CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

SharpshooterTom · 29-03-2020 03:07PM

Does anyone find the figures in Iran a bit iffy?

They had +129 deaths back in March 16th, and today they're at +123.

They've been constantly in the 120-150 range for 2 straight weeks. It's just looks weird compared other countries in Europe and North America, no exponential rise.

JP Liz V1 · 29-03-2020 03:08PM

pjohnson wrote: »

88 in ICU would be cumulative again? So why say in ICU today?

The figures are a mess.

Is 88 in ICU today's number?

wakka12 · 29-03-2020 03:08PM

expectationlost wrote: »

do we run out of ICU beds for flu (plus complications) patients in normal (bad) flu year?

No, flu would kill a maximum of 500 in a really bad flu year in Ireland. Generally its around 350 or so a year
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

FVP3 · 29-03-2020 03:08PM

pjohnson wrote: »

88 in ICU would be cumulative again? So why say in ICU today?

The figures are a mess.

Cumulative is pointless. Utterly useless.

woohoo!!! · 29-03-2020 03:09PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Does find the figures in Iran a bit iffy?

They had +129 deaths back in March 16th, and today they're at +123.

They've been constantly in the 120-150 range for 2 straight weeks. It's just looks weird compared other countries in Europe and North America, no exponential rise.

No doubt that they're lying to save their necks

Cork Boy 53 · 29-03-2020 03:09PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Where are the test kits coming from, China? Can Ireland not manufacture any?

No, the equipment coming from China is PPE (face masks, gloves, goggles etc). No testing kits are coming from there on the flights.

BLIZZARD7 · 29-03-2020 03:09PM

pjohnson wrote: »

88 in ICU would be cumulative again? So why say in ICU today?

The figures are a mess.

Where does it say they are cumulative? That would seem pointless indeed.

JP Liz V1 · 29-03-2020 03:09PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I think shops need to implement a new policy. Something like - if you touch, you buy policy or to put it another way - buy what you touch.

But if you need to look at ingredients or best before date

JP Liz V1 · 29-03-2020 03:09PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I think shops need to implement a new policy. Something like - if you touch, you buy policy or to put it another way - buy what you touch.

But if you need to look at ingredients or best before date

FVP3 · 29-03-2020 03:10PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

One wonders how China got this under control so quick when other no European countries could, they didn't even go through a prolonged flattening phase, it's was down as quickly as it was up. Miraculous really.

A full on totalitarian lockdown brought in when they had a few hundred cases. Next.

This thread is full of people not believing the figures from countries they dont like.

kilkenny31 · 29-03-2020 03:10PM

wakka12 wrote: »

No, flu would kill a maximum of 500 in a really bad flu year in Ireland. Generally its between 350 or so a year
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

I asked this question last night. Does flu have the same complications as COVID-19. I.e. Do most people who die of the flu end up with breathing difficulties and pneumonia thus need ventilation or do they die of other complications?

threeball · 29-03-2020 03:10PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The world's most "developed" nation.
We have some serious rethinking to do.

That's just propaganda and spin. It's the most unequal society on earth. Pockets of unimaginable wealth only a thousand meters from areas that wouldn't be a miss in sub Saharan Africa. Entire third world cities within first world cities. It's one of the reasons America will be decimated, no help for these people. A woman who had insurance was still landed with a 31k hospital bill the other day as her cover wasn't wide enough.

JP Liz V1 · 29-03-2020 03:11PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No, the equipment coming from China is PPE (face masks, gloves, goggles etc). No testing kits are coming from there on the flights.

Where does test kits come from so?

blackcard · 29-03-2020 03:11PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is 88 in ICU today's number?

The statement from the HSE today stated that there are 88 people in ICU today so not a cumulative figure

JP Liz V1 · 29-03-2020 03:11PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No, the equipment coming from China is PPE (face masks, gloves, goggles etc). No testing kits are coming from there on the flights.

Where does test kits come from so?

briany · 29-03-2020 03:11PM

What will Christmas look like in the wake of Coronavirus? We could be looking at something of a depressed economy at that time, but also because so many have missed lots of work and school, might those couple of weeks be treated just as a normal work/school period for everyone and not just those who work Christmas anyway?

froog · 29-03-2020 03:11PM

it's not cumulative, there is 88 in ICU right now.

Cork Boy 53 · 29-03-2020 03:11PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is 88 in ICU today's number?

I understood that it was cumulative although other posters are claiming that it`s the current number.

BailMeOut · 29-03-2020 03:12PM

Irish Times two hours ago

The State’s highest-ranking healthcare officials, at a briefing on Sunday morning, said there were up to 1,200 ICU beds in the country’s public and private hospitals. But they were unable to say by how much ICU capacity in the system could be exceeded by in a surge of severe Covid-19 infections.

There are currently 88 critically ill patients with Covid-19 in ICU beds, of which 66 per cent are in Dublin hospitals. This is almost a seven-fold increase in the past 10 days.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-hse-braces-for-possible-peak-of-covid-19-cases-in-mid-april-1.4215029

29-03-2020 03:12PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Where does it say they are cumulative? That would seem pointless indeed.

Every other time they have released ICU numbers it has been cumulative, it’s being incorrectly reported everywhere as “in ICU today” but if you actually read the reports from the health emergency team it indicates this is a cumulative number since the beginning and pointless really as far as capacity is concerned.

The wouldn’t be surprised if the irish times article above was incorrect also but as I haven’t see the official working for the numbers given today I can’t be sure.

wakka12 · 29-03-2020 03:13PM

Its hardly cumulative is it, that just seems beyond stupid to report it that way

pjohnson · 29-03-2020 03:14PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is 88 in ICU today's number?

Yesterday (thursday's figure) was cumulative and in the 50's so take away a few of the deaths and youd be in the 40's or less so unless there was 50+ cases today alone I cant see how 88 is the current figure.......

expectationlost · 29-03-2020 03:14PM

iguana wrote: »

But it's not wrong to test as many people as possible. That's exactly the right thing to do. What they got wrong was not having a fraction of the necessary testing capability. When they couldn't hide that, they didn't hold their hands up and say, 'sorry, we can't test like we should so we have to triage people waiting for tests far more stringently.' They just made out that it was the fault of the people with symptoms.

well if you listened to the briefing the CMO was more willing to say he got it wrong, it was one of the briefings, it was others who less clear about where the blame lay.

march 24th briefing

https://www.pscp.tv/rtenews/1vAxRBXVEoXxl at 19 minutes

although they are all saying its up to yous to isolate, not up to us have provided enough ICU beds even before this crisis...

OscarMIlde · 29-03-2020 03:14PM

iguana wrote: »

But it's not wrong to test as many people as possible. That's exactly the right thing to do. What they got wrong was not having a fraction of the necessary testing capability. When they couldn't hide that, they didn't hold their hands up and say, 'sorry, we can't test like we should so we have to triage people waiting for tests far more stringently.' They just made out that it was the fault of the people with symptoms.

These kits have expiry dates. The reagents for RT-PCR are very expensive and some components have to be stored in -20C freezers. The NVRL and other testing labs would have been buying at their usual capacity until recently. Now there is a surge in demand for these components worldwide, and manufacturing is struggling to keep up. It's not really fair to blame the labs if stock is taking longer to reach them or orders are not being fully fulfilled.

timmy_mallet · 29-03-2020 03:15PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Right now, I am really banking on the competitiveness of scientists (which many are) to drive the research in coronavirus. Whoever makes the big breakthrough will be a hero. C’mon, scientists, let your egos push you! You know you want that acclaim.

That's exactly what we need, an ego driving research, a claim been pushed through without adequate testing or, worse, hidden side-effects, fast-tracked FDA approval, and the same 97% of non-postivie test recipients lining to be injected by whatever it is that the mad pharma/scientist wanted to be first to market with.

froog · 29-03-2020 03:15PM

BailMeOut wrote: »

Irish Times two hours ago

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-hse-braces-for-possible-peak-of-covid-19-cases-in-mid-april-1.4215029

1200 ICU beds? that's great news.

redarmy · 29-03-2020 03:15PM

Six more Covid-19 deaths in Northern Ireland

expectationlost · 29-03-2020 03:15PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I understood that it was cumulative although other posters are claiming that it`s the current number.

again in the briefing they said "88 today" https://www.pscp.tv/rtenews/1RDGlQRXwmMJL
although the phrase used in the docs is ICU admissions (to date) https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/COVID-19%20Epidemiology%20report%20for%20NPHET%2028.03.2020v1.0_website%20version.pdf

threeball · 29-03-2020 03:17PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

That's exactly what we need, an ego driving research, a claim been pushed through without adequate testing or, worse, hidden side-effects, fast-tracked FDA approval, and the same 97% of non-postivie test recipients lining to be injected by whatever it is that the mad pharma/scientist wanted to be first to market with.

I'll be at the back of that queue thanks very much

29-03-2020 03:17PM

briany wrote: »

What will Christmas look like in the wake of Coronavirus? We could be looking at something of a depressed economy at that time, but also because so many have missed lots of work and school, might those couple of weeks be treated just as a normal work/school period for everyone and not just those who work Christmas anyway?

Odd thing to worry about in March...
But Christmas will still be Christmas. We’re not going to keep the kids locked in for weeks or months and then tell them Santa isn’t real.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03