bus and dies, his heart condition may have contributed to his fate, but he would have remained alive if he hadn't been hit by the bus.

If COVID-19 is not shown as a cause of death you also skew the statistics, only if an autopsy revealed that COVID-19 was not a causal factor should it be excluded.

Not possible now because of resources and danger, studies in China indicate 100% of those who died from COVID-19 were still shedding the virus. cf Incineration.

Ace2007 wrote: »

Masks also give people a false sense of security - I've seen lads over 70 who shouldn't be out - going for walks, and one even said sure i have the mask on when i jokingly said he shouldn't out. Like why would anyone over 70 be told to stay in door if a mask works?

Because masks significantly reduce the risk of infection. They don’t eliminate the risk.

I dont have access to a mask except for a respirator used for spraying chemicals which looks terrifying.

Tried to wear a snood over my face for grocery shopping last week and it kept on falling out of place resulting in my touching of face to try and fix it, so I gave up. Id wear a mask if I had one though - just not the scary respirator.

For all those suggesting we’ve got this licked and we’ll be back to “normal” in 2, 3, 4 weeks, have a read of this article about China: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00938-0

IMO, while we may see some sort of loosening of restrictions from May/June onwards, I think we are a long way off being back to “normal” (ie, schools opened up, pubs rammed, people off to concerts, festivals and other large-scale events, etc..)

gozunda wrote: »

If and ands were pots and pans eh?

What exactly has that got to do with general common sense and wearing a mask to help reduce the rate of infecting others?

The previous no mask wearing advisory is looking increasingly dodgy. If you have a mask use it.

It's got to do with you looking and posting about what happens in one country, but failing to look at the bigger picture in said country.

Common sense is not something people have much of.
You want to reduce rate of infecting others - don't go out - it's simple just stay inside.

MipMap wrote: »

eh, No

But that's working for them - so why not do it here?

Tony EH wrote: »

As someone said during the week. We know how to restart economies. We don't know how to restart dead people.

Yeah, but those people are morons.

It's the economy that allows us to spend €20bn a year on health services.

If we had to suddenly reduce that to €10bn a year, do you think that wouldn't result in hundreds of deaths?

Do those people not count just because some social-media hero isn't bleating about them on Facebook?

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I was watching the UK government presser yesterday and the minister clearly stated - "we all rescued you in 2008 now you need to return the favour for small business esp". Have we heard a peep regarding our own fine institutions from the government?

Yes... last week, Fiscal O Donoghue met with them and arranged the mortgage payment pause (added on to the end bit) scheme and loan packages for businesses. I am not sure how useful any of the measures will be in the end, but there has certainly been a peep from the government.

It may not be a very effective peep and maybe they could do more than a peep, but there has been contact.