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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #8762
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,606 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Does 10000 cases by mid April sound plausible?


  • #8763
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Anything positive to say about the HSE/Government/ Ireland/the Universe? Anything at all?

    It’s remarkable how some people just want to complain about everything. We are in a crisis scenario, what is there to like? This is all about the least worse outcome being achieved with the limited resources we have (that everybody else in the world is also trying to get).

    There is no conspiracy, we are in a crisis that most countries are struggling to manage. Resources will be stretched and we will have to make decisions based on the resources we have, not the imaginary resources people who excel at hindsight think we should of had.

    For me the most important thing is that it looks like , so far, our government/authorities has tried to stay two steps ahead of this with as much testing as they can do and by slowly implementing measures in stages (whereas other countries left it too late and made severe restrictions quicker).

    You do wonder how many have an agenda to try and undermine what our authorities are trying to do and who will complain regardless of what happens. Then changing the test criteria to focus more on obvious cases made sense, particularly if they were running short on tests but still some people complained.

    Overall, very happy with our government and authorities. I spent a lot more time in earlier threads when I had huge issues with Ireland’s slow response. Since the Parade was cancelled I’ve been more relaxed and feeling less need to be in here where there appears to be an awful lot of lost souls with nothing better to do then point out all that’s wrong.


  • #8764
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Where did the HSE/our government/authorities source the incoming PPE? I know it's coming from china but is the source genuine?


    Will some boxes be opened asap for some sort of a quality check?

    The flight hasn`t landed at Dublin Airport yet. If the equipment is faulty it will come to light soon enough.


  • #8765
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Where did the HSE/our government/authorities source the incoming PPE? I know it's coming from china but is the source genuine?


    Will some boxes be opened asap for some sort of a quality check?

    Arrangements were made with close cooperation from the chinese embassy here. There should be more of a chance of all being OK.


  • #8766
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I don't want to go back reading pages and pages and I don't think it was mentioned how much masks someone might go through if they're sick. I'm making my own but don't know how much to make.

    If your sick why do you need masks, stay the feck at home


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  • #8767
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,510 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    You don't just find lots of cargo planes lying around....
    i thought that was what Ireland was known for


  • #8768
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Nobody is perfect that is true but how come we have now suspended testing at many centers? How come there are no figures for the amount that have been tested and are being tested per day. How do you know we are testing more than other countries if we have no official numbers?

    How come you keep annoying us with the same questions that there are no answers for?


  • #8769
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    If they took the seats out they could have carried more. I'd imagine the hull is packed too so maybe they are at capacity. Still would have gotten more in without the seats although perhaps if they were to experience turbulence the packages needed to be anchored down.
    Yes good point. Arguing with myself now. Yes
    A plane has a limit of how much weight it can safely carry. Possibly they are at that limit and sure by taking out the seats they could have replaced the seat weight with cargo weight, but maybe the cost and trouble were not worth it for the increase in cargo weight when they can just send more planes.


  • #8770
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    can you point me to the official numbers for that claim.

    5k a day is mentioned on today's rte tracker. If you look back on rte player for rte news now around 11-11:30 I'm sure you can watch the press conference.

    2000 tests a day was mentioned on Tuesday evening's press conference I think there's quotes here.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-test-backlog-how-did-it-emerge-and-can-it-be-controlled-1.4210269%3fmode=amp


  • #8771
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    If they took the seats out they could have carried more.
    From what I was told by someone directly involved with those flights they did take seats out. They're designed to be removed quite easily.
    FVP3 wrote: »
    Seriously where do you people come from? What's Putin got to do with the outbreak in China? And why shouldn't he be quiet? Whats he going to say about US and western incompetence?.

    Its like trailer park America in here.

    There's a clear link between the Trump supporters and the attacks on both China and Irish handling of this. The doom merchants for Ireland who think the government didn't act quickly are often cheer leaders for the orange buffoon.
    Well I think Trump is a dangerous thundering idiot, a snake oil salesman that has hijacked too many American's minds. I can't imagine a worse person to be in charge of a crisis like this and because of him many many Americans will die that shouldn't have.

    I think Ireland is handling this extremely well and our demographics, population density and overall social compliance will IMHO make this one of the better western nations to be in to weather this emergency. Hell we're the only country in Europe that can still feed our population locally. Not too bad for a nation that once nearly starved to death. The government and the health service have so far played a blinder and our losses, though personally sad are still very low. I'd certainly much rather be living here than anywhere else in Europe I can think of.

    Yet I think China specifically the Chinese government are a bunch of lying corrupt face saving bastards overseeing a totalitarian Orwellian state with a low value for human life, once it's not their own or their friends in the system.

    So how does that work for your China is Great defence playbook?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #8772
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Testing cancelled in Cork City today.
    https://twitter.com/redfmnews/status/1244245614420000769?s=21

    Stark reminder that a large percentage of the Irish population are hypochondriacs.


  • #8773
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Drumpot wrote: »
    It’s remarkable how some people just want to complain about everything.

    There is no conspiracy, we are in a crisis that most countries are struggling to manage. Resources will be stretched and we will have to make decisions based on the resources we have, not the imaginary resources people who excel at hindsight think we should of had.

    For me the most important thing is that it looks like , so far, our government/authorities has tried to stay two steps ahead of this with as much testing as they can do and by slowly implementing measures in stages (whereas other countries left it too late and made severe restrictions quicker).

    You do wonder how many have an agenda to try and undermine what our authorities are trying to do and who will complain regardless of what happens. Then changing the test criteria to focus more on obvious cases made sense, particularly if they were running short on tests but still some people complained.

    Overall, very happy with our government and authorities. I spent a lot more time in earlier threads when I had huge issues with Ireland’s slow response. Since the Parade was cancelled I’ve been more relaxed and feeling less need to be in here where there appears to be an awful lot of lost souls with nothing better to do then point out all that’s wrong.

    Agree. It is one of the most important things in society that public bodies are criticized and taken apart when they do something wrong.

    What is not helpful is fake bull**** posing as criticism when things have been done well, that is just toxic and potentially harmful.


  • #8774
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,510 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Stark reminder that a large percentage of the Irish population are hypochondriacs.
    the CMO admitted they got it wrong by telling people with only one symptom to go for testing


  • #8775
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Fine Gael seeing a 14 point jump in the polls.
    Johnson in the UK is also polling well.
    Even trump's approval rating is up.

    It seems like just about every government around the world, bar some notable exceptions, is doing well in the polls.

    I think it's all caused by the same human feature - denial.
    Countless people are telling themselves "oh I think they're doing a great job" simply because the alternative is too scary to handle.


  • #8776
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    fritzelly wrote: »
    If your sick why do you need masks, stay the feck at home

    Maybe to stop infection spreading to people you live with?


  • #8777
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    The scenes in India are worrying. 10s of thousands crammed together trying to get on to buses and trains only to spread the virus to remote villages with no medical facilities. Incredibly badly handled and it's being replicated across the developing world


  • #8778
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062806&page=61

    That is from another thread. Its pretty obvious that the testing system is not fit for purpose but the government don't want to tell people. They need to be clear if things are not working out but the HSE have a history of cover ups.

    This is the real reason for restricting the criteria they don't have enough reagent for the test kits or perhaps the new testing kits they got were dodgy or didnt include the reagent!!

    All questions about the new criteria were deflected with the new spin that are testing regime is one the highest in the world

    Spin Spin Spin is all we get when all we are asking for is transparency every supplychain issue can easily be answered by referring to worldwide shortage the public can accept that .... but the Public can not be trusted with this information

    The HSE/ Dept of Health / Health Minister/ CMO etc etc clearly knew that supplies of testing kits were running low ..... we had Doctors using Twitter to urge any medical practices with spare kits even ones past their expiry date to return them to St Vincents Hospital

    but nobody taught to tell the public,the anxious people awaiting tests of this supply issue.... to stand down the staff manning these testing stations and redirect them to more urgent areas or simply give them the day off

    Drop the Spin Simon, Leo, HSE, Dept of Health just be honest with us


  • #8779
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    expectationlost wrote: »
    the CMO admitted they got it wrong by telling people with only one symptom to go for testing

    If the percentage of positives after that advice changes, I'll admit I was wrong


  • #8780
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Hrududu wrote: »
    Maybe to stop infection spreading to people you live with?

    Too late if your already infected and living with them, listen to what Dr Holohan said


  • #8781
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    walshb wrote: »
    Does 10000 cases by mid April sound plausible?

    In reality we are above that figure right now.


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  • #8782
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Fine Gael seeing a 14 point jump in the polls.
    Johnson in the UK is also polling well.
    Even trump's approval rating is up.

    It seems like just about every government around the world, bar some notable exceptions, is doing well in the polls.

    I think it's all caused by the same human feature - denial.
    Countless people are telling themselves "oh I think they're doing a great job" simply because the alternative is too scary to handle.

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  • #8783
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    walshb wrote: »
    Does 10000 cases by mid April sound plausible?

    Who the fuçk knows. We don't have anything remotely close to sufficient testing capability in this country. I don't hugely blame the Department for Health for that, we were caught out by a situation we had no experience of and we didn't prepare well enough. It's understandable. But it means our case numbers are pretty much meaningless because we truly have nothing close to an accurate idea of infection rates or an accurate idea of what are the most occurring symptoms in mild cases. It means we are fully reliant on extremely blunt measures to slow the spread. And it means that the only figures we have to have any idea about how bad things are is our ICU admissions rate. But we haven't any real way to model growth of ICU need because we haven't clue how widespread the virus is.


  • #8784
    Marsden35
    Site Banned Posts: 93 ✭✭Marsden35


    What's tourism like in Ireland during January - March? I'd suspect low. I think this was an advantage Ireland and the likes of Sweden, Denmark and Norway have. Little in the way of seeding. You almost certainly won't see an Italy/Spain style outbreak in any of these countries. Although Sweden seems to be taking quite a lax attitude and may pay for it through community spread.


  • #8785
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    https://twitter.com/Dario_Donato/status/1244218753908461569?s=20


  • #8786
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    fritzelly wrote: »
    If your sick why do you need masks, stay the feck at home

    Eh, to prevent other people I'm living with from getting it.


  • #8787
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Biblical scenes from India on Sky News , as millions of migrant workers head back to their villages before the internal borders of India lock down.

    Yes. You read that right. They’re closing India’s internal borders. It’s like sealing off Dublin and Cork to prevent the Corona spread.


  • #8788
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Fine Gael seeing a 14 point jump in the polls.
    Johnson in the UK is also polling well.
    Even trump's approval rating is up.

    It seems like just about every government around the world, bar some notable exceptions, is doing well in the polls.

    I think it's all caused by the same human feature - denial.
    Countless people are telling themselves "oh I think they're doing a great job" simply because the alternative is too scary to handle.

    It's human nature and the "war time president" effect in every country in practice.


  • #8789
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Right now, I am really banking on the competitiveness of scientists (which many are) to drive the research in coronavirus. Whoever makes the big breakthrough will be a hero. C’mon, scientists, let your egos push you! You know you want that acclaim.


  • #8790
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    iguana wrote: »
    Who the fuçk knows. We don't have anything remotely close to sufficient testing capability in this country. I don't hugely blame the Department for Health for that, we were caught out by a situation we had no experience of and we didn't prepare well enough. It's understandable. But it means our case numbers are pretty much meaningless because we truly have nothing close to an accurate idea of infection rates or an accurate idea of what are the most occurring symptoms in mild cases. It means we are fully reliant on extremely blunt measures to slow the spread. And it means that the only figures we have to have any idea about how bad things are is our ICU admissions rate. But we haven't any real way to model growth of ICU need because we haven't clue how widespread the virus is.

    Whenever this ends, the only stat that will be remembered, and rightly so, is total deaths. Hopefully we can still reduce that count, with or without test kits. Stay in and you won't have to be tested.


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  • #8791
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    UK release full testing numbers so far.
    https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1244253460025036801?s=21


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