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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #5282
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Who does he think he is?

    If it wasnt for the epidemic ironically its probably the safest time to go to the pub - when Conner is in lockdown...


  • #5283
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Given yesterday was 1,125:

    15% = 169
    20% = 225
    30% = 338.
    What are you trying to show?

    As is being pointed out repeatedly there is a significant backlog in testing. There is also a limit on the number of tests being done each day and a further timelag in delivering results after a test

    Anything you see today will be on the back of 2,500 tests or so they did 1-2 weeks ago. There is not going to be much if any significance if the figures are up 30% or down 30%. We need to see much more real-time, or even recent, data before we can start to draw any conclusions


  • #5284
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Here, if he gets through even to only one tosser, then no harm done.

    He didn't say anything when everyone was in the pubs drinking Proper 12.


  • #5285
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Antares35 wrote: »
    My Dad had a stay in a Spanish hospital last year when he broke his hip. He said the experience was a hundred times better than the one he had here. He had his own room, faster healing time, better follow up care etc. But, like you said, it is easier to be at home. A broken hip is one thing (and routine enough), but a pandemic that could end his life is quite something else and I wish he was here :( I can't stop thinking about what will happen if they get it and have nobody with them. And it does seem like we have it under control and have fewer numbers in ICU etc. Spain seems like a total mess right now.

    Yes...we are all hoping that.
    My belief is two weeks from now we will know if we have dodged a bullet or not.
    Moving forward tho we won't be able to go back the way it was.
    to keep this thing at bay till we get a vaccine or treatment we will have to keep a lot of the measures still in place :(


  • #5286
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭techdiver


    accensi0n wrote: »
    It seems pretty clear from what you quoted:

    'IT reported this morning that HSE confirmed to them that we only have the current capacity to process 33% of 4,500 daily tests'

    This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

    Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

    What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.


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  • #5287
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Here, if he gets through even to only one tosser, then no harm done.

    Better than that wan from Ant Man who is ignoring the whole thing with the hashtag #businessasusual . Dopey Mare

    Edit- Evangeline Lilly


  • #5288
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    yermandan wrote: »
    This is absolutely INSANE.

    Has to be the most complete example of a narcissist I have ever encountered

    I'm not so sure, if we're going to play top trumps narcissist edition I think I've already mentioned the guy in the top spot. ;)


  • #5289
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    bekker wrote: »
    IT reported this morning that HSE confirmed to them that we only have the current capacity to process 33% of 4,500 daily tests. Apparently all the extra hospital base labs that were announced are tied up processing internal testing.

    This is extremely serious, as it also reported that some of the tests may be too degraded to process.

    We now appear to be in the situation of a 40,000 test backlog, and when 4,500 daily tests achieved a 3,000 daily processing backlog being added to the existing backlog of tests awaiting processing.

    Though some of us here have long suspected the development of this scenario, it's still frightening to have it confirmed.


    Is this the article you're referring to?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-test-backlog-how-did-it-emerge-and-can-it-be-controlled-1.4210269

    I don't see where is mentions only 33% of 4,500 tests awill be carried out. 33% of 4,500 is 1,350, and we're currently getting through ~2,000 a day as it is.

    You said that the extra hospital labs are tied up processing internal testing. That means the plan is hospital labs will process Covid samples from patients that are in the hospital and its healthcare workers. Samples from the community will be sent to the NVRL.

    The samples can also be frozen and stored if required to prevent sample degradation.


  • #5290
    yermandan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭yermandan


    kowloon wrote: »
    I'm not so sure, if we're going to play top trumps narcissist edition I think I've already mentioned the guy in the top spot. ;)

    Can't argue with that in fairness


  • #5291
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    ettravel wrote: »
    Cuomo is a class act.

    I'm expecting him to be acclaimed as Democratic party candidate for President at the party congress (which may or may not happen)

    He is approx 15 years younger than Biden, Sanders and importantly Trump and shows a clear talent for management, leadership and inspiration. I would argue, that the Governorship of a wealthy populous state like New York is far more appropriate experience to be President than a Senator, Congressman or even Vice President. Also, he knows all of Trumps dirt from NY. All if it.


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  • #5292
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    jackboy wrote: »
    Could be another HSE screwup.

    So, possibly the extra samples were taken for PR reasons to make it look like the HSE are doing something. But, unless there are more lab staff hired and new equipment purchased then these samples cannot be analyzed. This means that most of the tests will go in the bin rather than being analyzed.

    Is this theory correct? Or am I off the mark?

    Way off.


  • #5293
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    is_that_so wrote: »
    A friendly face that everyone loves! Celebs have been at this all over the place. They mean well.

    At the very worst he's doing no harm, so I'm not going to criticise him for this. It might wisen up some of the younger lads who won't listen to anyone else.


  • #5294
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    techdiver wrote: »
    This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

    Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

    What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.

    There was something the other day when talking with the lab guy that they needed extra computing capacity. One suggestion would be setup something like seti@home and have people use their computers to run the numbers. Once a packet is done it uploads back to the main system.


  • #5295
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Governor of New York says peak in NYC will be 2-3 weeks away, 4-6 weeks for the rest of the U.S
    Has advised that screening for people with antibodies should take place across the country so those people can go back to work and maintain the economy


  • #5296
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Way off.

    I hope you are correct. Taking samples without lab capacity for timely analysis would be worrying.


  • #5297
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


    He is nailling Trump to the cross...
    ettravel wrote: »
    Cuomo is a class act.


  • #5298
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    techdiver wrote: »
    This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

    Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

    What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.

    Yes, and every press conference someone says "we are XXX cases now", where they really are saying "a week/10 days ago we were at least xxx cases".

    As several posters have said the only reliable up to date figures we have are deaths and number in ICU.


  • #5299
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    So true, especially the bunch of **** that headed to McD's when they heard it was closing. Its hard to imagine that there are that many utterly stupid people in this country.

    I actually have no problem with them as they were drive through so they are apart


  • #5300
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Lot of curtain-twitchers on this thread.

    Mind your own business and stop looking out the window would be my advice.

    Keep your MrPrice advice

    What makes you think I wasn't minding own business :confused: It was an observation on peoples behaviours who live next to me or on my road, peoples houses in which I have to pass in order to go for a walk or go to get food. It's not that hard to comprehend. Their actions have an impact on the people that they have around them and to the greater public.

    Like the many we have seen in the past few days, they are consciously ignoring government recommendations regarding social distancing etc and are not taking this situation seriously. I couldn't give a fiddlers fart what people do in their own homes as that's none of my business but when adults openly display irresponsible and selfish behaviour, when in
    the time of a global pandemic that has the potential to impact the public and those who are vulnerable, through community transmission, it becomes my business! Talking about it on a public discussion forum and highlighting the utter disregard shown by adults towards public health, simply does not equate to being a "curtain-twitcher", its selfish and dangerous!!!


  • #5301
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Bergamo has a population of only 120,000

    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1242461575077859330
    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    If that's all true you're talking about 1 in 8 30 year olds in Bergamo are currently in hospital with pneumonia. It seems too bad to be true (I hope).


    I suspect he's referring to the province of the same name (pop. 1.1 million) rather than the town/city.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Bergamo


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  • #5302
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    techdiver wrote: »
    This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

    Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

    What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.
    Fully agree, the inertia to be overcome to switch the prevailing 'Official Mindset' from it's normal "That can't be done because" over to the "Let's get a working solution to this by morning, people" is massive, and there is no evidence that political will and drive to do that is there.

    To the usual suspects, please read carefully and provide evidence, not assertions.


  • #5303
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Meanwhile in Sweden!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/


  • #5304
    flashforward
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭flashforward


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    As several posters have said the only reliable up to date figures we have are deaths and number in ICU.


    Unfortunately this is not true. I know of a case in the 'east' where the patient is in ICU and it took 5 days for the C-19 positive result to come back. For 5 days this patient was in ICU and wasn't even listed as an active case let alone a 'serious/critical' case.

    Truly shocking.


  • #5305
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bekker wrote: »
    Fully agree, the inertia to be overcome to switch the prevailing 'Official Mindset' from it's normal "That can't be done because" over to the "Let's get a working solution to this by morning, people" is massive, and there is no evidence that political will and drive to do that is there.

    To the usual suspects, please read carefully and provide evidence, not assertions.
    This is an assertion!:D


  • #5306
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Meanwhile in Sweden!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/

    I can see that ending well.


  • #5307
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    EDITORIAL: STAY AT HOME
    https://twitter.com/WaterfordNS/status/1242416431205158912?s=20


  • #5308
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I can see that ending well.
    It is headscratching for sure. Wait and see on it I guess.


  • #5309
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


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  • #5310
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Meanwhile in Sweden!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/

    Sweden really is lost.


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  • #5311
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    India has just gone into full lockdown. if 1.6 Billion people are being put in lockdown. Why cant the Irish Govt do the fuking same?


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