CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

ZX7R · 27-03-2020 02:58PM

Seamai wrote: »

I notice the overall tone here is turning quite negative here in the last day or two, some who were praising the powers that be a short few days ago are now turning on them. We knew they would be deaths in the high risk groups, yes the new cases are increasing but if that can be kept down to a reasonable rate it may be possible to manage it. It might be no harm if we all spent a bit less time on here and on our phones in general, being a bit more careful where we take our information from and taking time out to chill and do something we enjoy.

Stay safe everyone.

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tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 02:59PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Great, and our ICUs are almost full.

We are a few weeks away from having to decide who gets ventilators as is. Some counties have only one or two ventilators.

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 02:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why do you keep banging on about flights in every post.

The flights are virtually empty and at this point are still going for cargo reasons.

Theres no bus operator, aircoach etc running to the airport, daa operations are at a minimum. Its empty

He reeeeally hates planes, posting obsessively for XI threads now, and probably more beforehand. :pac:

shesty · 27-03-2020 02:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree. There are some who seem to think that we can carry this on until we have a vaccine. We will get back to a semblance of normality before we have a vaccThe only reason for these measures is the heath service capacity. If we had unlimited capacity there would be zero need for any measures....we could just let it run unchecked.

Yes, the vaccine is the long term solution.What is happening now is short/medium term solution essentially.Am not paying too much attention to the vaccine side of things myself as it won't solve the problem right now, which is mainly trying not to overwhelm the health system.But the numbers will stay, and continue to grow for the very short term; once we keep the growth rates low, it is possible the death rate can be managed to a certain degree and there is some degree of containment to it all.For now.

iwillyeah1234 · 27-03-2020 02:59PM

paul71 wrote: »

If the company is still there to come back to.

they can go into hibernation. there are ways of doing this. if the bank/landlord doesn't play ball, the company can call on the government to help out and put the foot down, so to speak.

Naos · 27-03-2020 03:00PM

cnocbui wrote: »

No I didn't read the full article because there was block on displaying the full page without subscribing, so I concede the point that you were correct.

You didn't even have to read the full article, it's the second sentence which you can see without subscribing:

"The new figures, released on Wednesday, show the State had a total of 3.8 million visitors from overseas so far this year."

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:00PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why do you keep banging on about flights in every post.

The flights are virtually empty and at this point are still going for cargo reasons.

Theres no bus operator, aircoach etc running to the airport, daa operations are at a minimum. Its empty

Because no-one is listening. They didn't listen when it came to Italian flights - And people died because of that stupidity. Numerous people.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:00PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Exactly. No-one knows. No-one knows how many are on these flights, if they are infected or where they are headed. They are coming from cities which are hugely infected.

To think some of them aren't infected themselves is naïve.

We are just introducing new cases daily. Madness.

The more you introduce, the harder it gets due to the exponential spread.

My point is that the flights are not full.

Have you not heard the reports. People are not travelling. Have you not seen how empty the airport is.

You're making it sound like other places are 100% infected.

Also, all people travellng into the country, regardless of where they come from are being told to self-isolate for 14 days.

Either way, it's not the biggest issue now.

Numbers spreading it further amongst the community is the problem now. That's where the virus is.

otnomart · 27-03-2020 03:00PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Logistically that's a lot simpler tho. Like residents of North West France being transferred over the border into Germany is a lot easier than flying critically ill people from Ireland to the UK.

It can be done.
Italy is flying many patients from the North to other Regions that have more capacity in ICU.The Air Force use special biohazard trolleys (I posted this photo earlier).
France has also transferred some patients from Corsica to Marseille by Military ship.

Italy

France

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NH2013 · 27-03-2020 03:00PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Tomorrow Aer Lingus are flying 9 flights from London, 3 from Amsterdam and 1 from New York. And that will continue daily for the foreseeable future.
We haven't a hope of flattening the curve. A month from now we will be in serious sh*t.

Likely no passengers but the cargo holds filled with time sensitive cargo, pharmacuticals to treat this disease and others, foods that we need to eat, components to keep essential pieces of machinery and systems going across the country.

Why should the flights be cancelled?

We're an island, we don't produce everything we need here locally, we need these flights to get our critical supplies in.

They're also doing 60 flights from China bringing in over 600 tonnes of PPE, should they be cancelled?

paul71 · 27-03-2020 03:01PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Did i say that? try not to take offense to everything.

Im merely saying i see loads of people naming and shaming and articles on facebook, people are pissed.

And defaming companies who may have no choice. I have the irony today of reviewing with the directors of my company ways of getting people back to work. We had to discount it because the €350 payment they currently receive in social welfare would mean they effectively would be coming back to work for about €1 an hour.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:01PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

He reeeeally hates planes, posting obsessively for XI threads now, and probably more beforehand. :pac:

Get lost. A small number of my posts have been about planes and the absolutely idiocy of those who think its a good idea to fly in new coronavirus cases when we can't cope with the ones we have already.

AxleAddict · 27-03-2020 03:01PM

Amongst all the chaos and disruption, I thought this was sweet:

https://twitter.com/katiekins76/status/1243259462959464450

27-03-2020 03:02PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Tomorrow Aer Lingus are flying 9 flights from London, 3 from Amsterdam and 1 from New York. And that will continue daily for the foreseeable future.
We haven't a hope of flattening the curve. A month from now we will be in serious sh*t.

Aer Lingus carry mail and some other cargo. There will be hardly any passengers on those flights. I had to go to London and back last week for emergency reasons and the whole journey, the airport and the flight itself, is the most isolated I have been in days. There are sanitisers everywhere and is so so quiet. There were 4 people on my Aer Lingus fight to Dublin. As as long as you are social distancing the whole time, and taking all appropriate precautions, there is not a huge risk here

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:03PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Because no-one is listening. They didn't listen when it came to Italian flights - And people died because of that stupidity. Numerous people.

You do realise it's most likely Irish people travelling home that brought the virus initially.

If they stopped Italian flights then Irish people would have gone to another country to get a flight home.

You cannot stop Irish people coming home.
It's was also impossible to stop the virus coming here.

You're being melo-dramatic about the deaths.

The virus is here now in the population. Near empty flights coming in are not the problem and you should stop going on about it.

paul71 · 27-03-2020 03:03PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

they can go into hibernation. there are ways of doing this. if the bank/landlord doesn't play ball, the company can call on the government to help out and put the foot down, so to speak.

Yeah, try dealing with it in reality not fantasizing about it on the internet.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:04PM

NH2013 wrote: »

Likely no passengers but the cargo holds filled with time sensitive cargo, pharmacuticals to treat this disease and others, foods that we need to eat, components to keep essential pieces of machinery and systems going across the country.

Why should the flights be cancelled?

We're an island, we don't produce everything we need here locally, we need these flights to get our critical supplies in.

They're also doing 60 flights from China bringing in over 600 tonnes of PPE, should they be cancelled?

Hmm let me see? Because London, Netherlands and New York are riddled with coronavirus. Good enough.

Stop using the "they are only cargo planes" nonsense. Anyone is free to book a ticket on them. If they were cargo they'd be taken off the website.

Like I said a month from now we will be in deep sh*t because of this.

spookwoman · 27-03-2020 03:04PM

https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1243539112239542276?s=20

stephenjmcd · 27-03-2020 03:04PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Because no-one is listening. They didn't listen when it came to Italian flights - And people died because of that stupidity. Numerous people.

Give it a rest, you've been told over and over again the airport is like a ghost town. Flights with nobody on them are arriving.

Theres more associated with community spread now than travel.

Sam Russell · 27-03-2020 03:05PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yeah, I would not take public health advice from a research immunologist. I say that as a former research immunologist. He knows plenty, but he's no expert in the relevant sciences. Look to the MDs and particularly epidemiologists and virologists. They probably won't talk as smoothly or confidently, and they won't jump at literally any chance to be on the radio, but they know their stuff.

I think people should be much more aware of the difference between clinical medicine as practised by GPs and hospitals. They are concerned with the outcome of each patient, and they do their best to get the best outcome for that patient.

Public health is a different discipline. It is concerned with the best outcome for the population as a whole. The current testing regime is providing vital information to the CMO with respect to public health. It is not concerned with individuals per se, but the severity of the symptoms, the precise symptoms, the number of contacts, and where they occurred. It is this information and its precise detail that is used to direct the regime that is needed to get the best outcome.

Those who are infected will be infected and may or may not require intervention. That will be obvious to the patient and the health service. It might be nice for people to know they are infected or not, but they still need to follow guide lines anyway.

If everyone follows the guide-lines wrt washing hands, cough etiquette, and keeping their distance, the spread of the virus will be lowered such that the health service will be able to cope. Testing does nothing to change that.

We are so programmed to expect the magic potion that will cure us. There is no magic potion - keep well by keeping well away from others.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:05PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Get lost. A small number of my posts have been about planes and the absolutely idiocy of those who think its a good idea to fly in new coronavirus cases when we can't cope with the ones we have already.

So now you're saying we're not coping with it.

How do you know we're flying in new cases?

Either way new cases are happening all the time

It's people already in Ireland doing the right things that you should be more worried about.

RugbyLad11 · 27-03-2020 03:05PM

cnocbui wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yourself.

Look above the login button:

"The new figures, released on Wednesday, show the State had a total of 3.8 million visitors from overseas so far this year"

Jim Gazebo · 27-03-2020 03:05PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Hmm let me see? Because London, Netherlands and New York are riddled with coronavirus. Good enough.

Stop using the "they are only cargo planes" nonsense. Anyone is free to book a ticket on them. If they were cargo they'd be taken off the website.

Like I said a month from now we will be in deep sh*t because of this.

Get into the real world.

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 03:06PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We are a few weeks away from having to decide who gets ventilators as is. Some counties have only one or two ventilators.

Link?

Boggles · 27-03-2020 03:06PM

You'd be fair brave to get on a flight from New York at the minute.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:07PM

We have more deaths than these countries with bigger populations:

Poland 37 million
Australia 24 million
Argentina 45 million
Israel 8 million
Morocco 36 million

I could go on. The number will rise in these countries but for an island, this does not make for good reading.

Cupatae · 27-03-2020 03:07PM

paul71 wrote: »

And defaming companies who may have no choice. I have the irony today of reviewing with the directors of my company ways of getting people back to work. We had to discount it because the €350 payment they currently receive in social welfare would mean they effectively would be coming back to work for about €1 an hour.

im defaming companies? wha?

i pointed out that it is happening i didnt say if it was right or wrong, just that people are pissed and "naming and shaming".

You are really trying to be offended.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:07PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We are a few weeks away from having to decide who gets ventilators as is. Some counties have only one or two ventilators.

This type of post is not helpful nor accurate.

The government has requisitioned all private hospitals and their ventilators, and has hundreds on order from Medtronic in Galway who have shifts working 24/7 to cater to the demand.

So far we have created hundreds of new ICU beds and to today only 47 people in them.

Those people will begin to recover and new ventilators will come into the system over the next number of weeks.

Creating panic where it’s not necessary is so irresponsible.

MipMap · 27-03-2020 03:08PM

Practical Question.

Staying locked down for a few weeks but want to make sure the car's battery doesn't go flat.

Am ok to take it for a drive once a week without getting out of the car.

Appreciate any advise

iwillyeah1234 · 27-03-2020 03:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why do you keep banging on about flights in every post.

The flights are virtually empty and at this point are still going for cargo reasons.

Theres no bus operator, aircoach etc running to the airport, daa operations are at a minimum. Its empty

there was a case earlier of a Heathrow cargo worker contracting covid19.

now , it might have been handling luggage ( i'll have to dig up the details) , but there's definitely a vector that way , without interacting with passengers.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03