CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

spookwoman · 27-03-2020 02:18PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why people are going about the place wearing gloves. Ok, you might want to keep your hands clean but why did I see someone wearing gloves and smoking a fag at the same time? Are people really that clueless? It's hand washing and not touching your face is the most important thing to be doing.

Smoking is defeating the purpose , reason why lot of people wear gloves is to give themselves 1 more layer of protection. Fair enough washing is fine if you can get to a sink with hot water and soap or sanitizer after coming out of very shop. And if done properly it works.
No gloves - you go into shop you touch stuff that might be infected, you come out and get into your car and transfer whatever and then when you get into the house same and then you need to wash hands, steering wheel etc.
Gloves - you shop you remove gloves properly and anything you may have picked up stays on the gloves.

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 02:19PM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Dont panic,

what we should be doing is letting them home but into strict quarantine for 2 weeks when they arrive.

Not a snowball`s chance in hell of that happening.

Ardent · 27-03-2020 02:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why people are going about the place wearing gloves. Ok, you might want to keep your hands clean but why did I see someone wearing gloves and smoking a fag at the same time? Are people really that clueless? It's hand washing and not touching your face is the most important thing to be doing.

Saw a lady yesterday exiting supermarket with gloves on. Stopped to answer her phone. Shortly after, she returned the trolley, discarded gloves, sanitised hands, jumped in her car, and back on the phone. Anyone see the problem here?

Hobgoblin11 · 27-03-2020 02:20PM

Matt 'Hancock' not living up to his name is now ill with covid, not invincible anyway

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 02:21PM

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has warned that intensive care units may be at capacity "within a few days".

Mr Varadkar said he was concerned about admission rates to intensive care and said there was an unprecedented effort being made by the health services.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0327/1126691-coronavirus-ireland/

Drumpot · 27-03-2020 02:21PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

More travel/transit in and out of here. Even if its short term trips.

Kiwi people don't have a Northern Italy close by.

Or a UK or a Spain or a France or more then one country that many of its population visit regularly. Australia is so sparsely populated, its hardly comparable with some of Europes biggest citys.

Not just that, the political fallout of closing borders with Northern Ireland are bigger then people are making out. It could do untold damage to the Northern relations.

And then there is our relationship and free movement agreements within the EU. I am not sure how well it would go down if we arbitrarily made big decisions that could impact other communities.

I like the way our authorities have closed things down in stages and taken extra steps/decisions as they felt were needed. I feel this whole "they should close everything or stop all flights" is kind of panic talk, particularly if this is going to go on for months or maybe even a year or two. There is no benefit to closing every single thing (including flights from everywhere) if we are going to have to have scattered openings and closures over the next 18 months.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 02:23PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Right I've chosen a country with a similar population size to Ireland New Zealand: So New Zealand have 368 cases 0 deaths and 37 recovered

Ireland has 1,819 cases 19 deaths 5 recovered.

What have Ireland done wrong? New Zealand should close their boarders to Ireland as it is clearly out of control there.

They are not comparable. New Zealand is one of the most isolated countries in the world, Ireland is highly socially connected and physically close to one of the most densely populated and cosmopolitan continents in the world. Ireland also receieves significantly more tourists and from much more diverse areas of the world

Away With The Fairies · 27-03-2020 02:24PM

Is the HSE still demanding that you have to have two symptoms to be tested.

Going by their website, their symptoms are
- fever
- cough
- shortness of breath
- breathing difficulties

Is that what they are looking for, two of those?

What about other symptoms that people had
- feeling like a cold
- sore throat
- tiredness
- aches and pains
- loss of sense of smell and taste

Surely they need to update their website. Someone could have very mild symptoms like a cold and think they're fine because they're not showing the symptoms that's on the HSE website and go about the place spreading it. We all have a part to play in reducing the spread of this. People need a full list of symptoms. Clearly relying on HSE is no good.

cloudatlas · 27-03-2020 02:24PM

Seamai wrote: »

New Zealand is a lot more isolated than Ireland with much less travel to and from there.

That's not entirely true it's a top working abroad and tourist destination and is very close to Australia.

zinfandel · 27-03-2020 02:25PM

lobbylad wrote: »

Not the same, when you bring your groceries home in your car, you have already bought them, they are yours to transport however you please.

When Tesco delivery them, they are not yours until they are delivered, Tesco is responsible for ensuring their quality for the journey.

they just have to knock the frozen stuff on the head for the moment, there are courier drivers with vans being let go because the on line shopping is being stopped by some of the big companies, they could be brought on line and utilised by the supermarket chains, win, win for all involved.

paul71 · 27-03-2020 02:25PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Right I've chosen a country with a similar population size to Ireland New Zealand: So New Zealand have 368 cases 0 deaths and 37 recovered

Ireland has 1,819 cases 19 deaths 5 recovered.

What have Ireland done wrong? New Zealand should close their boarders to Ireland as it is clearly out of control there.

There can be no correlation between an Island nation the edge of a continent of 750 million people and another that is slightly further from another Island of 25 million and thousands of kilometers from anywhere else.

s1ippy · 27-03-2020 02:26PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is the HSE still demanding that you have to have two symptoms to be tested.

Going by their website, their symptoms are
- fever
- cough
- shortness of breath
- breathing difficulties

Is that what they are looking for, two of those?

What about other symptoms that people had
- feeling like a cold
- sore throat
- tiredness
- aches and pains
- loss of sense of smell and taste

Surely they need to update their website. Someone could have very mild symptoms like a cold and think they're fine because they're not showing the symptoms that's on the HSE website and go about the place spreading it. We all have a part to play in reducing the spread of this. People need a full list of symptoms. Clearly relying on HSE is no good.

They don't want people to be aware of the full list because there are key ones which doctors refer for testing with and if people knew them there would be another 20,000 being referred every day.

paul71 · 27-03-2020 02:26PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

That's not entirely true it's a top working abroad and tourist destination and is very close to Australia.

25 million in Aus, 750 million in Europe.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 02:27PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

That's not entirely true it's a top working abroad and tourist destination and is very close to Australia.

Still only recieves 25-50% of the travellers Ireland receives annually. Ireland's tourists are also from many different countries and continents , New Zealands mostly Australia and South East Asia

paleoperson · 27-03-2020 02:27PM

I never thought I'd get to the point where I'd be rationing garlic, it's so cheap and you get so much together. But it's sold out and I don't know when it's going to be back in stock.

s1ippy · 27-03-2020 02:29PM

paleoperson wrote: »

I never thought I'd get to the point where I'd be rationing garlic, it's so cheap and you get so much together. But it's sold out and I don't know when it's going to be back in stock.

If you have a root, stick it in some soil. Sometimes they sprout. It's a great grower. Better still (as supermarket varieties are often sprayed to prevent sprouting) run to the garden center. Stay safe though!

Jin luk · 27-03-2020 02:29PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

That's not entirely true it's a top working abroad and tourist destination and is very close to Australia.

Alot more passengers would fly threw dublin each day than their airports and then boats too from the uk and france

27-03-2020 02:29PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I don't know any oven which can go as low as 70 degrees celsius or 158 degrees fahrenheit

Really? I've two and they both start at 50C. Don't think they're anything special?

cloudatlas · 27-03-2020 02:30PM

wakka12 wrote: »

They are not comparable. New Zealand is one of the most isolated countries in the world, Ireland is highly socially connected and physically close to one of the most densely populated and cosmopolitan continents in the world. Ireland also receieves significantly more tourists and from much more diverse areas of the world

I can use other examples if you like Norway, Finland, Singapore....

New Zealand is a top tourist destination which is close to Australia.

RugbyLad11 · 27-03-2020 02:31PM

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Really? I've two and they both start at 50C. Don't think they're anything special?

It seems everyone's oven in this thread starts at 50C, it must be just my ****e oven that doesn't go that low:D

cloudatlas · 27-03-2020 02:31PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Alot more passengers would fly threw dublin each day than their airports and then boats too from the uk and france

How can Ireland be safely compared to the U.K. then, the population of their capital is more than our country?

bob mcbob · 27-03-2020 02:31PM

wakka12 wrote: »

They are not comparable. New Zealand is one of the most isolated countries in the world, Ireland is highly socially connected and physically close to one of the most densely populated and cosmopolitan continents in the world. Ireland also receieves significantly more tourists and from much more diverse areas of the world

While not as isolated as NZ, Iceland is pretty remote especially in winter. With their mass testing they have identified the largest number of cases per capita 2608 per million and they only started testing 2 weeks ago.

On that basis I wonder what the real numbers are here.

Seamai · 27-03-2020 02:32PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Leo reckons our ICU beds will be full in a matter of days.
Rte breaking news

I notice the overall tone here is turning quite negative here in the last day or two, some who were praising the powers that be a short few days ago are now turning on them. We knew there would be deaths in the high risk groups, yes the new cases are increasing but if that can be kept down to a reasonable rate it may be possible to manage it. It might be no harm if we all spent a bit less time on here and on our phones in general, being a bit more careful where we take our information from and taking time out to chill and do something we enjoy.

Stay safe everyone.

Away With The Fairies · 27-03-2020 02:32PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Smoking is defeating the purpose , reason why lot of people wear gloves is to give themselves 1 more layer of protection. Fair enough washing is fine if you can get to a sink with hot water and soap or sanitizer after coming out of very shop. And if done properly it works.
No gloves - you go into shop you touch stuff that might be infected, you come out and get into your car and transfer whatever and then when you get into the house same and then you need to wash hands, steering wheel etc.
Gloves - you shop you remove gloves properly and anything you may have picked up stays on the gloves.

It doesn't just stay on the gloves though. People can reach into their pockets or handbags with the gloves on after touching stuff. They will touch their clothes they're wearing in some way as well. So it's providing a false sense of security.

munsterlegend · 27-03-2020 02:33PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

How can Ireland be safely compared to the U.K. then, the population of their capital is more than our country?

Every country is different in its own ways. The most similar to us would probably be Scotland wales or the north in terms of location and population density.

Also a region can just be unlucky. It’s believed Bergamo was badly affected due to a champions league match which spread the infection like wildfire.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 02:34PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I can use other examples if you like Norway, Finland, Singapore....

New Zealand is a top tourist destination which is close to Australia.

Norway is the most comparable of them, Norway has more cases

Hector Savage · 27-03-2020 02:35PM

lefty "liberal" scum showing their usual compassion by gloating about Boris getting the CV19 ....

RugbyLad11 · 27-03-2020 02:35PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I can use other examples if you like Norway, Finland, Singapore....

New Zealand is a top tourist destination which is close to Australia.

What are you trying to argue? New Zealand received 3.88 million tourists in 2019 while Ireland received 11.2 million tourists

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/international-travel-january-2019

https://www.newstalk.com/news/11-million-tourists-estimated-visited-ireland-2019-939569

spookwoman · 27-03-2020 02:36PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It doesn't just stay on the gloves though. People can reach into their pockets or handbags with the gloves on after touching stuff. They will touch their clothes they're wearing in some way as well. So it's providing a false sense of security.

Its an added layer of protected but nothing is fool proof.

cloudatlas · 27-03-2020 02:37PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Norway is the most comparable of them, Norway has more cases

It's remote and has less tourists than Ireland.

My point is the metrics we are using to compare countries is not sound i.e. Ireland and the U.K.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03