CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

ChikiChiki · 27-03-2020 06:20PM

vladmydad wrote: »

I agree with Sweden https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

Silly nonsensical approach that will cost lives.

AlmightyCushion · 27-03-2020 06:21PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The advice has not changed despite a surge of cases in Stockholm in recent days that led the city's health chief Bjorn Eriksson to call for any help he could get handling the influx of coronavirus patients.

"The storm is here," Mr Eriksson said, announcing 18 patients had died in the region in the past 24 hours, doubling its death tally in a single day.

yeah, real sensible. And it's early days yet.

The next line in the article shows there are plenty there against it as well.

More than 2,000 eminent Swedish researchers and university professors have sent an open letter to the government calling for tougher measures.

Xertz · 27-03-2020 06:21PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Not everyone critically ill at the moment has covid 19! Fever is a covid 19 symptom. It’s also a sepsis symptom. Sometimes you need to see the patient in front of you. The gravity might not be clear over the phone. I won’t judge anyone for taking themselves off to an A&E because they think something is seriously wrong. I’ve done it myself and was right to.

That’s the other issue. People will die due to being unable to access A&E services or by staying away as they’re afraid to approach them.

I could see a lot of people just attempting to grin and bear all sorts of symptoms. Nobody wants to go near a medical facility.

Strazdas · 27-03-2020 06:21PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The advice has not changed despite a surge of cases in Stockholm in recent days that led the city's health chief Bjorn Eriksson to call for any help he could get handling the influx of coronavirus patients.

"The storm is here," Mr Eriksson said, announcing 18 patients had died in the region in the past 24 hours, doubling its death tally in a single day.

yeah, real sensible. And it's early days yet.

I was reading last night that Swedish politicians are secretly starting to panic and wondering if they've made a ghastly mistake.

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 06:21PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

That exactly what they are doing ,

Would it be reasonable to say that around 10% of those with serious illness die?

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 06:22PM

Florida reports 416 new cases so far today

Florida is a tinder box if this takes hold there with its population of retired.

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 06:23PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I'm not sure how people can say we are flattening the curve at this early stage. Everyone will have a different opinion so.

Over 65s being given a sedative instead of a ventilator in Madrid. We have a small health service. We don't want to see that here

I think people are relieved that the rate of increase so far is a lot lower than earlier projected. Probably a while till they say the curve has been flattened.

paleoperson · 27-03-2020 06:23PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Would it be reasonable to say that around 10% of those with serious illness die?

I feel like there's no point in trying to argue with these people, they will just put their heads in the sand forever until someone close to them dies.

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 06:23PM

Italian figures by region. 3732 In ICU.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 06:23PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Would it be reasonable to say that around 10% of those with serious illness die?

I guess so ,
I read today 9 people from 30- 40 age bracket have died so far in Italy and 8 of them who they had data on had underlying conditions ,they didn't have data on the 9th ,

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 06:24PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I was reading last night that Swedish politicians are secretly starting to panic and wondering if they've made a ghastly mistake.

The UK and Swiss changed tack lightning quick. The Swedes have no choice or their hospitals will be overwhelmed.

josip · 27-03-2020 06:25PM

smallfryy wrote: »

I hope you're wrong too, in the nicest way possible.
Lots of posters here are saying our figures look like we are already flattening the curve.
Do you not agree with this?
I don't know what way to think at all.
My heart feels heavy for the Italians and Spanish today. I hate that they're in this nightmare.

It's too early to know if we're flattening the curve.
The 3 day moving average for ICU bed increases over recent days have been 41%, 33% and 24% so perhaps heading in the right direction but would need to see that continuing.
If ICU bed numbers announced tonight are less than 58, we're heading in the right direction.
More than 58 and our trajectory is somewhere between orange and red.
Also, the ICU numbers reported each day are for 36-41 hours earlier.

eagle eye · 27-03-2020 06:25PM

yourdeadwright wrote:

How can I possibly answer them questions ? You can't possibly answer them either ,but let me guess you'll predict there all bad answer but I'm not allowed predict there good ,

You made a statement and I questioned you.
I've made predictions which are that we will be lucky if we have under 100k infected and under 5k deaths.

ChikiChiki · 27-03-2020 06:26PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I was reading last night that Swedish politicians are secretly starting to panic and wondering if they've made a ghastly mistake.

What are they wondering for. There is a huge volume of data available from about 6 different countries. You can see how this plays out. It's the same across all countries.

There seems to be some real idiots in positions of power in 2020.

Strazdas · 27-03-2020 06:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The UK and Swiss changed tack lightning quick. The Swedes have no choice or their hospitals will be overwhelmed.

Indeed, they could go from this to total lockdown in the space of 24 hours if it dawns on them they have royally messed up.

Gynoid · 27-03-2020 06:28PM

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Yes...that figure is people who have tested positive, a lot of younger people can contract it...very few are falling seriously ill. Like all things obviously some can still for reasons unknown, but as we're seeing..it is extremely extremely unlikely.

There are a lot of people on here scaremongering or trying to look at this as negatively as possible. I understand some of you may have people in your lives that are vulnerable, but it doesn't mean we should bury our heads in the sand.

We should bury the people in our lives who are vulnerable?

I have noticed an attitude among some young people that this is not something that is coming for them, so stop making too much of a big deal. It reflects perhaps the natural presumption of immortality in youth, but also the callousness than can be there on all of us while young. It may also be indicative of a more atomised society, where the individual has been elevated above the family, where traditional ancestral bonds have been weakened. For some only, obviously. Though it is a feature of modernity.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 06:28PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What are they wondering for. There is a huge volume of data available from about 6 different countries. You can see how this plays out. It's the same across all countries.

There seems to be some real idiots in positions of power in 2020.

When the public see images of coffins piling up in makeshift morgues they wont be happy...

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2020 06:28PM

If anyone thinks Sweden approach is working they only need to look at Holland.

I’m amazed at Sweden of all countries.

27-03-2020 06:28PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A 101 year old man has left hospital in Italy after surviving Coronavirus

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/27/europe/101-year-old-coronavirus-scli-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Always important to mention the positive. Italy's rate of new infections is also gradually declining.

Thanks for sharing Kermit.

My grandmother turns 101 tomorrow. She's in a nursing home and I'm so worried for her but ^ there's hope!

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 06:29PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

In Leos speech on on Patricks day he predicted it to go up 30% a day and there to be 15 000 cases by the 1str of April , Currently that curve is being flattened ,

its inevitable there will be a spike at some time and there will be huge problems for a week possible two , but at the moment we are on route to make sure them two weeks don't get as bad as Italy ,

But yes it will get bad and yes we will lose loved ones but currently its looking like not as many as first predicted , it'll still be horrific

In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 06:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You made a statement and I questioned you.
I've made predictions which are that we will be lucky if we have under 100k infected and under 5k deaths.

People are going to die no way around that unfortunately for us all ,
What number of realistic deaths would you say that the government done a good job again baring in mind its something which we simply can not avoid ,

Strazdas · 27-03-2020 06:31PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If anyone thinks Sweden approach is working they only need to look at Holland.

I’m amazed at Sweden of all countries.

A cultural thing apparently. They are very liberal and progressive and don't like telling people what to do.

Intrestingly, Norway and Denmark went the other way and headed straight into 'lockdown'.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 06:31PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

Which while horrific is not as bad as originally forecast

Again as sad and horrific as this is people will die its just a matter of trying to keep the number as low as we possibly can

Red for Danger · 27-03-2020 06:32PM

Those flattening the curve maps aren't for adults their for the children something you can show them to help them sleep at night. Like all dogs go to heaven etc.

It time for adults to start facing reality as facing into this thing with the with a practical approach is far better than burying your head in the sand.

Also for those who are eager to sort out this wet market thing in china could you also sort out hunger in Africa, climate change and guns in America while ur at it.
You'll have a busy summer.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 06:33PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People are going to die no way around that unfortunately for us all ,
What number of realistic deaths would you say that the government done a good job again baring in mind its something which we simply can not avoid ,

Bollox. Look at other countries of similar population.

Singapore 2 deaths.
Finland 5 deaths.

If we get up near 1,000 deaths, it will be a horrible indictment of the steps taken by those in charge.

New Home · 27-03-2020 06:33PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Terrible, I hope cases in the south don't increase as the North levels off.

Remember all those people who fled from the North the night before the lockdown? Wait and see...

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You equally don't get it.

What do you think they should have done? Wheeled him through the hospital? Doctors and nurses treat him without full hazmat gear? Infect half the hospital and medical staff while at it?

One infected covid 19 patient can infect directly or indirectly hundreds of others.

They absolutely did the right thing. Ask Italian and Spanish doctors about making difficult decisions.

If he had covid19 he should have been brought in, in a controlled way. ie full hazmat all round.

I feel people continue to ignore the controlled approach message.

There's a massive difference between waiting at home doing nothing or bringing someone into A&E while potentially infective. How about they're brought to hospital AFTER notifying A&E that they're on their way with a potential Covid-19 patient who has other life-threatening symptoms and when they get to hospital they ring again to tell them they've arrived?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 27-03-2020 06:34PM

Xertz wrote: »

That’s the other issue. People will die due to being unable to access A&E services or by staying away as they’re afraid to approach them.

I could see a lot of people just attempting to grin and bear all sorts of symptoms. Nobody wants to go near a medical facility.

A relative of mine did this exactly last week, still ended up in hospital eventually but much more serious than if they had have gone earlier.

It has been advised through the media that people should not ignore ordinary illnesses or injuries for fear of seeking medical help.

So please everyone look after yourselves, but if you are ill don't be afraid to go to your GP or the hospital (obviously for covid symptoms follow protocol).

Don't ignore the small stuff because it can escalate to more serious health issues and there is no need to let it get that far.

Achasanai · 27-03-2020 06:34PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

I'm assuming Leo is going for the absolute worst case scenario when he suggests these things (and with good reason too). If we are at 1000 in a few weeks, we would have completely outstripped Italy in terms of absolutely making a balls of handling this situation (relative to population and ICU/person rate).

threeball · 27-03-2020 06:34PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

1000 deaths here would make us worse than Italy pro-rata. I'd be very surprised if that figure is realised.

owlbethere · 27-03-2020 06:35PM

Xertz wrote: »

I’m hearing of two older folks who’ve passed away who are friends of friends of family. I don’t know them, but we’re all only 2 degrees of separation in a country this size.

Just look out for your older relatives in particular. It’s horrible to hear those stories at any time and it’s a lot worse when you’re potentially self isolating alone.

I learned today just how close to home this is. I'm from a rural village.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03