CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 05:02PM

STB. wrote: »

We are lucky there. They are made in Galway. Medtronic do 50% of the world supply
.
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/medtronic-double-production-ventilators-galway-ireland

Both France and Germany banned the export of all medical equipment.

These are the things that concern me, when people tell you that our government are doing a great job...

Spain also raided medical factories, and requisitioned vital equipment that they needed. And they are absolutely correct to do so, in this type of emergency situation!

But Paddy? Nope... Paddy puts ventilators on a plane to New York!

eastie17 · 25-03-2020 05:02PM

briancoolcat wrote: »

Great post regarding the sudden drop off in hospital numbers as soon as this crisis hit. The GPs were sent a directive to stop sending non medical emergencies to our hospitals. For obvious reasons I can't post the source up on an internet forum. When this crisis has passed I truly hope that the HSE, the government, and the GPs get together and deal with the amount of people clogging up the service with minor ailments allowing our A and E departments to deal with real true emergencies and not having to deal with all the time wasting that was going on before. Let's hope something positive comes out of it anyway.

And hence anyone who rang up with symptoms before yesterday, in keeping with the HSE guidance at the time to do so, their GPs sent them for testing. GPs will say the amount of litigation means they always have to err on the side of caution. In a "normal" time that means, anything anyway borderline, off to A&E with you, hence blocked up A&Es. There is of course also the wasters not paying for the service who go there whenever they want and are now staying away.
Its the right call to cancel the tests and reclassify but, and I get its a fast changing situation but they cant expect people to follow government instruction unquestioning then it changes significantly in a week. It would have been better, in order to maintain trust if they explained "you know what lads, those instructions last week to ring your GP and everyone get tested were a bit mad" "Were changing now and heres why"
Constantly quoting the WHO isnt great either, those were the eeijets who said travel away lads, except to Northern Italy. And then except to wherever else the virus was out of control. DOH. I get not "over reacting" when over in China but once we saw a major cluster here, time to start ramping up the advice.

Gynoid · 25-03-2020 05:03PM

growleaves wrote: »

A German infectious diseases specialist said that "Northern Italy is the China of Europe" in terms of air pollution and smoking and that decades of accumulated lung damage had left Italians in a hoop.

I think Germany has better medical care facilities as well.

Hmmmm. This idea that northern Italy is some kind of hotbed of prior lung weakness contradicts the oldest population in Europe status. Unless hopping off the fags and being bathed in pollution are some kind of longevity boost at all other times except now?

lbj666 · 25-03-2020 05:03PM

KaneToad wrote: »

"McGregor" and "top class" are not three words that go together.

Doesn't matter, his words might actually resonate with those where no one else would.

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 05:03PM

growleaves wrote: »

A German infectious diseases specialist said that "Northern Italy is the China of Europe" in terms of air pollution and smoking and that decades of accumulated lung damage had left Italians in a hoop.

I think Germany has better medical care facilities as well.

If they have a lot of heavy smokers, how come they had the second highest number of over-70s in the world, (after Japan).
Something doesn’t add up there.?

25-03-2020 05:05PM

harr wrote: »

Just had text form a friend who has just tested positive.. no major symptoms bit of a cough which wasn’t clearing as he has a child with a poor immune system GP sent him to be tested.
Under new protocol he wouldn’t have been tested and he was sure it was only a cold.
Still doesn’t feel majorly unwell.
His GP was on the ball and he was in self isolation from early on .. but he could have very well dismissed it as a cold and carried on with life.
Goes to show how important social distancing is , everyone should presume that everyone they meet has it ..

Is this going to be a problem moving forward? Have we gone from testing too many to testing not enough maybe under the new system? Is it the plan to loosen restrictions again on testing as we ramp up the number being done? Surely we can't let the symptom-less positive cases fall through the cracks eventually?

SharpshooterTom · 25-03-2020 05:06PM

kowloon wrote: »

Poor choice of colour.

Why can you not see it?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 25-03-2020 05:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this going to be a problem moving forward? Have we gone from testing too many to testing not enough maybe under the new system? Is it the plan to loosen restrictions again on testing as we ramp up the number being done? Surely we can't let the symptom-less positive cases fall through the cracks eventually?

The testing numbers remain the same. I would imagine we are hoping to test more at a higher risk and less at a lower test.

The targets to ramp up testing have remained the same.

bekker · 25-03-2020 05:07PM

thebaz wrote: »

Havnt posted in here for 2 weeks - just wondering, anyone any idea why German statistics are so much better than Spain and Italy ?

Are they doing more random testing , and Spain and Italy only testing people very sick with virus -

Currently Spain have nearly 2,500 in a serious condition , and Italy nearly 3,500 while Germany has only 23 in serious condition.
Germany has a total of 36,000 cases ,
Spain has nearly 48,000
and Italy nearly 70,000

Germany has best hospital bed, and critical care bed per '000 numbers in Europe.

High level of conformity with government directions, and faith in government's ability to preform effectively (somewhat dented in recent years).

Great organisational ability at most administrative levels. Aside from personal generalisations, see below.

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/satellite-imagery-of-covid-19-testing-facilities-munichgermany/

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 05:07PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

These are the things that concern me, when people tell you that our government are doing a great job...

Spain also raided medical factories, and requisitioned vital equipment that they needed. And they are absolutely correct to do so, in this type of emergency situation!

But Paddy? Nope... Paddy puts ventilators on a plane to New York!

Who is Paddy?

As to why Ireland would be more reluctant, if a company is fully German or Spanish owned it is easier. Ireland hasn't that many indigenous industry.

Lemsiper · 25-03-2020 05:08PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Why can you not see it?

Because of the colour choice.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 05:09PM

Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff? Like ten times lower than yesterday.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 25-03-2020 05:11PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff?

Each state reports separately. We don't see the total national figures till much later in the evening I believe.

Ce he sin · 25-03-2020 05:11PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff?

No, they report at intervals during the day.

spookwoman · 25-03-2020 05:12PM

Yep was @ 200 odd 30 or o mins ago now its 5110

mohawk · 25-03-2020 05:13PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

These are the things that concern me, when people tell you that our government are doing a great job...

Spain also raided medical factories, and requisitioned vital equipment that they needed. And they are absolutely correct to do so, in this type of emergency situation!

But Paddy? Nope... Paddy puts ventilators on a plane to New York!

I am in biopharma myself and not med devices so no expert in ventilators. But my experience of pharmaceuticals tells me we import majority of raw materials required to make our products. How different is that in the med device sector? I wonder where all the parts, raw materials etc come from to make those ventilators because if we play games like that we could find ourselves not able to make any ventilators.

SharpshooterTom · 25-03-2020 05:13PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Yep was @ 200 odd 30 or o mins ago now its 5110

That will be New York coming in.

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 05:15PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff? Like ten times lower than yesterday.

I believe NY is very high

Has Spain surpassed Italy?

Rob A. Bank · 25-03-2020 05:17PM

INMO Trolley Watch figures for March 25th 2020

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

Only 12 beds short today.

Spanish Eyes · 25-03-2020 05:17PM

joe40 wrote: »

Obviously time wasters were a problem but severe drop in numbers like that also mean that a lot of people that need medical attention are not accessing it. I wonder how many undiagnosed cancers have there been in the last few weeks?
Obviously health system and workers are doing the best they can in this time but this backlog will cause suffering and potential deaths also. Maybe unavoidable in the circumstances but not insignificant.

There will surely have to be an analysis of the total drop off in figures attending A/E. Hopefully.

I doubt many attend A/E with cancer symptoms. Usually there is something not right, off to GP, then tests, then treatment. All outside A/E system.

threeball · 25-03-2020 05:17PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff? Like ten times lower than yesterday.

They'll surpass italy by tomorrow. China within 1 to 2 days after. But its ok, it'll be all done by Easter, Easter is a beautiful date.

spookwoman · 25-03-2020 05:17PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I believe NY is very high

Has Spain surpassed Italy?

Italy not in yet still at 69,179 / 6820
spain 5 hrs ago new 5110/28 totals 47610/3434 probably see another update later

Jinglejangle69 · 25-03-2020 05:18PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

INMO Trolley Watch figures for March 25th 2020

https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

Only 12 beds short today.

Lets be honest.

This crisis has shown some people in this country to be ignorant of their fellow people and timewasters.

Wonder what else the government gets blamed for but is really just morons causing the problem.

25-03-2020 05:18PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The testing numbers remain the same. I would imagine we are hoping to test more at a higher risk and less at a lower test.

The targets to ramp up testing have remained the same.

According to various news reports yesterday, China kept some 40,000 symptom-less positive cases off their stats, so their true number maybe was 120,000 cases and not 80,000. If we are associating the relevant symptoms with possibly having CV so you subsequently get a test, and excluding those potential positives with no symptoms, isn't getting the whole thing under control harder if as many as one third are potentially symptom-less carriers?

Hector Savage · 25-03-2020 05:19PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I believe NY is very high

Has Spain surpassed Italy?

Not yet, but the rate of new infections is higher.

They are praying here the peak comes this week.

I have heard though that the peak in Spain won't be till late April, I find that hard to believe since we've been in lockdown for almost 10 days.

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-03-2020 05:19PM

KaneToad wrote: »

"McGregor" and "top class" are not three words that go together.

Generally not, I can't stand the man. Fair is fair though.

eldamo · 25-03-2020 05:19PM

briancoolcat wrote: »

Great post regarding the sudden drop off in hospital numbers as soon as this crisis hit. The GPs were sent a directive to stop sending non medical emergencies to our hospitals. For obvious reasons I can't post the source up on an internet forum. When this crisis has passed I truly hope that the HSE, the government, and the GPs get together and deal with the amount of people clogging up the service with minor ailments allowing our A and E departments to deal with real true emergencies and not having to deal with all the time wasting that was going on before. Let's hope something positive comes out of it anyway.

i dunno we were sent to crumlin with our chap for tonsilitis at a point when it was abundantly clear covid was around.

they had us in and out of there in no time,

that said, it is a new gp, and I think 50% of our visits to her have been referred onwards to A&E, sigh

(my wife is pregnant, so sometimes i suppose it's necessary)

Thelonious Monk · 25-03-2020 05:19PM

Looks like I'm contact tracing from Friday. Delighted to be able to do something.

all about the mane · 25-03-2020 05:19PM

mohawk wrote: »

I am in biopharma myself and not med devices so no expert in ventilators. But my experience of pharmaceuticals tells me we import majority of raw materials required to make our products. How different is that in the med device sector? I wonder where all the parts, raw materials etc come from to make those ventilators because if we play games like that we could find ourselves not able to make any ventilators.

All parts for those ventilators are imported. They are only assembled here

spookwoman · 25-03-2020 05:20PM

All countries, top ones, and top eu all listed. Updated a few times a day.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VnTtGtEGyzDr1sAdoFieLpUeUUP0mbzryebHGUbISj4/edit?usp=sharing

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP