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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #8972
    Talisman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Talisman


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I asked this question last night. Does flu have the same complications as COVID-19. I.e. Do most people who die of the flu end up with breathing difficulties and pneumonia thus need ventilation or do they die of other complications?
    The flu virus itself can cause death because the lungs become inflamed. Inflammation is the body's natural response to infection. Severe inflammation of the lungs causes respiratory failure and the patient dies without medical intervention.

    Pneumonia can occur after a person has had a cold or the flu. In this case it's generally a bacterial infection which can be treated with antibiotics.


  • #8973
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1243522598878789632

    Yes.


  • #8974
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    My mother just told me she was in Tesco yesterday and was chatting to the cashier when a couple of men paid for a few items and LICKED the notes before handing them to the cashier. POND SCUM. :mad::mad::mad:

    Disgusting!


  • #8975
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    everything the HSE do is telling us what will happen in the future nothing about what will happen now. We dont know how many have been tested or how many tests there are per day. They seem more at home with spin than with doing things.

    When the plane lands with the gear at the airport it will be like the HSE have found a cure, their media spin will be off the charts.

    If you watched their press conference this morning you'd now know how many are awaiting tests and the number done daily. They were very clear and precise about it. And they spoke openly about the PPE supply issue.


  • #8976
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    bekker wrote: »
    US and UK attempting to transfer attention from their own failures to China.
    They're all at it, US, UK, China. All with longer histories than most when it comes to "massaging" the truth and spreading guff. To western eyes the Chinese are amateur hour at it, mainly because we got used to spotting more honed propaganda from places like the US and the Chinese were easier to convince within China for so long, so they could be clumsy and still get away with it. Or "disappear" questioners.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #8977
    Marsden35
    Site Banned Posts: 93 ✭✭Marsden35


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Death rate of flu is about 0.2%
    Death rate of Covid-19 is about 3%

    Dr. Fauci is not very good at mathematics if he thinks that 3% is twice 0.2%

    Also far more people are likely to get Covid-19 than flu given that the R0 of seasonal flu is between 0.9–2.1, and Covid-19 is 1.4–3.9.

    This information is easily available.

    It will be nowhere near that once the dust settles. I think South Korea is at 0.4%


  • #8978
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    bilston wrote: »
    Sounds like elements within the UK govt are attempting to make political capital over the decision to allow Huawei into the UK 5G network.

    That said there can't be many of us who really believe the Chinese statistics.

    Any government that isn't seriously reassessing their relationship with China at the moment is craven.

    Ireland should be among a bloc of European countries getting tough on the CCP. As their global ambitions for economic hegemony grow, their behaviour will come into focus even more. I think it's time for pushback.


  • #8979
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    My mother just told me she was in Tesco yesterday and was chatting to the cashier when a couple of men paid for a few items and LICKED the notes before handing them to the cashier. POND SCUM. :mad::mad::mad:

    Sounds like the Corona virus challenge, for people with no morals, sense or deserving of a place in society.


  • #8980
    regedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭regedit


    branie2 wrote: »
    Disgusting!

    There's ample security in Tesco's these days. The cashier should have had the common sense to call the manager who in turn would have called security and Gardai.


  • #8981
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    I never got that or the booklet.

    Anyone else not get them?

    I assume that everybody will receive them over the next week.


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  • #8982
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    I never got that or the booklet.

    Anyone else not get them?

    I didn't get them, North Dublin, don't want them either, total waste of time and resources .


  • #8983
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The surge in support for FG shows that if you do a really bad job and do very little to stop a virus taking hold of a country, it has political benefits.
    The crisis can be used to brainwash people when they had and are doing a bad job.
    It is a reward for the failure that has led us to this position.
    Not enough ICU beds, medical equipment, PPE etc, but they talk well, lets forget they helped make this happen through inaction...

    The same is happening in other countries, failure is being rewarded.


    Yes they didn't do a great job looking after healthcare.
    Yes they didn't invest more.

    But how they've handled this crisis has been excellent in my opinion.
    So many working tirelessly. Harris, who I wasn't a big fan of before, has risen massively.


  • #8984
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    beolight wrote: »
    This is the real reason for restricting the criteria they don't have enough reagent for the test kits or perhaps the new testing kits they got were dodgy or didnt include the reagent!!

    All questions about the new criteria were deflected with the new spin that are testing regime is one the highest in the world

    Spin Spin Spin is all we get when all we are asking for is transparency every supplychain issue can easily be answered by referring to worldwide shortage the public can accept that .... but the Public can not be trusted with this information

    The HSE/ Dept of Health / Health Minister/ CMO etc etc clearly knew that supplies of testing kits were running low ..... we had Doctors using Twitter to urge any medical practices with spare kits even ones past their expiry date to return them to St Vincents Hospital

    but nobody taught to tell the public,the anxious people awaiting tests of this supply issue.... to stand down the staff manning these testing stations and redirect them to more urgent areas or simply give them the day off

    Drop the Spin Simon, Leo, HSE, Dept of Health just be honest with us

    It's too easy to retrospectively poke holes in decisions that are/were made under pressure.

    Your analysis is ultimately correct. But a decision was taken based on the information available at hand.

    But, I am personally relieved that you are poking holes in decisions being made at this level of details. Things would be a lot worse if were trying to poke holes in BoJo/Trump type decisions.


  • #8985
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Marsden35 wrote: »
    It will be nowhere near that once the dust settles. I think South Korea is at 0.4%

    Currently the death rate in Italy is 10%.

    I think 3% is a decent figure for the moment, based on the widest data currently available.


  • #8986
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    I see a poster whining about how the Government is handling this crisis. All I can say is I would rather be here than in the UK or the USA. Yes the Government have made mistakes but the said poster also omitted the extent to which idiotic behaviour by people, i.e. going to cheltenham, also contributed to the crisis we are living through. I think our Government is doing right by the country and us as a people.


  • #8987
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Any government that isn't seriously reassessing their relationship with China at the moment is craven.

    Ireland should be among a bloc of European countries getting tough on the CCP. As their global ambitions for economic hegemony grow, their behaviour will come into focus even more. I think it's time for pushback.

    Ireland is just buying more from them...PPE.

    The Netherlands bought PPE from China which was defective, Ireland is buying hundreds of millions of euro worth...quality better be checked.


  • #8988
    Wibbs
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    regedit wrote: »
    There's ample security in Tesco's these days. The cashier should have had the common sense to call the manager who in turn would have called security and Gardai.
    and beaten them to a quivering pulp. Slight tweak on my part.. :D

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #8989
    CiarraiAbu2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭CiarraiAbu2


    regedit wrote: »
    There's ample security in Tesco's these days. The cashier should have had the common sense to call the manager who in turn would have called security and Gardai.

    Should have refused to take the money, banned for life too.


  • #8990
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Something like over 50000 die from flu in the US.

    For context:

    Influenza - estimated 650,000 deaths per year

    Asian Flu - estimated 2 million deaths

    Encephalitis lethargica - estimated 1.5 million deaths

    Swine Flu - estimated between 150 and 500,000 deaths


  • #8991
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    That's exactly what we need, an ego driving research, a claim been pushed through without adequate testing or, worse, hidden side-effects, fast-tracked FDA approval, and the same 97% of non-postivie test recipients lining to be injected by whatever it is that the mad pharma/scientist wanted to be first to market with.

    Ego drives a lot of research always. The scientist driven solely by altruism is a sweet thought but isn’t really the reality. Make no mistake, scientists are competitive and can be as cutthroat as anyone else. It’s a good thing. It means that they pour over each other’s work looking for mistakes. It’s a kind of self-regulation.


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  • #8992
    gormdubhgorm
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    Fakediamond wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU

    An absolute must watch from start to finish...

    That Asian humbleness seems to have served them well. The bit I took out of it was, in the Western world we all should be wearing masks even if we don't have covid19. And the Western doctors were wrong when they said it does not make a difference.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #8993
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    Marsden35 wrote: »
    If psoriasis counts as an underlying condition, then we're all f*cked. I've got sinus issues and take a steroid nasal spray, but discontinued use as soon as the first case was confirmed in the UK. Got my wits about me ;)

    Psoriasis/Psoriatic Arthritis is often treated with biologics and/or methotrexate. Both of which are immunosuppressive.


  • #8994
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    holyhead wrote: »
    I see a poster whining about how the Government is handling this crisis. All I can say is I would rather be here than in the UK or the USA. Yes the Government have made mistakes but the said poster also omitted the extent to which idiotic behaviour by people, i.e. going to cheltenham, also contributed to the crisis we are living through. I think our Government is doing right by the country and us as a people.

    Every 20 posts or so someone compares the U.K. to Ireland. The two cannot be compared different population sizes and density. No idea about Cheltenham but the first case in Northern Ireland travelled through Dublin airport as Ireland had not closed it's border. There is no right or wrong approach in this crisis. These comparisons are not helpful. Edit: What I mean is the WHO has stated that inaction has been the worst thing that any country can do the failure to have any type of plan.


  • #8995
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    So somewhere around 2x as deadly as flu.

    Dunno what flu stats you were looking at?
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
    12000-60,000 deaths in the US from flu annually. Significantly more than twice as deadly as flu going by the 100-200k death estimate form the coronavirus pandemic in the US. So between a minimum of 3x times and up to 16x times as deadly, thats with major interventions to stop the spread


  • #8996
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    holyhead wrote: »
    I see a poster whining about how the Government is handling this crisis. All I can say is I would rather be here than in the UK or the USA. Yes the Government have made mistakes but the said poster also omitted the extent to which idiotic behaviour by people, i.e. going to cheltenham, also contributed to the crisis we are living through. I think our Government is doing right by the country and us as a people.

    What advice did the government issue on Cheltenham?

    What did the government do to stop Irish horse trainers taking their horses to Cheltenham?

    Nothing because the government allowed this crisis to be much worse than necessary.

    Like saying it was fine for thousands of Italians to enter the country unscreened during the Ireland v Italy match that was called off.

    Simon Harris :
    RESTRICTING FLIGHTS ARRIVING from northern Italy “wouldn’t be effective”, according to Health Minister Simon Harris.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-travel-5032358-Mar2020/


    It took Ryanair and Aer Lingus to stop the flights. It is not like they couldn't have been put into 14 days quarantine.
    But Simon Harris is doing a great job...yes contribute to the crisis and then have all the people who are asleep praising him.
    Speaking about why the Italy versus Ireland Six Nations game was called off, but the restriction of flights from Italy has not been announced, Harris said suspending the rugby game was a specific decision made due to it involving a large number of people from the affected area congregating in confined space for a prolonged period of time.

    He said there is not the same risk with people travelling from areas of Italy who are “out and about” in open spaces, adding that there is no travel ban currently in the EU.


  • #8997
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    So you'd have no issue at all if your entire family is wiped out in a fortnight? What's the point of living at all in that case?

    For some people money is life.

    My dad did work on a stockbrokers house in the late 70s early 80s, an apprentice on the job asked him for tips on making money and the broker told him to take his tools and throw them in the nearest river as he would only make it by buying and selling.

    I don't know what happened to the apprentice apart from he emigrated to Australia, but the broker ended up killing himself after his investments went tits up.


  • #8998
    dublin99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Spain returning faulty test kits from China:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160931/Spain-returns-faulty-coronavirus-testing-kits-bought-Chinese-company.html

    Holland recalls poor quality (fake?) masks from China:

    https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/29/netherlands-recalls-hundreds-of-thousands-of-defective-chinese-face-masks

    Lots of these sweatshop type "sub contractors" producing face masks all over Asia. Look at this one in India:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAWNautQMA

    Do we assume the Chinese PPE are all up to standards?


  • #8999
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    holyhead wrote: »
    I see a poster whining about how the Government is handling this crisis. All I can say is I would rather be here than in the UK or the USA. Yes the Government have made mistakes but the said poster also omitted the extent to which idiotic behaviour by people, i.e. going to cheltenham, also contributed to the crisis we are living through. I think our Government is doing right by the country and us as a people.

    Whatever gives you hope. I trust you will remember this period when the austerity inevitably comes with the bill. Pay the piper and all that.

    People always say well I wouldn't like to be in the US or UK right now (Trump and Boris) . Would you rather be in Italy or Spain? Never seems to be mentioned


  • #9000
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    My mother just told me she was in Tesco yesterday and was chatting to the cashier when a couple of men paid for a few items and LICKED the notes before handing them to the cashier. POND SCUM. :mad::mad::mad:

    Where? Presume security guard and Garda were called?


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  • #9001
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Inquitus wrote: »
    I think there is enough evidence that China is playing fast and loose with its numbers, they don't count asymptomatic positives for instance.
    And we don't even test them.

    China may have different methodologies, China may well be glossing figures, unfortunately that is not an uncommon reaction in face of potential adverse criticism.

    China may have deliberately under reported cases but so is everybody, testing is by and large based on self-reporting and even deliberate screen testing can have a high number of 'not positive' results, no such thing as a 'negative result'.


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