CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

27-03-2020 01:49PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Lads I know this seems so selfish, but I'm hearing of more and more Irish people in England especially London all panicking and planning to come home

My God what will they bring with them

As long as they self isolate for 14 days, nothing

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 01:51PM

Steve F wrote: »

How ya feeling...OK I hope
On the 12th of March hardly anyone was predicting the extent of it so as you say Hindsight is 20:20

I have absolutely no symptoms thankfully and I’m 10 days into isolation. You wouldn’t believe how much I’m looking forward to a trip to Dunnes next week!

Fr_Dougal · 27-03-2020 01:51PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Lads I know this seems so selfish, but I'm hearing of more and more Irish people in England especially London all panicking and planning to come home

My God what will they bring with them

Toblerones.

Gods Gift · 27-03-2020 01:51PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Lads I know this seems so selfish, but I'm hearing of more and more Irish people in England especially London all panicking and planning to come home

My God what will they bring with them

Those silly London accents.

2lazytogetup · 27-03-2020 01:52PM

megabomberman wrote: »

Firstly, he suggested that we should give up testing for covid and forget contact tracing, which is just totally wrong at this point. To slow the spread we need good testing and isolation protocols in line with South Korea, Singapore, China and Taiwan.

He was suggesting we should move to antibody testing at this stage which makes absolutely no sense, we have literally 5 people confirmed people who have recovered from the illness compared to nearly 2,000 people confirmed sick. Sick people generally show symptoms so are easier to identify. How at this point are we going to go about finding the bare few people who have had and recovered from the virus and what good does it do us?

He then apparently advocated a two tier system whereby recovered people go about their daily lives where the rest stay locked up. Impossible to manage and provides an incentive for people to get the virus for their 'pass'.

Finally he said Africa was the place to watch. A continent with by far the lowest population of elderly and a place where they already grapple with all manner of deadlier diseases and causes of death. It is countries like India, Turkey, Mexico and Brazil that are the places to watch, granted a few North African states will suffer badly.

He was touting vaccines by September and Trumps favourite untested drug a week ago, he's touting some antibody transfer system this time around.

He is simply infuriating.

I agree that excessive resources are being used in testing. i dont see the point. if i got the symptoms and was stuck in bed. im not going to get in my car and drive to croke park. if i get really sick, ill phone ambulance/hse.

and i think africa is the place to watch as I cant imagine they have many ventilators. And despite what you think, there are old people in africa. they dont die at 40 years of age.

Plus it might be helpful to test for people who have had it. if i had a suspicion that i had it previously, i would want to know so that i could help out in teh hospitals without having to wear all that protective gear.

eagle eye · 27-03-2020 01:53PM

Deleted User wrote:

As long as they self isolate for 14 days, nothing

Anybody coming home at this late stage should be placed in isolution at their own expense and not let go home until they have completed that.

shesty · 27-03-2020 01:53PM

iguana wrote: »

Herd immunity is somewhat quietly a part of our plan. We are working to slow the spread not stop it. Slowing it means that people are being still being infected and are still passing it about just at a slower pace. Most people who recover probably have at least several years of immunity. When reliable antibody testing becomes available, it's very likely that we will start to test en masse for it and knowing whatever percentage of the population has immunity will form part of public health policy in the nearish future.

It almost has to be.Just thinking about, I am just over 2 weeks home with kids now.In that time, we have seen nobody other than strangers at a distance on a beach.OH and I have done big shops twice in the late evenings, where the suprrmarkets were empty (we usually online shop...except all the people panicking 2 weeks ago block booked all the online shop slots for the next 2 months...so that is no longer possible for us.Shops are still well full of stock, by the way....) We have interacted with almost nobody.

We are all still healthy.2 weeks have passed.So what now?The virus is still in the country.We can't sit home forever waiting for it to be eradicated.At some point we will have to get back to some form of life, and unavoidably, I would expect us to get it at that point.

I am in agreement with what our approach is and I totally understand why, but a degree of herd immunity will come through eventually.It's just not all at once, being the key.

Hurrache · 27-03-2020 01:53PM

Jostef wrote: »

These are strange and unusual times. I think HACCP regs could be temporarily dropped. I for one would much prefer a delivery from a person untrained in food safety than have to risk going to the supermarket!

Dropping food safety could lead to contamination and illness, adding to the workload of the health services.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 01:54PM

megabomberman wrote: »

Firstly, he suggested that we should give up testing for covid and forget contact tracing, which is just totally wrong at this point. To slow the spread we need good testing and isolation protocols in line with South Korea, Singapore, China and Taiwan.

He was suggesting we should move to antibody testing at this stage which makes absolutely no sense, we have literally 5 people confirmed people who have recovered from the illness compared to nearly 2,000 people confirmed sick. Sick people generally show symptoms so are easier to identify. How at this point are we going to go about finding the bare few people who have had and recovered from the virus and what good does it do us?

He then apparently advocated a two tier system whereby recovered people go about their daily lives where the rest stay locked up. Impossible to manage and provides an incentive for people to get the virus for their 'pass'.

Finally he said Africa was the place to watch. A continent with by far the lowest population of elderly and a place where they already grapple with all manner of deadlier diseases and causes of death. It is countries like India, Turkey, Mexico and Brazil that are the places to watch, granted a few North African states will suffer badly.

He was touting vaccines by September and Trump's favourite untested drug a week ago, he's touting some antibody transfer system this time around.

He is simply infuriating.

Yeah, I would not take public health advice from a research immunologist. I say that as a former research immunologist. He knows plenty, but he's no expert in the relevant sciences. Look to the MDs and particularly epidemiologists and virologists. They probably won't talk as smoothly or confidently, and they won't jump at literally any chance to be on the radio, but they know their stuff.

tabby aspreme · 27-03-2020 01:54PM

Tea Shock wrote: »

1. Is Johnny trained? Manual handling training, risk assessment training, COVID-19 training etc.
- Yes - Johnny will have to have already received that from working in the shop next door.

2. Is Johnny's car insured for business purposes?
- Easily solved

3. Who is responsible for the maintenance of Johnny's car?
- It's part of his agreed salary

4. Tesco don't know about Johnny's driving history? Is he a safe driver? Has he a heap of penalty points etc.
- If he has a full drivers license, he is legally a safe driver. Penalty Points are easily checked

5. Is Johnny's car/vehicle temperature controlled? Can't have cold-chain perishables sitting in the back of a car on a sunny day.
- Unnecessary for individual delivers. Nobody brings their shopping home in a temperature controlled vehicle

One of the nearby Super Valu shops is using a van belonging to a local builder for deliveries, as they couldn't keep up with there own vans, it's definitely not a fridge van.

mammychicken · 27-03-2020 01:54PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Anybody heard from graces7? I notice they haven’t posted in over a week.

Yea, I'm conscious that I haven't seen any posts from Graces7 for a while, given her underlying conditions I too am concerned by her silence. Fervently hoping she's ok out there in on her atlantic island.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 01:55PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Toblerones.

Oooh, the massive ones??

cnocbui · 27-03-2020 01:56PM

silverharp wrote: »

ours does 50C

Mine as well. I probably use my oven at between 50 and 100 more than above.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 27-03-2020 01:56PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Lads I know this seems so selfish, but I'm hearing of more and more Irish people in England especially London all panicking and planning to come home

My God what will they bring with them

Dont panic,

what we should be doing is letting them home but into strict quarantine for 2 weeks when they arrive.

megabomberman · 27-03-2020 01:58PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yeah, I would not take public health advice from a research immunologist. I say that as a former research immunologist. He knows plenty, but he's no expert in the relevant sciences. Look to the MDs and particularly epidemiologists and virologists. They probably won't talk as smoothly or confidently, and they won't jump at literally any chance to be on the radio, but they know their stuff.

I have no bona fides myself but he contradicts people who are far more credible than he is consistently.

27-03-2020 01:58PM

shesty wrote: »

It almost has to be.Just thinking about, I am just over 2 weeks home with kids now.In that time, we have seen nobody other than strangers at a distance on a beach.OH and I have done big shops twice in the late evenings, where the suprrmarkets were empty (we usually online shop...except all the people panicking 2 weeks ago block booked all the online shop slots for the next 2 months...so that is no longer possible for us.Shops are still well full of stock, by the way....) We have interacted with almost nobody.

We are all still healthy.2 weeks have passed.So what now?The virus is still in the country.We can't sit home forever waiting for it to be eradicated.At some point we will have to get back to some form of life, and unavoidably, I would expect us to get it at that point.

I am in agreement with what our approach is and I totally understand why, but a degree of herd immunity will come through eventually.It's just not all at once, being the key.

I agree. There are some who seem to think that we can carry this on until we have a vaccine. We will get back to a semblance of normality before we have a vaccThe only reason for these measures is the heath service capacity. If we had unlimited capacity there would be zero need for any measures....we could just let it run unchecked.

rafatoni · 27-03-2020 01:58PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Those silly London accents.

course Bruv, init

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 01:59PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I used to run into him a lot at conferences and worked with a lot of people in his broader circle. He does know his stuff about immunology, but he's also one heck of a spoofer and very hard to listen to sometimes.

He’s a bit slick alright. I went up and asked him a question after a college lecture once thinking he’d be approachable and he wasn’t rude but kind of... distant. He had his lecture-giving persona but it seemed to be an act. He barely made eye contact with me. I always remember that because it was so weird. I’ve asked plenty of lecturers questions down the years, some more haughty in lecture-giving manner than him and he was by far the least helpful one-on-one.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 01:59PM

megabomberman wrote: »

I have no bona fides myself but he contradicts people who are far more credible than he is consistently.

He doesn't need to be accountable for any of it, so it's pretty low stakes for him to air a more exciting opinion. And there never was a subject that Luke wasn't prepared to voice an opinion on, unfortunately.

Kerry25x · 27-03-2020 02:00PM

mick987 wrote: »

The only difference between the UK and Irish Governments is the UK government said herd immunity and we did not, both doing the same things at slightly different time scales

We are community testing and contact tracing as best we can, the UK as far as I know have given up on contact tracing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sweet.Science · 27-03-2020 02:01PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Germany hopes to begin antibody testing on 100,000 random citizens in order to assess how widespread the pandemic is and the true death rate. If approved the tests may be completed by the end of April and depending on the result schools and mass gatherings may begin again.

Where did you see this ?

bennyl10 · 27-03-2020 02:01PM

megabomberman wrote: »

Firstly, he suggested that we should give up testing for covid and forget contact tracing, which is just totally wrong at this point. To slow the spread we need good testing and isolation protocols in line with South Korea, Singapore, China and Taiwan.

He was suggesting we should move to antibody testing at this stage which makes absolutely no sense, we have literally 5 people confirmed people who have recovered from the illness compared to nearly 2,000 people confirmed sick. Sick people generally show symptoms so are easier to identify. How at this point are we going to go about finding the bare few people who have had and recovered from the virus and what good does it do us?

He then apparently advocated a two tier system whereby recovered people go about their daily lives where the rest stay locked up. Impossible to manage and provides an incentive for people to get the virus for their 'pass'.

Finally he said Africa was the place to watch. A continent with by far the lowest population of elderly and a place where they already grapple with all manner of deadlier diseases and causes of death. It is countries like India, Turkey, Mexico and Brazil that are the places to watch, granted a few North African states will suffer badly.

He was touting vaccines by September and Trump's favourite untested drug a week ago, he's touting some antibody transfer system this time around.

He is simply infuriating.

That's not 100% true.
The HSE don release numbers of those recovered. There is almost certainly more than that one family

We just know of the 5 as they reported it themselves to local media

kowloon · 27-03-2020 02:01PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

:cool::P:confused::pac::D;):p:):rolleyes::o:mad::(:eek:

I want all my emoji's to feel equal about this post.

You can only ever equal my post! I never realised there was a cap on the number of emojis, I think it needs to be extended for the duration of the crisis.

Looptheloop30 · 27-03-2020 02:02PM

Matt Hancock is riddled and all

jackboy · 27-03-2020 02:02PM

Has it been confirmed if the tests are specific for covid 19? Or is it just a general test for corona type viruses?

megabomberman · 27-03-2020 02:02PM

2lazytogetup wrote: »

I agree that excessive resources are being used in testing. i dont see the point. if i got the symptoms and was stuck in bed. im not going to get in my car and drive to croke park. if i get really sick, ill phone ambulance/hse.

and i think africa is the place to watch as I cant imagine they have many ventilators. And despite what you think, there are old people in africa. they dont die at 40 years of age.

Plus it might be helpful to test for people who have had it. if i had a suspicion that i had it previously, i would want to know so that i could help out in teh hospitals without having to wear all that protective gear.

I don't outright disagree with anything you say here, it's not black and white. My big issue was Luke O'Neill suggested we abandon covid testing and tracing and move to antibody testing right now, which I find ridiculous.

Also it would appear that the only way we get back to some semblance of normal life without covid tearing through us like a brush fire is mass testing. The WHO have stated this consistently. Luke O'Neill has decided that they were implying antibody testing when they stated this. Which is completely without basis.

Ardent · 27-03-2020 02:02PM

silverharp wrote: »

as for mask shortage, here is one solution

https://twitter.com/peterfreed/status/1242629357211987968

Is it possible to re-use a mask after, say, 7 days?

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 02:03PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Where did you see this ?

https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-grosse-antikoerper-studie-soll-immunitaet-der-deutschen-feststellen-a-c8c64a33-5c0f-4630-bd73-48c17c1bad23?d=1585300132&sara_ecid=soci_upd_wbMbjhOSvViISjc8RPU89NcCvtlFcJ

podgeandrodge · 27-03-2020 02:03PM

musing on this - if I am at home with my wife, and I have a tiny bit of a cough and a very minor sore throat on and off, and my wife is fine, if it was corona would she not have it by now (assuming noT asymptomatic), or is it safe to say that it isn't therefore corona. If that makes sense! (No fever)

kowloon · 27-03-2020 02:03PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Toblerones.

Looking at the Swiss numbers, I think there might be a run on the Toblerones soon.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03