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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #3122
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    I’m hearing of two older folks who’ve passed away who are friends of friends of family. I don’t know them, but we’re all only 2 degrees of separation in a country this size.

    Just look out for your older relatives in particular. It’s horrible to hear those stories at any time and it’s a lot worse when you’re potentially self isolating alone.


  • #3123
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    No I'm suggesting there is a rigorous and well worked out protocol for covid19 patients and hospitalisation.

    And it isn't showing up at A&E. Anyone with covid19 symptoms need to stay the hell away from A&E including if you are at deaths door. Otherwise you risk infecting many others and health workers with this potentially lethal disease.

    This isn't my advice - its the medical profession advice.

    Call your GP
    Advise them of Symptoms
    Wait to be tested
    Call the GP if symptoms worsen
    Wait to be brought in by ambulance by paramedics in full personal protection equipment.

    Suggesting anyone with covid 19 to just show up at A&E is irresponsible advice.

    Not everyone critically ill at the moment has covid 19! Fever is a covid 19 symptom. It’s also a sepsis symptom. Sometimes you need to see the patient in front of you. The gravity might not be clear over the phone. I won’t judge anyone for taking themselves off to an A&E because they think something is seriously wrong. I’ve done it myself and was right to.


  • #3124
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Mayor of Bergamo questioning the official death count of Covid. Seems there were 446 deaths from 1 to 24 March.
    Which is 348 more than the average of the previous years (98). There were only 136 covid19 deaths in that period.
    That leaves 212 more than usual.

    https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1243204679934324738?s=20
    bilston wrote: »
    Not sure what the Mayor's point is?

    The one thing we know is that the virus kills seriously ill people and it is true that some of those that it kills may likely die soon anyway. I'm not sure how a figure can be put on that though

    However these are still human beings we are talking about who are dying before their time, be that 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months or 6 years or in some very rare cases 60 years before their time.

    Yeah it's tragic what is occurring. I think his point is two-fold. The number of people dying from COVID19 is higher than what's recorded. This also means the number of people who have it is higher and the death rate is probably lower due to mild / asymptomatic cases.
    According to some infectious disease specialists, the mortality rate could be even lower, around 1%. If this were the case, we would have 35 thousand infected in the city, almost 1/3 of the population. Fortunately, most positives are asymptomatic or have only mild symptoms.

    https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1243235837908746241?s=20


  • #3125
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    Italy now at 10.55% mortality rate of cases who have tested positive.

    Horrific

    Maybe Italy are only testing the seriously ill, which would skew the figures and make the mortality rate worse than it actually is.


  • #3126
    mikeoc85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭mikeoc85


    bekker wrote: »

    In Ireland and some evidence is emerging that a large proportion of cases in Ireland are occurring among younger cohorts than was anticipated. only significent drop-off is in the 15-24 cohort.
    https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

    Yes...that figure is people who have tested positive, a lot of younger people can contract it...very few are falling seriously ill. Like all things obviously some can still for reasons unknown, but as we're seeing..it is extremely extremely unlikely.

    There are a lot of people on here scaremongering or trying to look at this as negatively as possible. I understand some of you may have people in your lives that are vulnerable, but it doesn't mean we should bury our heads in the sand.

    Trying to paint this out to be worse than it is to try and make people take more caution isn't going to dupe people.

    Don;t get me wrong...this is still a disaster and everything should be done to minimize hospitalizations.


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  • #3127
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Maybe Italy are only testing the seriously ill, which would skew the figures and make the mortality rate worse than it actually is.

    That exactly what they are doing ,


  • #3128
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    I'm not being smart, but did the Italian culture of greeting males and females with a hug and a kiss go against it? We are way more stand off-ish here for example.

    I would imagine it did.
    Also if you think about it, double cheek kisses are common, more than likely when someone kisses them they might put their arms on the other persons elbows or arms at the same time. So the virus could remain on their clothing if the other person had it, the next person to greet them might then touch the same part of the persons clothing and pick it up that way through their hands.

    It's incredibly sad to think that such a nice warm part of a countrys culture could have had such devastating consequences.


  • #3129
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    vladmydad wrote: »
    I agree with Sweden https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html
    The advice has not changed despite a surge of cases in Stockholm in recent days that led the city's health chief Bjorn Eriksson to call for any help he could get handling the influx of coronavirus patients.

    "The storm is here," Mr Eriksson said, announcing 18 patients had died in the region in the past 24 hours, doubling its death tally in a single day.



    yeah, real sensible. And it's early days yet.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #3130
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    eagle eye wrote: »
    How many have we tested? How many waiting to be tested? Are we counting deaths that happen at home to people who did not get tested?

    How can I possibly answer them questions ?
    You can't possibly answer them either ,but let me guess you'll predict there all bad answer but I'm not allowed predict there good ,


  • #3131
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    vladmydad wrote: »
    I agree with Sweden https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

    Silly nonsensical approach that will cost lives.


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  • #3132
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The advice has not changed despite a surge of cases in Stockholm in recent days that led the city's health chief Bjorn Eriksson to call for any help he could get handling the influx of coronavirus patients.

    "The storm is here," Mr Eriksson said, announcing 18 patients had died in the region in the past 24 hours, doubling its death tally in a single day.



    yeah, real sensible. And it's early days yet.

    The next line in the article shows there are plenty there against it as well.
    More than 2,000 eminent Swedish researchers and university professors have sent an open letter to the government calling for tougher measures.


  • #3133
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Not everyone critically ill at the moment has covid 19! Fever is a covid 19 symptom. It’s also a sepsis symptom. Sometimes you need to see the patient in front of you. The gravity might not be clear over the phone. I won’t judge anyone for taking themselves off to an A&E because they think something is seriously wrong. I’ve done it myself and was right to.

    That’s the other issue. People will die due to being unable to access A&E services or by staying away as they’re afraid to approach them.

    I could see a lot of people just attempting to grin and bear all sorts of symptoms. Nobody wants to go near a medical facility.


  • #3134
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,404 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The advice has not changed despite a surge of cases in Stockholm in recent days that led the city's health chief Bjorn Eriksson to call for any help he could get handling the influx of coronavirus patients.

    "The storm is here," Mr Eriksson said, announcing 18 patients had died in the region in the past 24 hours, doubling its death tally in a single day.



    yeah, real sensible. And it's early days yet.

    I was reading last night that Swedish politicians are secretly starting to panic and wondering if they've made a ghastly mistake.


  • #3135
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    That exactly what they are doing ,

    Would it be reasonable to say that around 10% of those with serious illness die?


  • #3136
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Florida reports 416 new cases so far today

    Florida is a tinder box if this takes hold there with its population of retired.


  • #3137
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I'm not sure how people can say we are flattening the curve at this early stage. Everyone will have a different opinion so.

    Over 65s being given a sedative instead of a ventilator in Madrid. We have a small health service. We don't want to see that here
    I think people are relieved that the rate of increase so far is a lot lower than earlier projected. Probably a while till they say the curve has been flattened.


  • #3138
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Would it be reasonable to say that around 10% of those with serious illness die?

    I feel like there's no point in trying to argue with these people, they will just put their heads in the sand forever until someone close to them dies.


  • #3139
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Italian figures by region. 3732 In ICU.

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  • #3140
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Would it be reasonable to say that around 10% of those with serious illness die?

    I guess so ,
    I read today 9 people from 30- 40 age bracket have died so far in Italy and 8 of them who they had data on had underlying conditions ,they didn't have data on the 9th ,


  • #3141
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I was reading last night that Swedish politicians are secretly starting to panic and wondering if they've made a ghastly mistake.

    The UK and Swiss changed tack lightning quick. The Swedes have no choice or their hospitals will be overwhelmed.


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  • #3142
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    smallfryy wrote: »
    I hope you're wrong too, in the nicest way possible.
    Lots of posters here are saying our figures look like we are already flattening the curve.
    Do you not agree with this?
    I don't know what way to think at all.
    My heart feels heavy for the Italians and Spanish today. I hate that they're in this nightmare.


    It's too early to know if we're flattening the curve.
    The 3 day moving average for ICU bed increases over recent days have been 41%, 33% and 24% so perhaps heading in the right direction but would need to see that continuing.
    If ICU bed numbers announced tonight are less than 58, we're heading in the right direction.
    More than 58 and our trajectory is somewhere between orange and red.
    Also, the ICU numbers reported each day are for 36-41 hours earlier.


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  • #3143
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    yourdeadwright wrote:
    How can I possibly answer them questions ? You can't possibly answer them either ,but let me guess you'll predict there all bad answer but I'm not allowed predict there good ,
    You made a statement and I questioned you.
    I've made predictions which are that we will be lucky if we have under 100k infected and under 5k deaths.


  • #3144
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I was reading last night that Swedish politicians are secretly starting to panic and wondering if they've made a ghastly mistake.

    What are they wondering for. There is a huge volume of data available from about 6 different countries. You can see how this plays out. It's the same across all countries.

    There seems to be some real idiots in positions of power in 2020.


  • #3145
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,404 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The UK and Swiss changed tack lightning quick. The Swedes have no choice or their hospitals will be overwhelmed.

    Indeed, they could go from this to total lockdown in the space of 24 hours if it dawns on them they have royally messed up.


  • #3146
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    mikeoc85 wrote: »
    Yes...that figure is people who have tested positive, a lot of younger people can contract it...very few are falling seriously ill. Like all things obviously some can still for reasons unknown, but as we're seeing..it is extremely extremely unlikely.

    There are a lot of people on here scaremongering or trying to look at this as negatively as possible. I understand some of you may have people in your lives that are vulnerable, but it doesn't mean we should bury our heads in the sand.

    We should bury the people in our lives who are vulnerable?

    I have noticed an attitude among some young people that this is not something that is coming for them, so stop making too much of a big deal. It reflects perhaps the natural presumption of immortality in youth, but also the callousness than can be there on all of us while young. It may also be indicative of a more atomised society, where the individual has been elevated above the family, where traditional ancestral bonds have been weakened. For some only, obviously. Though it is a feature of modernity.


  • #3147
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    What are they wondering for. There is a huge volume of data available from about 6 different countries. You can see how this plays out. It's the same across all countries.

    There seems to be some real idiots in positions of power in 2020.

    When the public see images of coffins piling up in makeshift morgues they wont be happy...


  • #3148
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,707 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If anyone thinks Sweden approach is working they only need to look at Holland.

    I’m amazed at Sweden of all countries.

    EVENFLOW



  • #3149
    [Deleted User]
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    A 101 year old man has left hospital in Italy after surviving Coronavirus

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/27/europe/101-year-old-coronavirus-scli-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Always important to mention the positive. Italy's rate of new infections is also gradually declining.

    Thanks for sharing Kermit.

    My grandmother turns 101 tomorrow. She's in a nursing home and I'm so worried for her but ^ there's hope!


  • #3150
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    In Leos speech on on Patricks day he predicted it to go up 30% a day and there to be 15 000 cases by the 1str of April , Currently that curve is being flattened ,

    its inevitable there will be a spike at some time and there will be huge problems for a week possible two , but at the moment we are on route to make sure them two weeks don't get as bad as Italy ,

    But yes it will get bad and yes we will lose loved ones but currently its looking like not as many as first predicted , it'll still be horrific

    In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ


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  • #3151
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You made a statement and I questioned you.
    I've made predictions which are that we will be lucky if we have under 100k infected and under 5k deaths.

    People are going to die no way around that unfortunately for us all ,
    What number of realistic deaths would you say that the government done a good job again baring in mind its something which we simply can not avoid ,


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