Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

1…266267269271272…329

Comments

  • #8042
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    thebaz wrote: »
    Havnt posted in here for 2 weeks - just wondering, anyone any idea why German statistics are so much better than Spain and Italy ?

    Are they doing more random testing , and Spain and Italy only testing people very sick with virus -

    Currently Spain have nearly 2,500 in a serious condition , and Italy nearly 3,500 while Germany has only 23 in serious condition.
    Germany has a total of 36,000 cases ,
    Spain has nearly 48,000
    and Italy nearly 70,000

    It's not random testing it's community testing. Like we offer our people.

    Spain and Italy have moved to hospital only testing. Basically the only way you can get a test in those countries is through A&E. German does community testing in test centres like we do.

    Secondly I don't believe the serious case numbers and the deaths numbers are consistent across different countries. Spain and Italy are calling any infected person dieing a coronavirus death.

    It's my understanding that infected people in Germany are dieing of heart attacks and pneumonia.

    There's a few other points I could raise that I've seen in German and English language news sources but I'm not a medical expert and I've felt the certainty in the suggestions is lower.


  • #8043
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Sounds like you guys might need them too.. how is your death total matching the south, with far less confirmed cases?

    Is that under testing? Or something else?

    I'm trying to find it, but once I saw a map of the average age of Ireland and the highest was North Down and Strangford (on the whole island). That might be something to do with it.


  • #8044
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Wrong.

    Governors have a lot of power in these times, its up to Governor Cuomo to decide whether or not New York state can re-open, not Trump.
    Depends on whether T's figures show he's going to be in a better long term position by supporting, or screwing over the governors (or the majority of them).

    He controls direction of federal funding support, and allocation of federal strategic equipment reserves.


  • #8045
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Havnt posted in here for 2 weeks - just wondering, anyone any idea why German statistics are so much better than Spain and Italy ?

    A German infectious diseases specialist said that "Northern Italy is the China of Europe" in terms of air pollution and smoking and that decades of accumulated lung damage had left Italians in a hoop.

    I think Germany has better medical care facilities as well.


  • #8046
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Surely the Govt. could step in and requisition them for Irish domestic use.

    How thin our beliefs in free market globalisation really is.

    I kind of agree that we should try get first dibs on these but we cant really be seen to try and get one up on other countries either.


  • Advertisement
  • #8047
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    thebaz wrote: »
    Havnt posted in here for 2 weeks - just wondering, anyone any idea why German statistics are so much better than Spain and Italy ?

    Are they doing more random testing , and Spain and Italy only testing people very sick with virus -

    Currently Spain have nearly 2,500 in a serious condition , and Italy nearly 3,500 while Germany has only 23 in serious condition.
    Germany has a total of 36,000 cases ,
    Spain has nearly 48,000
    and Italy nearly 70,000


    The Robert Koch daily report for Germany can be downloaded from this page:https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/...te/Gesamt.html

    The report in German shows that they have a low hospitalisation rate:
    Translated with Google: "Hospitalization was reported in 1,783 of the 19,797 reported COVID-19 cases (9%)."


  • #8048
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    josip wrote: »
    As stupid as not being able to read the article properly?

    Head of public health in the south is not much better in fairness. I cancelled my flights abroad on the 10th March and I am just a lowly commoner. If a person in such a position cannit make a responsible choice then they cannot chastise others for also being dingbats.


  • #8049
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭joe40


    briancoolcat wrote: »
    Great post regarding the sudden drop off in hospital numbers as soon as this crisis hit. The GPs were sent a directive to stop sending non medical emergencies to our hospitals. For obvious reasons I can't post the source up on an internet forum. When this crisis has passed I truly hope that the HSE, the government, and the GPs get together and deal with the amount of people clogging up the service with minor ailments allowing our A and E departments to deal with real true emergencies and not having to deal with all the time wasting that was going on before. Let's hope something positive comes out of it anyway.

    Obviously time wasters were a problem but severe drop in numbers like that also mean that a lot of people that need medical attention are not accessing it. I wonder how many undiagnosed cancers have there been in the last few weeks?
    Obviously health system and workers are doing the best they can in this time but this backlog will cause suffering and potential deaths also. Maybe unavoidable in the circumstances but not insignificant.


  • #8050
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    Found it:
    image.png

    Oldest age groups of Ireland are the north east, hence why NI might be the more vulnerable than the ROI in this pandemic.


  • #8051
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,074 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Found it:
    [IMG]https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1830101.1402587299!/image/image.png_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.png Oldest age groups of Ireland are the north east, hence why NI might be the more vulnerable than the ROI in this pandemic.[/img]

    Poor choice of colour.


  • Advertisement
  • #8052
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    STB. wrote: »
    We are lucky there. They are made in Galway. Medtronic do 50% of the world supply
    .
    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/medtronic-double-production-ventilators-galway-ireland

    Both France and Germany banned the export of all medical equipment.

    These are the things that concern me, when people tell you that our government are doing a great job...

    Spain also raided medical factories, and requisitioned vital equipment that they needed. And they are absolutely correct to do so, in this type of emergency situation!

    But Paddy? Nope... Paddy puts ventilators on a plane to New York! :confused:


  • #8053
    eastie17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭eastie17


    briancoolcat wrote: »
    Great post regarding the sudden drop off in hospital numbers as soon as this crisis hit. The GPs were sent a directive to stop sending non medical emergencies to our hospitals. For obvious reasons I can't post the source up on an internet forum. When this crisis has passed I truly hope that the HSE, the government, and the GPs get together and deal with the amount of people clogging up the service with minor ailments allowing our A and E departments to deal with real true emergencies and not having to deal with all the time wasting that was going on before. Let's hope something positive comes out of it anyway.

    And hence anyone who rang up with symptoms before yesterday, in keeping with the HSE guidance at the time to do so, their GPs sent them for testing. GPs will say the amount of litigation means they always have to err on the side of caution. In a "normal" time that means, anything anyway borderline, off to A&E with you, hence blocked up A&Es. There is of course also the wasters not paying for the service who go there whenever they want and are now staying away.
    Its the right call to cancel the tests and reclassify but, and I get its a fast changing situation but they cant expect people to follow government instruction unquestioning then it changes significantly in a week. It would have been better, in order to maintain trust if they explained "you know what lads, those instructions last week to ring your GP and everyone get tested were a bit mad" "Were changing now and heres why"
    Constantly quoting the WHO isnt great either, those were the eeijets who said travel away lads, except to Northern Italy. And then except to wherever else the virus was out of control. DOH. I get not "over reacting" when over in China but once we saw a major cluster here, time to start ramping up the advice.


  • #8054
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    growleaves wrote: »
    A German infectious diseases specialist said that "Northern Italy is the China of Europe" in terms of air pollution and smoking and that decades of accumulated lung damage had left Italians in a hoop.

    I think Germany has better medical care facilities as well.

    Hmmmm. This idea that northern Italy is some kind of hotbed of prior lung weakness contradicts the oldest population in Europe status. Unless hopping off the fags and being bathed in pollution are some kind of longevity boost at all other times except now?


  • #8055
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    KaneToad wrote: »
    "McGregor" and "top class" are not three words that go together.

    Doesn't matter, his words might actually resonate with those where no one else would.


  • #8056
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    growleaves wrote: »
    A German infectious diseases specialist said that "Northern Italy is the China of Europe" in terms of air pollution and smoking and that decades of accumulated lung damage had left Italians in a hoop.

    I think Germany has better medical care facilities as well.

    If they have a lot of heavy smokers, how come they had the second highest number of over-70s in the world, (after Japan).
    Something doesn’t add up there.?


  • #8057
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    harr wrote: »
    Just had text form a friend who has just tested positive.. no major symptoms bit of a cough which wasn’t clearing as he has a child with a poor immune system GP sent him to be tested.
    Under new protocol he wouldn’t have been tested and he was sure it was only a cold.
    Still doesn’t feel majorly unwell.
    His GP was on the ball and he was in self isolation from early on .. but he could have very well dismissed it as a cold and carried on with life.
    Goes to show how important social distancing is , everyone should presume that everyone they meet has it ..

    Is this going to be a problem moving forward? Have we gone from testing too many to testing not enough maybe under the new system? Is it the plan to loosen restrictions again on testing as we ramp up the number being done? Surely we can't let the symptom-less positive cases fall through the cracks eventually?


  • #8058
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    kowloon wrote: »
    Poor choice of colour.

    Why can you not see it?


  • #8059
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is this going to be a problem moving forward? Have we gone from testing too many to testing not enough maybe under the new system? Is it the plan to loosen restrictions again on testing as we ramp up the number being done? Surely we can't let the symptom-less positive cases fall through the cracks eventually?

    The testing numbers remain the same. I would imagine we are hoping to test more at a higher risk and less at a lower test.

    The targets to ramp up testing have remained the same.


  • #8060
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    thebaz wrote: »
    Havnt posted in here for 2 weeks - just wondering, anyone any idea why German statistics are so much better than Spain and Italy ?

    Are they doing more random testing , and Spain and Italy only testing people very sick with virus -

    Currently Spain have nearly 2,500 in a serious condition , and Italy nearly 3,500 while Germany has only 23 in serious condition.
    Germany has a total of 36,000 cases ,
    Spain has nearly 48,000
    and Italy nearly 70,000
    Germany has best hospital bed, and critical care bed per '000 numbers in Europe.

    High level of conformity with government directions, and faith in government's ability to preform effectively (somewhat dented in recent years).

    Great organisational ability at most administrative levels. Aside from personal generalisations, see below.

    https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/satellite-imagery-of-covid-19-testing-facilities-munichgermany/


  • #8061
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    These are the things that concern me, when people tell you that our government are doing a great job...

    Spain also raided medical factories, and requisitioned vital equipment that they needed. And they are absolutely correct to do so, in this type of emergency situation!

    But Paddy? Nope... Paddy puts ventilators on a plane to New York! :confused:

    Who is Paddy?

    As to why Ireland would be more reluctant, if a company is fully German or Spanish owned it is easier. Ireland hasn't that many indigenous industry.


  • Advertisement
  • #8062
    Lemsiper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Lemsiper


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Why can you not see it?

    Because of the colour choice.


  • #8063
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff? Like ten times lower than yesterday.


  • #8064
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff?

    Each state reports separately. We don't see the total national figures till much later in the evening I believe.


  • #8065
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ce he sin


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff?


    No, they report at intervals during the day.


  • #8066
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,149 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Yep was @ 200 odd 30 or o mins ago now its 5110


  • #8067
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    These are the things that concern me, when people tell you that our government are doing a great job...

    Spain also raided medical factories, and requisitioned vital equipment that they needed. And they are absolutely correct to do so, in this type of emergency situation!

    But Paddy? Nope... Paddy puts ventilators on a plane to New York! :confused:

    I am in biopharma myself and not med devices so no expert in ventilators. But my experience of pharmaceuticals tells me we import majority of raw materials required to make our products. How different is that in the med device sector? I wonder where all the parts, raw materials etc come from to make those ventilators because if we play games like that we could find ourselves not able to make any ventilators.


  • #8068
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Yep was @ 200 odd 30 or o mins ago now its 5110

    That will be New York coming in.


  • #8069
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Have the US daily increases just fallen off a cliff? Like ten times lower than yesterday.

    I believe NY is very high

    Has Spain surpassed Italy?


  • #8070
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    INMO Trolley Watch figures for March 25th 2020

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

    Only 12 beds short today.


  • Advertisement
  • #8071
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    joe40 wrote: »
    Obviously time wasters were a problem but severe drop in numbers like that also mean that a lot of people that need medical attention are not accessing it. I wonder how many undiagnosed cancers have there been in the last few weeks?
    Obviously health system and workers are doing the best they can in this time but this backlog will cause suffering and potential deaths also. Maybe unavoidable in the circumstances but not insignificant.

    There will surely have to be an analysis of the total drop off in figures attending A/E. Hopefully.

    I doubt many attend A/E with cancer symptoms. Usually there is something not right, off to GP, then tests, then treatment. All outside A/E system.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement
Advertisement