CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

V8 Interceptor

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

You disagree with anything I've said there?

How did your and gems theory on flights from Ethiopia landing in Dublin work out?

Donald Trump

The only thing longer than the number of posts in this thread is the number of warnings in the first post

Donald Trump

Beasty wrote: »

Might be a cunning Trump plan.....


:pac:

Is there any other kind of plan? :pac:

Martina1991

Indestructable wrote:

The US is gonna kill it with the testing at the very least. They're supposedly rolling out a 15 minute test created by Abbott, that's a really positive development. I hope it works well, it could be a game changer.

That Abbott assay only has 60% sensitivity apparently.

Diagnostic companies are always trying to be the first at providing testing, even if it means they are not the most accurate.

They're sales people. The same as pharmaceutical companies.

It's the same with that Randox assay from Donegal. Of course they're going to say their test is the fastest and most accurate.

Put them in the hands of the laboratories and you soon see which ones are the most reliable.

V8 Interceptor

DubInMeath wrote: »

How did your and gems theory on flights from Ethiopia landing in Dublin work out?

Who are you talking about, Gemma O'Doherty? God knows what she said.

I had no theory. What're you on about?

Anything in that post you criticised you disagree with?

Hurrache

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Why's everyone so obsessed with Trump? We have our own incompetent clowns sitting in the Dail who left our borders wide open when the outbreak began in Italy.

Change the record.

ceadaoin.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Total cases: 122,653
Total deaths: 2,112

US has surpassed Italy and Spain

Well thats a given considering the US has 3 times the population of both countries combined. Parts of the country seem to be doing quite well so far though

Mervyn Skidmore

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243887606569590784

Nothing to see here. The WHO don't get involved in politics. Unfortunately very few countries recognise Taiwan as an independent nation.

wakka12

First day in a long time that the global total was not larger than the day before. 57.5k new cases today vs 66.7k new cases yesterday

Large drops in cases in Italy, France, USA, Switzerland, Austria, compared to yesterday

Mervyn Skidmore

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Why's everyone so obsessed with Trump? We have our own incompetent clowns sitting in the Dail who left our borders wide open when the outbreak began in Italy.

Yes, and our brightest and greatest (including myself) are posting on boards half cut after midnight.

BanditLuke

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Why's everyone so obsessed with Trump? We have our own incompetent clowns sitting in the Dail who left our borders wide open when the outbreak began in Italy.

Orange man bad

Colourful socks guy good

They are both incompetent.

Kermit.de.frog

wakka12 wrote: »

First day in a long time that the global total was not larger than the day before. 57.5k new cases today vs 66.7k new cases yesterday

The United States has not reported all it's totals for the day among other countries + it's Sunday

73bc61lyohr0mu

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Nobody has died in New Zealand yet.
About 480 cases only.
Taiwan has 288 cases and two deaths.

Coveney and Harris said that there was evidence that travel bans didn't work by countries that implemented them. Of course they lied.

There was some bullsh1t articles recently about 'How Germany flattened the curve', no they didn't. They had bought up all available ventilators since January, now that they have increased numbers they too will be running out of equipment and death rate will increase.

A woman died in New Zealand..

growleaves

Open Letter from Professor Sucharit Bhakdi to German Chancellor Dr. Angela Merkel

What happens to the professor if he's wrong? Does Angela write him a strongly worded open letter saying his advice was poor?

Wrong about what?

The part I assume you object to is where he asks the Federal Government "to develop strategies that effectively protect risk groups without restricting public life across the board" - basically just a call for dynamic creativity in public policy, to hopefully prevent massive suffering in Germany and across the world where possible.

Did you read the whole letter? Most of it is simply seeking scientific rigour and clarification re: the technical aspects of the medical data, and for the statistics to be interpreted honestly.

For instance he asks for a random sample of the healthy general population to validate the real spread of the virus. This would be doable. (A poster on this thread suggested it.) There's no reason not to do it. (Is there?)

For distinctions to be made between the disease and the infection insofar as it affects sufferers.

For a scientific comparison of Covid-19 to other coronavirus infections, and context and perspective to be gained. (This is already being worked on by the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.)

For distinctions to be made between deaths caused by the virus as opposed to deaths co-existent with the virus. As a poster said upthread 'We're not privy to that information'. There's no reason for medical data to be kept secret.

Gods Gift

wakka12 wrote: »

First day in a long time that the global total was not larger than the day before. 57.5k new cases today vs 66.7k new cases yesterday

Large drops in cases in Italy, France, USA, Switzerland, Austria, compared to yesterday

Take your positivity somewhere else.

Mr Positive Pants.

From planet Positivity

xtal191

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Total cases: 122,653
Total deaths: 2,112

US has surpassed Italy and Spain

Not in deaths

V8 Interceptor

Genesis Lively Trigonometry wrote: »

A woman died in New Zealand..

Tragic. However just one death. They're doing a hell of a lot better than we are.

cj maxx

MD1990 wrote: »

Trump says Fauci and Birx have become "big stars."
& he is getting better ratings the MNF in the US.

this is the president of the Unted States.
Seems like it is all a big movie to him.

That's it about Trump. It's all a big TV show to him .I don't think he realises it for real

V8 Interceptor

Genesis Lively Trigonometry wrote: »

A woman died in New Zealand..

Tragic. However just one death. They're doing a hell of a lot better than us.

Talisman

crossman47 wrote: »

They have tested 33,000 in about 13 days so, allowing for a slow start, they must be at 5000 now.

The 33,000 number hasn't been attributed to anyone. I believe it refers to swabs as opposed to tests being processed in labs because if you read what was written in the Irish Times article that is the context in which it was presented.

Coronavirus: Ten more deaths confirmed in Republic (Irish Times, March 29)

The HSE disclosed that 15,500 people are waiting to be tested for Covid-19 since the Government changed the criteria for testing to people displaying two symptoms of the infection. There are 5,000 tests being carried out every day.

More than 33,000 people have been tested since March 16th.

The HSE has 46 testing centres in operation and a further six will come on stream next week. Up to 60,000 testing kits have been delivered and a further 100,000 will be delivered each week.

The mislabeling of the community sampling centres as testing centres has allowed such ambiguity to develop. It sounds theoretically possible for the country to process that many swabs daily, if the resources (labs, scientists and materials) are available but we don't have that capacity yet.

Everything You Need to Know About Coronavirus Testing (Wired, March 16)

The test itself only takes about a day to run if you have all the required reagents.

Challenges to source enough swabs as testing increases ‘will soon settle down’ (Irish Times, March 18)

The NRVL is operating on a seven-day basis, with two teams working 12-hour days. This has enabled coronavirus testing to be scaled up from 30 samples a day in early February to 900 a day.

“They have been fantastic,” said Dr de Gascun. “We have been trying to manage the burden on staff so they don’t get sick.”

The facility conducts up to 15,000 tests during a typical flu season, with an annual throughput of 360,000 samples a year. The widespread use of “high throughput automated analysers” allowed a lot of tests to be conducted at any one time.

Dr de Gascun said the coronavirus test was more cumbersome, requiring more manual input. However, high throughput technology for it was expected to become available in four to six weeks.

4-6 weeks -> last 2 weeks of April.

Here is how Cillian de Gascun explained the new process working:

Hospitals would concentrate on testing for those who were sickest and on their own staff, which would take 12 to 36 hours to fully process. The NVRL community testing with the ambulance service would take three to five days, and concentrate on otherwise well individuals.

The following day, Simon Harris proclaimed on national radio that 15,000 tests a day would be carried out in the next few days. It was a pie in the sky number.

Ireland will continue to 'test, test, test', as 15,000 Covid-19 tests set to be carried out daily (RTE, March 19)

The official story from the HSE last weekend was that there would be 4,000 results processed daily from last Monday. The Irish Times reported on Tuesday, that 1,500-2,000 test results come from the labs daily due to kit shortages.

Coronavirus test backlog: How did it emerge and can it be controlled? (Irish Times, March 24)

In the context of what de Gascun said on March 18, I find the idea of there being 5,000 test swabs processed in Ireland each day dubious. By March 17, there had been 6,636 tests. I haven't seen an actual number reported since then.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1239979449132646400

In contrast to the ambiguity that we have been presented with Finland distinguishes between the samples and the tests.

Finland : Coronavirus COVID-19 – Latest Updates

Updated on 27 March at 18:00.

COVID-19 cases diagnosed in Finland

By 9.30 on the 27 March, a total of 1,025 laboratory-confirmed cases of the new coronavirus (COVID-19) have been diagnosed in Finland.

Corona sampling in Finland

By 27 March, nearly 18,000 samples meeting the sampling criteria have been tested in Finland. There may still be delays in the reporting and recording of samples in the National Infectious Diseases Register.

Jinglejangle69

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Tragic. However just one death. They're doing a hell of a lot better than us.

Zzzzzz

froog

growleaves wrote: »

Wrong about what?

The part I assume you object to is where he asks the Federal Government "to develop strategies that effectively protect risk groups without restricting public life across the board" - basically just a call for dynamic creativity in public policy, to hopefully prevent massive suffering in Germany and across the world where possible.

Did you read the whole letter? Most of it is simply seeking scientific rigour and clarification re: the technical aspects of the medical data, and for the statistics to be interpreted honestly.

For instance he asks for a random sample of the healthy general population to validate the real spread of the virus. This would be doable. (A poster on this thread suggested it.) There's no reason not to do it. (Is there?)

For distinctions to be made between the disease and the infection insofar as it affects sufferers.

For a scientific comparison of Covid-19 to other coronavirus infections, and context and perspective to be gained. (This is already being worked on by the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.)

For distinctions to be made between deaths caused by the virus as opposed to deaths co-existent with the virus. As a poster said upthread 'We're not privy to that information'. There's no reason for medical data to be kept secret.

that professors whole theory is that this thing is completely harmless and the whole thing is a massive hysterical overreaction.

while they are running out of room in mortuaries around the world.

V8 Interceptor

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Zzzzzz

I'm sorry the dozens of people who've died here makes you bored to the point of sleep.

Gods Gift

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Tragic. However just one death. They're doing a hell of a lot better than us.

Exponential growth.

Lord Trollington

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Total cases: 122,653
Total deaths: 2,112

US has surpassed Italy and Spain

Not quite yet. USA have 5 times the population of Italy and Spain. And they are a bit behind in terms of the curve etc.

But for them it will explode in the next 2 weeks. Its only starting out for them really. They will have the highest number of deaths eventually if they report the correct figures of course .

UK won't be far behind

V8 Interceptor

Gods Gift wrote: »

Exponential growth.

That's an economist's term innit?

V8 Interceptor

Lord Trollington wrote: »

They will have the highest number of deaths eventually if they report the correct figures of course .

UK won't be far behind

The UK will bypass Italy?!!

GooglePlus

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The UK will bypass Italy?!!

It's a possibility

sydthebeat

In two days more Americans will have died from this virus than died in 9/11

Sobering thought

shocksy

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The UK will bypass Italy?!!

I think it's quite possible yes.

A few weeks from now I think they'll be very close to Italy's current figure.