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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Slowed.... Have you any figures at all to prove the flights are full, packed to the rafters and now...... Slowed?
    You say, or assume they are full, someone says they are near empty and only Irish citizens on board, you reply with the volume has slowed.
    If they grounded all flights, ya gonna say people be swimming across the Atlantic unchecked

    What I'm saying is our Country was wide open for business until a fortnight ago. So we still had streams of people coming in at least up until that point.

    I'm alarmed that you don't find that at all questionable in the middle of a Worldwide pandemic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Strumms wrote: »
    Totally....What I can’t get my head around is how absolutely silent it is... at night, and pretty damn quiet during the day. No real traffic, no kids heading to the park, silence. No live sport, no neighbors rowing in the garden, it’s a freaky time to be alive. I quite fancied the chipper tonight, I wasn’t going to risk it for a biscuit, or curry chips for that matter.

    Was just saying that about the silence. I cant sleep it is soooo quiet outside


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭leck


    One of the latest celebrity cases is John Prine.

    https://twitter.com/JohnPrineMusic/status/1244374068226293761


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Strumms wrote: »
    Totally....What I can’t get my head around is how absolutely silent it is... at night, and pretty damn quiet during the day. No real traffic, no kids heading to the park, silence. No live sport, no neighbors rowing in the garden, it’s a freaky time to be alive. I quite fancied the chipper tonight, I wasn’t going to risk it for a biscuit, or curry chips for that matter.

    It's too quiet. There's normally a busy road out the back and I always sleep with the window open. I kinda got use to the cars going up and down. Now it's so quiet I swear I can hear the grass grow. It's certainly a surreal situation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman




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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    leck wrote: »
    One of the latest celebrity cases is John Prine.

    Who?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    What I'm saying is our Country was wide open for business until a fortnight ago. So we still had streams of people coming in at least up until that point.

    I'm alarmed that you don't find that at all questionable in the middle of a Worldwide pandemic.

    It wasn't wide opened for business.
    Many large companies instructed staff to work from home. Many people had seen the outbreak in Europe and taken heed and began social distancing and being cautious. Companies even canceled business trips. Business was not as normal 2 weeks ago, citizens and business took it upon themselves to take precautions days before schools closed.
    If anything the people of Ireland reacted quicker then the government, not that the government was slow in reacting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,673 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    spookwoman wrote: »

    There's gonna be a lot of bad news in the coming days


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    khalessi wrote: »
    No to be alarmist but I am putting this here for anyone with psoriasis who may not see it

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164787/14-year-old-boy-Portugals-youngest-coronavirus-victim-Ovar-near-Porto.html

    youngest death in Europe 14 year old footballer with psoriasis

    Some of the underlying conditions that lend vulnerability are eyebrow-raising - hypertension, diabetes etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,673 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Some of the underlying conditions that lend vulnerability are eyebrow-raising - hypertension, diabetes etc.

    Was thinking that earlier today - this virus is a b*tch


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fritzelly wrote: »
    There's gonna be a lot of bad news in the coming days
    Thats one mistake the government done so far. If it wasn't for NHI restricting visiting to homes early in March, it would be alot worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Was thinking that earlier today - this virus is a b*tch

    I just remember my teenage niece mentioning in January that every hundred years or so there was a pandemic and what would. 2020 bring us. Now we know and it aint good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Was thinking that earlier today - this virus is a b*tch

    It seems that if your immune system over reacts to it, that's where the massively high fever comes and complications arise .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    What I'm saying is our Country was wide open for business until a fortnight ago. So we still had streams of people coming in at least up until that point.

    I'm alarmed that you don't find that at all questionable in the middle of a Worldwide pandemic.
    So easy to flick a switch and turn off everything is in it.We were guided slowly into a lockdown , measures to deal with it as well as legislation that needs to be passed. The government might not be perfect but they brought us to this stage perfectly with minimum panic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    What I'm saying is our Country was wide open for business until a fortnight ago. So we still had streams of people coming in at least up until that point.

    I'm alarmed that you don't find that at all questionable in the middle of a Worldwide pandemic.

    Personally I don't think it was a conspiracy to import cases, just plain stupidity which still continues. As for empty flights coming from the UK, yeh sure 16 or so Aer Lingus flights a day. No effort to reduce the number on their website so seat capacity is maximised.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Personally I don't think it was a conspiracy to import cases, just plain stupidity which still continues. As for empty flights coming from the UK, yeh sure 16 or so Aer Lingus flights a day. No effort to reduce the number on their website so seat capacity is maximised.

    Those flights have been booked months in advance, if the airline cancelled the flights they have to refund the passengers. Nobody is flying. Are lingus are flying cargo in the belly as usual.
    Tell ya what, go sit in arrivals and film all these passengers coming out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Your two brain cells are practising social distancing if you believe that **** ...
    eldudebros wrote: »
    Why are people so quick to rubbish the effects of 5G? What do we know? Nothing at all really.

    Not one of us would have expected a pandemic like this to occur this time last year.

    Already scientists and doctors have appealed to the EU to reconsider it due to health effects it may cause. Why bother their hole if there wasn't cause for concern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,429 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Can you as a healthy person fed up with all these goings on, sign up to get the virus and declare yourself stronger when you recover?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭oleras


    khalessi wrote: »
    No to be alarmist but I am putting this here for anyone with psoriasis who may not see it

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164787/14-year-old-boy-Portugals-youngest-coronavirus-victim-Ovar-near-Porto.html

    youngest death in Europe 14 year old footballer with psoriasis

    Flakey publication.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    kyote00 wrote: »
    Your two brain cells are practising social distancing if you believe that **** ...

    So it's powerful enough to transmit lots of data really fast but it can't do any harm to living cells?

    In the old days radio signals were weak and large aerials or crystal receivers were required to receive them, the aerials in smartphones are tiny, what might that infer?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    So.
    What’s everyone up to??

    Netflix.

    Mostly Netflix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭kyote00


    that you have never studied maxwells equations
    So it's powerful enough to transmit lots of data really fast but it can't do any harm to living cells?

    In the old days radio signals were weak and large aerials or crystal receivers were required to receive them, the aerials in smartphones are tiny, what might that infer?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    oleras wrote: »
    Flakey publication.

    Well its in the TImes too but behind a pay wall google his name if you like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭kyote00


    psoriasis .... flakey .... zoom
    khalessi wrote: »
    Well its in the TImes too but behind a pay wall google his name if you like


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    leck wrote: »
    One of the latest celebrity cases is John Prine.

    https://twitter.com/JohnPrineMusic/status/1244374068226293761

    Probably better described as a musician than a celebrity.

    How sad. Don’t think he’ll have much chance to pull through with his underlying health problems. Had tickets to see him in Manchester but it was cancelled as he was having heart problems.

    Never got the credit he deserved. His latest album, The Tree of Forgiveness, did have some critical acclaim and is a cracking album.

    For anyone not familiar go and listen to his self titled album and ‘diamonds in the rough’. All his 70’s albums are good.

    His latest album is really good too.

    He’s the song writer than Bob Dylan wished he was. I’ve never understood Dylan’s success when Prine was writing all over him.

    Anyway. Very sad news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    IT headline tomorrow
    The Government should consider closing the country’s borders to prevent new coronavirus infections coming into the State, one of the leading infectious diseases experts has said.

    Dr Paddy Mallon, a consultant at St Vincent’s University Hospital in Dublin and professor of microbial diseases at UCD, said a major risk to the State was more new Covid-19 infections coming in.

    Please subscribe or sign in to continue reading.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-state-should-be-looking-seriously-at-closing-borders-1.4215321?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fcoronavirus-state-should-be-looking-seriously-at-closing-borders-1.4215321


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This news from Japan as officials in Tokyo warn in recent days the city is on the brink of an "explosive" increase in cases.

    Tokyo recorded its biggest daily increase in Covid-19 cases on Sunday, as authorities identified large infection clusters in and around the capital.


    The additional 68 cases brings Tokyo’s total to 430 - by far the highest among Japan’s 47 prefectures. The newly identified infections included 27 at a hospital where 96 people are now known to have been infected.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/30/coronavirus-live-news-us-deaths-could-reach-200000-uk-warned-six-month-lockdown-covid-19-latest-updates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Anyone know why the no of cases was so low today?

    Its unlikely its a real drop in infection??

    Someone told me many tests centers had closed because they had run of out tests indefinitely galway and cork were examples.

    Also we have to remember ...we are getting the results from tests that were done a while ago.

    Our testing system doesn't look good and doesn't bode well.

    I read an article that said we have the same death rate as the US and a higher infection rate than the UK.


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/coronavirus-news-data-shows-ireland-21772994

    We may be a small nation, but Ireland’s coronavirus crisis is one of the biggest in the world, the Irish Sunday Mirror can reveal.

    Our exclusive data probe reveals that Ireland ranks in the top 25% of 200 countries for coronavirus cases, rates of infection – and deaths.

    Our nation also has the second highest number of Covid-19 deaths compared to five other countries with similar populations.

    To date there have been more than 575,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and the deadly bug has claimed over 26,000 lives worldwide.

    Ireland has recorded 2,415 infections and 36 deaths so far with a higher infection rate than the UK and an equal death rate to the US.

    Green Party health spokesman and Meath GP Dr Seamus McMenamin said the figures reflect decades of poor investment in Ireland’s hospital system.

    He told the Irish Sunday Mirror: “Ireland doesn’t compare well with countries that have more equal health systems.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Thats one mistake the government done so far. If it wasn't for NHI restricting visiting to homes early in March, it would be alot worse.

    Yes and lets not forget either that the Authorities admonished Nursing Homes Ireland when they did decide to shut down the Nursing homes back on the 6th.

    They called it on March 6th and were publicly scolded on March 7th for doing so.

    Big mistake, big mistake.

    "Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan has insisted the risk of contracting Covid-19 in Ireland remains low.

    He appealed again to organisations... not to act unilaterally...following the decision of the Nursing Homes Ireland to implement visitor restrictions nationwide."


    I remember Leo Varadker using the same words later that day in his briefing.

    NHI made their decision on March 6 and even if it was too late, they had the nerve to act unilaterally - even if they were told off.

    This one isn't on NHI and just to add, their staff urgently need PPE.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0307/1120765-coronavirus/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Can you as a healthy person fed up with all these goings on, sign up to get the virus and declare yourself stronger when you recover?

    "Gimme the virus so I can get it over with it. Look how hard I am. Rawr."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes



    Still way better than the uk and with a similar population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    J. Marston wrote: »
    "Gimme the virus so I can get it over with it. Look how hard I am. Rawr."
    I mean, if we knew what the story with immunity was, and such people were planning to go out and do the necessary jobs in the community thereafter, it could perhaps be deemed a noble endeavour, but if that is not the aim, then it is simply f*ckwittery at its finest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Jin luk wrote: »

    If he wants to run a petri dish, let him.

    But no one will touch his diseased country afterward.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Can you as a healthy person fed up with all these goings on, sign up to get the virus and declare yourself stronger when you recover?

    No, absolutely not. This is up there with signing up for your kids to get Mumps and finding out 17 years later that your son is sterile.

    You are only healthy until the day you find out you're not.

    No one ever knows they have Cancer, cardiovascular disease, an aneurysm or Diabetes Type 2...until they have it and then everyone around says 'Oh My God! We had no idea!...we would never have guessed...!!!'

    So no.

    That's the thing about underlying conditions - you never know until the second you know that you have one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Behold! Coronavirus is, in fact, the saviour. Fewer accidents, fewer dopes on the street, less crime...

    https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244268782341799938


    source.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I am really worried that the govt really hasn't a clue of how many cases we have here. I have a sinister sinking feeling that they do not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself



    Kermit, I wonder, if you are permitted, could you post some of the content of the article; you can reference for safety sake.

    The article is subscribe only. Much appreciated if you can.


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    eldudebros wrote: »
    Why are people so quick to rubbish the effects of 5G? What do we know? Nothing at all really.

    Not one of us would have expected a pandemic like this to occur this time last year.

    Already scientists and doctors have appealed to the EU to reconsider it due to health effects it may cause. Why bother their hole if there wasn't cause for concern.

    Because short of swallowing or embedding a 5G mmWave transmitter into your body and letting it run for a long time, you’re safe.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I am really worried that the govt really hasn't a clue of how many cases we have here. I have a sinister sinking feeling that they do not.
    To take this in context, it's useful to compare Ireland vs other countries to determine the standard to which other countries are achieving. It's easy to be idealistic and assume the Government should have data on each and every case in Ireland but with a novel virus, that has a large proportion of asymptomatic carriers and limited testing kits combined with limited testing capacity, Ireland is doing quite well in this regard. Many countries, including the UK and the US (which is catching up) are lagging seriously in testing which is the number one weapon currently advocated by the WHO for fighting the virus in the absence of confirmed treatment and vaccines.

    South Korea and Singapore appear to be exceptionally good at this, but they learned the lessons of SARS which Western countries did not. Ireland has adapted quite quickly given the unprecedented nature of this event and the relative recency of the first cases in Ireland. Ireland was one of the last countries in Europe to have a first case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    (don't have IT account so can't post any more of the article)

    Looks like kites being flown for a further tightening of restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    marno21 wrote: »
    South Korea and Singapore appear to be exceptionally good at this,

    They are also demonstrating the dangers ahead.

    They have a sealed lid on it but still can't prevent circa 100 new cases per day each.

    Like a pressure cooker - they are in a situation where they can't remove the lid.

    Need a vaccine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    (don't have IT account so can't post any more of the article)

    Looks like kites being flown for a further tightening of restrictions.

    Cheers!

    I'm hearing the same thing. Do you ever wonder that George Lee is our 'between the lines' guy? He does preparatory hints very well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Looks like kites being flown for a further tightening of restrictions.

    It's been two days!


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    Kermit, I wonder, if you are permitted, could you post some of the content of the article; you can reference for safety sake.

    The article is subscribe only. Much appreciated if you can.

    The Government should consider closing the country’s borders to prevent new coronavirus infections coming into the State, one of the leading infectious diseases experts has said.

    Dr Paddy Mallon, a consultant at St Vincent’s University Hospital in Dublin and professor of microbial diseases at UCD, said a major risk to the State was more new Covid-19 infections coming in.

    “We have got our own outbreak in the country that we are trying to extinguish but the big threat is new infections coming in,” he said.

    “We should be looking seriously over the next week at protecting our borders and stopping new infections coming in because it will give us the ability to control the infections that we have.”

    The warning comes as the Health Service Executive said it was “impossible to predict” the timing of the peak of infections but it was planning for the worst of the crisis to hit by mid-April.

    Prof Sam McConkey of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland called for political leadership to build a “unity government that helps us beat the virus in the next few months” in order to fast-track debate on possible stricter travel and quarantine rules and tracing technology for individuals.

    “In a political system that is used to slow deliberation, it will not be an easy task to achieve an agreed outcome in a few days,” Prof McConkey writes in an opinion piece in Monday’s Irish Times.

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    Ages of dead
    State officials reported another 10 deaths from coronavirus, bringing the death toll from the disease in the Republic to 46. There were a further 200 cases confirmed, bring the total to 2,615.

    A further six deaths and 86 new cases were reported in Northern Ireland, bringing the total number of deaths on the island of Ireland to 67 and cases to 3,025.


    Details of the ages of the first 33 people to die from coronavirus in the Republic were disclosed in official figures over the weekend. Some 29 of the dead – as of March 26th – were over the age of 65, while one person died from each of the 25-34, 35-44, 45-54 and 55-64 age groups.

    The number of critically ill Covid-19 patients in intensive care units (ICU) was more evenly spread, with the youngest aged between five and 14. Thirty-three were aged between 45 and 64, and 24 people were over 65.

    The HSE said it was preparing for a surge of coronavirus cases with 1,200 critical care beds, but could not say by how much the State’s ICU capacity would be exceeded at peak.

    ICU concerns
    Some 88 Covid-19-infected patients were in ICU on Saturday and there were 167 ICU beds still available, as the HSE scales up the number of critical care beds with life-saving ventilators.

    Army vehicles escorted by An Garda leave Dublin Airport with a cargo of newly delivered Covid-19 equipment just in from China. Photograph: Tom Honan
    Army vehicles escorted by An Garda leave Dublin Airport with a cargo of newly delivered Covid-19 equipment just in from China. Photograph: Tom Honan
    Paul Reid, chief executive of the HSE, said given the surge in critically ill Covid-19 patients needing ICU beds – almost a sevenfold increase in over nine days – the possibility of the State’s ICU bed capacity being reached in just more than two weeks was “a very significant concern”.

    Health officials warned the public that complying with the Government’s “cocooning” direction for the over-70s and the medically vulnerable to stay at home for two weeks was “critical” to avoid ICU units being overrun by mid-April. Such compliance was also critical to avoid those at greatest risk of death being infected.

    The first shipment of vitally needed personal protective equipment, part of a €28 million order, arrived on an Aer Lingus flight from China on Sunday afternoon.


    However, new issues emerged with testing for Covid-19 as Mr Reid said the State was “hitting very significant pinch points” in carrying out tests, due to the shortage of reagents, the extraction element used in test kits that go to laboratories.

    A lack of testing kits led to the closure of the State’s largest testing facility at the Páirc uí Chaoimh GAA ground in Cork. The HSE said there had been “limited testing nationally” on Sunday due to the short supply of testing materials.

    More than 15,000 people are still waiting to be tested


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    They are also demonstrating the dangers ahead.

    They have a sealed lid on it but still can't prevent circa 100 new cases per day each.

    Like a pressure cooker - they are in a situation where they can't remove the lid.

    Need a vaccine.

    Same with China.

    Vaccine is the only way. A lot of things have been published about the 'END GAME'. A vaccine is the START of an end game.

    Remember the vaccine was found for small pox in 1796 but smallpox was only declared eradicated in 1980. The last known natural case was in Somalia in 1977.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Cheers!

    I'm hearing the same thing. Do you ever wonder that George Lee is our 'between the lines' guy? He does preparatory hints very well.

    What the govt does is fly "kites" in the media to test reaction. That is what the IT is doing today.

    It's about scoping how far people are willing to go?

    It's a tactic used for decades with any event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    What the govt does is fly "kites" in the media to test reaction. That is what the IT is doing today.

    It's about scoping how far people are willing to go?

    It's a tactic used for decades with any event.

    Well then they are dumb.

    If they haven't realized that people are not their 'reactions' and never go 50% as far as they publicly claim to they are stupid.

    There is a special place in hell reserved for stupid people ...and then a separate space within that for stupid politicians.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Yes and lets not forget either that the Authorities admonished Nursing Homes Ireland when they did decide to shut down the Nursing homes back on the 6th.

    They called it on March 6th and were publicly scolded on March 7th for doing so.

    Big mistake, big mistake.

    "Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan has insisted the risk of contracting Covid-19 in Ireland remains low.

    He appealed again to organisations... not to act unilaterally...following the decision of the Nursing Homes Ireland to implement visitor restrictions nationwide."


    I remember Leo Varadker using the same words later that day in his briefing.

    NHI made their decision on March 6 and even if it was too late, they had the nerve to act unilaterally - even if they were told off.

    This one isn't on NHI and just to add, their staff urgently need PPE.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0307/1120765-coronavirus/


    Just further highlights how out of their depth Holohan and Varadker area.
    Barely three weeks ago telling everyone things were rosy.

    This thing is going to cut through nursing homes like a knife through butter and those two along with many others are to blame.


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