CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 05:30PM

OT, but I did not know that flu could be deadly to children.

https://twitter.com/CDCFlu/status/1243575062185345027?s=19

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

Boggles wrote: »

It's hardly surprising, Bojo has been knowingly shaking the hands of infected people and then spending a large amount of time with the cabinet and chief medical officers.

God knows how many that absolute fúcktard has infected.

Presumably including his pregnant partner Carrie Symonds.

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243561515313217536?s=20

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Everywhere... just generally speaking..

Are we over the worst of it, I wonder?

Some have peaked, some seem to be close to their peak but a whole lot , including ourselves, have a long way to go. It's useful for us to watch the situations in Spain, Italy and the UK to get a sense of when we might get there.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That is all well and good. And you are probably right. But right now, stopping flights, given the tiny numbers and empty airports, is hardly the priority. That horse has long bolted. You are continuing this argument two weeks after it really doesn't matter any more

I'm just responding to others who said its all revisionism. Its actually relevant today too though for other regions. But that's another discussion.

dodzy · 27-03-2020 05:32PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I am going on HSE advice. The HSE are the experts we keep being told.

There is long line of protocols to be followed. Now they are slow I agree, but there is a reason for them.

As for turning up at a private hospital without health insurance, the same would happen in Ireland, otherwise everyone would just turn up at private hospitals.

My wife had sepsis on arrival at A&E not too long ago. I sincerely hope you are never in the situation as on your current form, you would be complicit in their death. It's rapidity is frightening.

RogerThis · 27-03-2020 05:32PM

From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

NEW YORK:
March 27 (GMT)
New York 44,635 +5,658
LIVE: New York Governor Cuomo daily briefing

Apex of hospital need could be in 21 days from now in New York
All hospitals need to increase capacity by 50%, some by 100%
Need a total of 140,000 hospital beds. Currently have 53,000 (additional 87,000 hospital beds needed)
Need a total of 40,000 ICU beds. Currently have 3,000, with 3,000 ventilators. An additional 37,000 ICU beds are needed
Will use college dormitories, hotels, nursing homes, and all possible space to convert to hospitals if needed in April
138,376 people tested
Schools will stay closed for an additional 2 weeks after April 1, to then reassess and extend again if needed. 180 days requirement has been waived
March 26 (GMT)
New York 38,977 +6,011
New York State Gov. Cuomo press briefing:

- COVID-19 patients average time on ventilator: 11 - 21 days (vs. 3 - 4 days for non-COVID-19 patients). "We have patients that have been 20 days 30 days on a ventilator. The longer you are on a ventilator, the more likely you are not going get off a ventilator"

- New York is testing more per capita than South Korea
March 24 (GMT)
Peak number of cases is still 2 to 3 weeks away in New York
"We've procured about 7,000 ventilators. We need, as a minimum, other 30,000 ventilators. This is a critical and desperate need for ventilators [..] We need them in 14 days. Fema is sending 400 ventilators only. Federal action is needed to address this now through the Federal Defense Production Act"
"The numbers are higher in New York because it started here first, it has a lot of international travelers and has high density, but you will see this in cities all across the country, and in suburban communities. Where we are today, you'll be in 4 weeks or 6 weeks.
Probably "hundreds of thousands of people" have already had Covid-19, didn't know they had it, and recovered. Should be tested for antibodies so they could go back to work and keep the economy going

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 05:33PM

Boulevardier wrote: »

Some basic predictions re timeframe for Ireland:

The 2nd and 3rd weeks of April will be the worst for us here.

The present shutdowns will be extended to the end of May.

There will be a partial relaxation of shutdowns at the beginning of June.

If that works out, almost everything (except some travel) will be back later in June.

I'm sure other people have much worse predictions than mine, but those are still my best guesses.

Everything depends on how many health care workers get it, If its a large amount we are screwed,

Also at the moment id like to think the vast majority of people 65 or over are having little to no contact with anyone else, My own parents haven't just getting there shopping left in the porch, Ud be hoping in two weeks times there will not be many elderly getting newly infected at all ,( obviously some are already and don't know yet )

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:33PM

dodzy wrote: »

Sam Daniels said it best

"You have to admire its simplicity. It's one billionth our size and it's beating us."

But we shall prevail!

niallo27 · 27-03-2020 05:33PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Has there been any coverage in the media yet of the new report by a working group of Italian doctors from the Italian Istituto Superiore di Sanità (Higher Institute of Health)? They last night just released the first detailed report on covid deaths so far in the country. Its got a couple of very interesting highlights:

Heres the age ranges of deaths: essentially non-existent for under 40s. 9 total people under 40. Of that 9, they tested 7 for underlying conditions, and 100% had them - either debates, obesity etc. Not a single healthy person under 40 has died from it.

And here are the overall deaths, across all age ranges:

This is part is absolutely key. Only 1.2% of Italian deaths, across all age ranges, had no underlying health conditions (diabetes, COPD etc). It looks like its not only just not killing young people, its not killing healthy old people.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf

It seems like this is pretty huge, positive news? Once it gets wider media coverage I'd imagine we'll see a lot of pressure to lift quarantines for the not-at-risk sections of society.

Great post but all you will get it here is, you wont think its great news it was your family or if you have an underlying condition and ignore this is hugely important.

NIMAN · 27-03-2020 05:34PM

Will be interesting to see how Sweden fares.

Just read today that they are going against all other countries ideas and leaving things mostly unchanged.

Seems a strange move.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 05:34PM

dodzy wrote: »

My wife had sepsis on arrival at A&E not too long ago. I sincerely hope you are never in the situation as on your current form, you would be complicit in their death. It's rapidity is frightening.

I hope she is okay now. x You are right, sepsis moves fast once it develops. It is frightening.

jobeenfitz · 27-03-2020 05:34PM

Is there a possibility that the likes of Trump and Johnson and others could be in serious trouble for encouraging people to behave dangerously or foolishly, thereby causing many more infections and deaths, after this is over?

I know this is not going to help now.

greenfield21 · 27-03-2020 05:35PM

shocksy wrote: »

Lombardy, Italy’s most affected region, has confirmed 541 new coronavirus deaths in the last 24 hours. It’s a 24 hour death record for the region. The total results for Italy are expected at 6 p.m. (Reuters)

Also 45 doctors have died since the outbreak in Italy

So with the previous post all those doctors had underlying health conditions, why are they even there

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:35PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

USA and Brazil. Be careful who you vote for. I could include UK in that category.

Bolsinaro seems to be the worst of them. At least the other two are allowing themselves to be led by science.

bekker · 27-03-2020 05:36PM

otnomart wrote: »

It is an amazing sight.
I also reading in the Guardian now that there are also backup plans for two more field hospitals in exhibition centres in Birmingham and Manchester.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/excel-coronavirus-hospital-will-be-by-far-the-largest-in-the-uk

Italy and France have also been building field hospitals and increasing their capacities in a very short timeframe.
It really goes to show what G7 Countries can do.
Shame that healthcare spend was hit as a result of austerity.

Hit because of the choices made in the face of austerity.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 05:36PM

Lombardy region in Italy reports 571 new deaths. This is up steeply on previous days and I think is a new record. The figures will be appalling for Italy today by the looks of it.

On the positive side 926 have been deemed cured.

Nermal · 27-03-2020 05:37PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Once it gets wider media coverage I'd imagine we'll see a lot of pressure to lift quarantines for the not-at-risk sections of society.

Some of us have been banging that particular drum for some time, to no effect.

Panic has taken hold. It will take a lot to talk people down.

niallo27 · 27-03-2020 05:37PM

greenfield21 wrote: »

So with the previous post all those doctors had underlying health conditions, why are they even there

They wanted to do their jobs and ignored the risk I presume.

Dave0301 · 27-03-2020 05:37PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Ah yes, the nuanced conspiracy theory.

The concession of some things, but with the overwhelming message that it's just a bad cold.

It's like just because someone doesn't go full Alex Jones we have to take them seriously, some joke.

The problem with that article in The Spectator is that the impact on ICU beds isn't acknowledged.

If social distancing measures were not put in place, due to the R0 of the virus and the total lack of immunity in the population it would have a field day.

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 05:38PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Lombardy region in Italy reports 571 new deaths. This is up steeply on previous days and I think is a new record. The figures will be appalling for Italy today by the looks of it.

On the positive side 926 have been deemed cured.

Terrible, I hope cases in the south don't increase as the North levels off.

IQO · 27-03-2020 05:38PM

https://twitter.com/marklowen/status/1243578159481700352

Horrifying numbers

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:38PM

KingBobby wrote: »

You really just don't get it. Sepsis and septic shock is one of the most serious things you can present with. Telling someone with sepsis to wait at home to see do they have covid first you are pretty much guaranteeing that they will die. If you had just hours/minutes before death, would you think hang on let me check protocol first?

You equally don't get it.

What do you think they should have done? Wheeled him through the hospital? Doctors and nurses treat him without full hazmat gear? Infect half the hospital and medical staff while at it?

One infected covid 19 patient can infect directly or indirectly hundreds of others.

They absolutely did the right thing. Ask Italian and Spanish doctors about making difficult decisions.

If he had covid19 he should have been brought in, in a controlled way. ie full hazmat all round.

I feel people continue to ignore the controlled approach message.

Xertz · 27-03-2020 05:38PM

At this stage, I think the government needs to make a firm call on festivals to be cancelled perhaps out as far as September.

There are a lot of community organisations, promoters, commercial bodies and others holding off on pulling the plug as they’re not able to make a decision and also if they’re progressed and planned things be come more and more difficult to cancel.

There are events ranging from summer festivals, arts festivals, agricultural stuff, pride, etc etc all still pending.

I would really like to see a government advisory just asking organisers to postpone until autumn or hold off until 2021.

If things unexpectedly improve between now and September, and we can mingle again, then it would be better to have smaller scale events anyway and less of an expectation.

The key thing though is the government needs to give clear guidance and actually just ask people not to organise big events until autumn as this thing won’t be under control until at best late 2020.

I would much rather see a clear window and smaller scale stuff happening as things hopefully improve than suddenly everyone jumping into summer festival mode. It could cause a huge rebound.

paleoperson · 27-03-2020 05:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Bolsinaro seems to be the worst of them. At least the other two are allowing themselves to be led by science.

yeah, I bet Bolsonaro gets destroyed in the next election. There's a big difference between climate skepticism and watching your president not care when people die around you.

Mortelaro · 27-03-2020 05:40PM

919 dead last 24hrs in Italy
Highest daily total since this began

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:40PM

dodzy wrote: »

My wife had sepsis on arrival at A&E not too long ago. I sincerely hope you are never in the situation as on your current form, you would be complicit in their death. It's rapidity is frightening.

But she didn't have covid 19.

Do you understand this critical point?

catrat12 · 27-03-2020 05:40PM

I dont post in this thread often but I do in others anyway I had to go to chemist for my normal prescription which I need.
On my short 5 minute car journey I observed the following a park that was busy enough a lot of walkers and runners and cyclists never normally that anyway this is were I cannot believe what a saw I was third in q to get into chemist the q was outside as not letting anyone in, the man in his 70s I’d say was top of the q and was asking the shop assistant who was wearing a mask and gloves do they have any thermometers as he said he had a bit of a high temperature and was wondering could they check it, she basically told him to get home and follow instructions on tv ads or online , then he preceded to shop next door, I’m scared now he had it and gave to me as I already suffer with anxiety plus I can’t believe people are still so stupid

vixdname · 27-03-2020 05:41PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

We assemble 50% of the world's respirators. Whether we produce them (as in make the parts) I'm not sure but I don't think so.

Galway company "Medtronic" are a huge supplier of ventilators and yes Ireland supplies 50% of the worlds respirators \ ventilators.

They have upped their out by 40% with the aim of doubling output within the next week or so by working 24\7.

You can Google all this, just google medtronic

The One Doctor · 27-03-2020 05:41PM

Xertz wrote: »

At this stage, I think the government needs to make a firm call on festivals to be cancelled perhaps out as far as September.

There are a lot of community organisations, promoters, commercial bodies and others holding off on pulling the plug as they’re not able to make a decision and also if they’re progressed and planned things be come more and more difficult to cancel.

I would really like to see a government advisory just asking organisers to postpone until autumn or hold off until 2021.

If things unexpectedly improve between now and September, and we can mingle again, then it would be better to have smaller scale events anyway and less of an expectation.

The key thing though is the government needs to give clear guidance and actually just ask people not to organise big events until autumn as this thing won’t be under control until at best late 2020.

If the govt says cancel events in September the public may panic or revolt against the guidelines.

Far better to have a few more economic casualties then panic.

Besides, the govt doesn't know what's going to happen. They're not soothsayers or mystics.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03