CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

lawrencesummers · 25-03-2020 08:28PM

Nonoperational wrote: »

I’ve been involved first hand this week again in a large hospital in Ireland. I’ve seen approx 60 patients with covid or ? Covid. I know some people here will scoff and call me a HSE shill and think I’m a wanker etc, but....

The effort we are making (As we should) is ****ing massive. This week we treated 2 patients with expensive experimental trial drugs and they both are cautiously improving. People are being flexible accommodating and generally sound to work with. I said initially that we really do have some fantastic docs here. I stand by that. There is a unique Irish balance of attitude, practicality, common sense and surprising smartness that we hide a lot of the time.

I sincerely hope it’s not a false optimism but I genuinely strive for us to look back at this and say we threw absolutely everything at it and we will compare favourably when we are looking back with the benefit of hindsight. It’s early early days. But we need to stop the exponential phase. Everybody needs to work really really hard at it.

It shouldn’t and certainly doesn’t for me take a Once in a lifetime Event like this for me to appreciate the work that healthcare professionals in this country do. I’ve been hospitalised many times, and the nursing care I have received is exemplary, I’ve been to maternity hospitals and an older experienced midwife is the greatest thing you can hope for at that stage in your life, and we have loads who have delivered thousands of babies, reared their own and walk new mothers through the process with Confidence and assurance.

The issue with healthcare in this country has never been with the front line.

Hopefully you steer clear of it, because it’s healthcare workers that are getting the brunt of this.

ACitizenErased · 25-03-2020 08:28PM

2 assumptions, correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Recovery numbers haven't been updated because the majority of cases are self-isolating at home and nobody's keeping track.

2) ICU number is total to date, and not that many people are actually in ICU.

martingriff · 25-03-2020 08:29PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

presume you think we shouldn't know that there have been casualties so

Where did I say that show me. People dies it is very sad that is all we need to know not if they were 15 or 85. Will you grieve more if they are younger!!!

dePeatrick · 25-03-2020 08:29PM

paddythere wrote: »

Several stories on the news of people purposely coughing in other people's faces for a laugh? Is this for real? People like that need to be rounded up and culled.

If somebody does that to me, given the current situation, I am taking it as a threat against my life (and my family's lives) and will be letting the fists fly (even on teenagers).

What are people's thoughts on these stories and how are they planning on reacting if this situation happens to them?

I always carry an umbrella, if someone coughed in my face my reaction naturally would be to quickly bring both hands to my face...Now your Honour, how was I to know that this natural reaction would result in my brolly sweeping upwards quickly and the aluminium end sharpened and pointed by many years of walking would slice the scobies face from chin to scalp! When I took my hands down all I saw was this cretin covered in blood wailing and in fear of my life I brought said brolly down rapidly on his head in one single sweep...mea cupla...he died that night, the poor ignorant wretch...what a pity. My brolly was bent...but next day I had a steel rod put in to replace the aluminium one, I believe in upcycling.

Nonoperational · 25-03-2020 08:29PM

tom1ie wrote: »

451? Someone mentioned 600 a couple of posts ago.
This is an important figure to get right.

Its changing every day. ICU public beds are one figure but another critical figure is how many people we can ventilate outside the ICU essentially making temporary ICU beds. This is limited by staff and ventilators but we are working hard on both. We will be able to ventilate far far more than just the static status quo ICU bed numbers if the time comes.

Could we still get overwhelmed, yep. But we can work hard and hope. Every delay to exponential growth and every contact that stops happening is a help.

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 08:29PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Its does seem that italy has a high death rate when it comes to the flue. Well over 1% when the USA has about 0.1% so there may be something else going on in Italy.

It’s completely pointless comparing statistics from different countries. Each of them must be counting in different ways. Germany’s number of deaths seems incredibly low. Maybe they are just counting deaths where Covid is the principal cause of death whereas others are including deaths where Covid is just a contributory cause.
The only way we will ever know is much further down the line where the official statistics will show by how much deaths increased during the epidemic. It may be that the number could be a lot less than was reported as being due to Covid.

TheMilkyPirate · 25-03-2020 08:30PM

Can't believe there are little knackers coughing in peoples faces. I hope everyone is on the same page with regards to this that is that if it happens you lamp them. No other way of dealing with that ****e could be a matter of life or death for your parents or elderly relatives.

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 08:30PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Thats yesterdays figures im fairly certain, worldometer has those exact figures for yesterday and the number reported today so far is higher then 8077

Apologies

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 08:30PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think a lot of the positive action by the government. I think this stems from the fact that they effectively lost the last election.
They see it as an opportunity to win the next one / national security.
I obviously can't speak to the motive but fair play to them.

Look what's happening in UK and US. Keep business going, oh wait do shut down. Oh how long can this go on.

They are all under extreme pressure from their main financial backers to get things going at the soonest opportunity.
They are heeding the public health advice and gambling essentially that it will pay off when this blows over.

They didn't have my last vote but if we get through this better than most countries they will have my vote.

boardise wrote: »

I thought FG acted with integrity post-election -they said -ok we lost, we get the message so we'll become the opposition and the other 125 TDs can work it out among themselves. I didn't get the impression that anyone else were busting their butt to get into government even before the virus appeared as a presence in the country.
What could the outgoing government do ? Would they be have been thanked if they resigned en masse ? Could they resign now and say -actually folks we realise that we don't really have a proper electoral mandate to stay in office -so we're off -good luck with the virus thingy.

Resign? Are you serious.

I'm glad they are there and I'm glad of the measures they are taking.

HSE press conferences are a different story.

Wombatman · 25-03-2020 08:30PM

If large swathes of the population is already have already been infected is there any point in widespread testing? Boffins in Oxford suggest over 50% for Britons have contracted the virus, many already have recovered.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

timhenn · 25-03-2020 08:30PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Perfect reply to your 'joke'

Unfortunately, cards were handed out for those responses. I hope they didn't pick up a ban for it.

unplayable · 25-03-2020 08:31PM

I live in london. Wanted to get out of there. Lucky enough to have a family home in the countryside to self isolate in. Came by ferry yesterday which was packed then drove down south from Dublin roads were dead. It was the quietest I have ever seen the roads. I really think people are staying put.

25-03-2020 08:31PM

A few pages back so one asked if the ICU numbers were a total needing it or the number in ICU now. Another poster said it’s a running total and that’s what I believed but reading the undate again it looks like that’s the total that have needed icu not the number in ICU now.

Quoting the test from RTÉ website

Over 305 cases - 26% - have been hospitalised so far.

Of those hospitalised cases, 39 have been admitted to ICU.

To me that looks like a total number rather than the current number. This is a key distinction as if it’s the total who needed it it’s a lot more positive than if it’s the number in ICU now.

kilkenny31 · 25-03-2020 08:31PM

martingriff wrote: »

Where did I say that show me. People dies it is very sad that is all we need to know not if they were 15 or 85. Will you grieve more if they are younger!!!

I personally would grieve more for a 15 year old.

Looptheloop30 · 25-03-2020 08:32PM

Somebody get Holohan a pint lads. Playing a stormer

AlmightyCushion · 25-03-2020 08:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

2 assumptions, correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Recovery numbers haven't been updated because the majority of cases are self-isolating at home and nobody's keeping track.

2) ICU number is total to date, and not that many people are actually in ICU.

1) The CMO said yesterday that they have not provided any figures for recoveries yet and the 5 recoveries being mentioned did not come from them or the HSE.

2) That would make sense to me.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 08:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Two assumptions, correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Recovery numbers aren't being reported because the majority are self-isolating at home, and nobody is keeping track.

2) ICU Number of 39 is total to date, there's less than that in ICU right now.

You call out two assumptions and make two yourself

TheMilkyPirate · 25-03-2020 08:32PM

martingriff wrote: »

Where did I say that show me. People dies it is very sad that is all we need to know not if they were 15 or 85. Will you grieve more if they are younger!!!

Personally yes I would grieve more for a 15 year old than I would an 85 year old.

whisky_galore · 25-03-2020 08:32PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Fine the fcukers and their parents if underage

Who is going to fine them? The Coughing Wardens?

moonlighting_1 · 25-03-2020 08:32PM

Iceland’s mass testing finds half of carriers show no symptoms, No wonder it spreads so easily

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms

Seamai · 25-03-2020 08:33PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There are 5 confirmed recoveries in Ireland as of today's figures according to Worldometers

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

There were 5 last week, surely there are some more by now.

john_doe. · 25-03-2020 08:33PM

If someone is non symptomatic , how long are they infectious for ?

They won't show any syptoms but I assume they can carry it for up to 14 days or more .

So if person A is non symptomatic , and meets person B on day 14 , person B may not show symptoms for + another 14 days.

This would mean if living someone and the infection came into house on day 0 with person A, person B would not possibly show symptoms for 28 days ?

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 08:34PM

As of midnight on Monday, 39 people diagnosed with Covid19 had been admitted to Intensive Care Units

crossman47 · 25-03-2020 08:34PM

Banner2theend wrote: »

Thought that Dr Holohan was showing the signs of strain at tonight's DOH presser. A bit spiky I thought with his answers. Any thoughts?

I'm not surprised. George Lee came in with a set of questions asked 30 mins earlier. Where was he? The docs have enough to do .

Ace2007 · 25-03-2020 08:34PM

Banner2theend wrote: »

Thought that Dr Holohan was showing the signs of strain at tonight's DOH presser. A bit spiky I thought with his answers. Any thoughts?

Didn't watch it - but the lad is probably sick of reporters asking him all sorts of questions - in his day job he wouldn't have this exposure would he?

niallo27 · 25-03-2020 08:34PM

Wombatman wrote: »

If large swathes of the population is already have already been infected is there any point in widespread testing? Boffins in Oxford suggest over 50% for Britons have contracted the virus, many already have recovered.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

If that's the case we should be doing an antibody test as well to prove this, how easy or hard this is I dont know.

Nonoperational · 25-03-2020 08:35PM

Seamai wrote: »

There were 5 last week, surely there are some more by now.

Lots of positive cases self isolating at home. It'll be hard to define their "recovery" point. The recoveries is always very slow at updating.

lawrencesummers · 25-03-2020 08:35PM

rodDaly69 wrote: »

His 'independence' isn't a source of humour. People being blind to the guy looking for cash off his videos, is mildly funny, while also maddening.

"What’s he using his PayPal money for? Do you know?" - well as he says:

"If you would like to donate to this project, please use the link below, thank you,"

i.e. if you want him to keep pumping out more and more of his musings that are not in his particular field of specialty, but like the misery and anxiety p0rn, please throw me a few quid.

I take what he says, and I take what the mainstream news channels say and I make up my own mind. I don’t dismiss him because his qualifications don’t stack up in some regard. Qualifications are not the be all and end all of anything, I’ve been in hospital where the Most senior doctor on duty treating me was UNABLE, actually unable to correctly give me a morphine injection.

If you don’t like him then don’t watch him, I find his information concise, to the point and coming from a point of view where the agenda is not the biggest thing.

If his CV isn’t up to your standards then don’t watch the guy.

GooglePlus · 25-03-2020 08:35PM

Wombatman wrote: »

If large swathes of the population is already have already been infected is there any point in widespread testing? Boffins in Oxford suggest over 50% for Britons have contracted the virus, many already have recovered.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

Behind a pay wall.

igCorcaigh · 25-03-2020 08:35PM

john_doe. wrote: »

If someone is non symptomatic , how long are they infectious for ?

They won't show any syptoms but I assume they can carry it for up to 14 days or more .

So if person A is non symptomatic , and meets person B on day 14 , person B may not show symptoms for + another 14 days.

This would mean if living someone and the infection came into house on day 0 with person A, person B would not possibly show symptoms for 28 days ?

Yes, but 14 days is at the very end of the scale, so unlikely. For two to be on that scale, even more unlikely.

But in principle, yes.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP