CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

otnomart · 24-03-2020 12:53PM

BoatMad wrote: »

We don’t , each country has to take account of demographics and pop density etc , Dublin may need more extreme measures, but Ireland has a tiny fraction of the population density the UK has. We need to take account of national circumstances rather then just simply aping others

I think social distancing in Dublin is a real challenge, because (together with London) it must be the European capital with the highest number of accomodation sharing.

In other European cities, people live with the families (as mentioned already for Italy and Spain) or on their own.

If you take a house share with 4 flatmates from 4 different Counties, they have close contacts not only with each other, but also with 4 different workplaces and then with 4 different sets of friends and 4 different families.

I think there should be a Gov plan of requisitioning Hotels and using them for the quarantine of positive cases - as it is already happening elsewhere.

24-03-2020 12:53PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Really? Is that true? I mean that they said it.

That's what they consider contact worth recording in the contact tracing..

fr336 · 24-03-2020 12:54PM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

I'm not picking on you here MOR316 but it is alarming that this is not general knowledge at this stage and may help explain why we continue to have so many in the country flout the recommendations made by the HSE et al.

This added to the questionable statements about wearing masks, the 15 minute nonsense, and no highlighting of the potential for aerosolised transmission could be doing untold damage in this country

Yes the thing about many people displaying no symptoms at all but being inadvertent carriers was big news in the first stages of this in UK. But this seems to have completely disappeared from the public discourse - exactly what we need it front and centre!

cdgalwegian · 24-03-2020 12:55PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Really? Is that true? I mean that they said it.

Normal conversation from 2 metres away, with someone not coughing; 15 mins deemed exposed.

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 12:55PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/italy-virus-cases-10-times-higher-than-reported-repubblica-says?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3899fI6o2jIVIRGwFRyrt1wxqD6d6YSq5WZYdJiCo_aIA-Djczajh66f0#Echobox=1585042244
It's thought that only 10% of Italy's cases are being reported

Was posted earlier on, great news in the long run if true. The death rate reduces drastically if correct.

spookwoman · 24-03-2020 12:55PM

BKtje wrote: »

A friend has it and she lost her taste. A colleague opposite me has lost taste and smell but is fine apart from that. Not recognised at symptoms here so no home office for him. We're in IT for a food giant so limited on site support is required.

Heard about that about 4 days ago, bbc or sky it was.

kingshankly · 24-03-2020 12:56PM

Spain figures are heart breaking

deathbomber · 24-03-2020 12:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Was posted earlier on, great news in the long run if true. The death rate reduces drastically if correct.

old news, for all countries,long known infection rates are 10 or 20 x what is known

Lavinia · 24-03-2020 12:56PM

Virus can spread by infected surfaces eg person sneezed or coughed on some surface and virus is now on that surface
virus can survive up to 3 days on surfaces like plastic and stainless steel
it does deteriorate with time but still if other person touches that surface then touches their face eg mouth or eyets they can get infected.

deathbomber · 24-03-2020 12:59PM

Lavinia wrote: »

Virus can spread by infected surfaces eg person sneezed or coughed on some surface and virus is now on that surface
virus can survive up to 3 days on surfaces like plastic and stainless steel
it does deteriorate with time but still if other person touches that surface then touches their face eg mouth or eyets they can get infected.

coronavirus can survive for nearly up to a month on metal and hard plastic surfaces, indeed the majority of the virus dies but active cells are still present, dependent on temperature and humidity etc, any fluctuations ii.e. parcels travelling through different climates will eradicate the virus

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 01:00PM

deathbomber wrote: »

old news, for all countries,long known infection rates are 10 or 20 x what is known

Lets hope its 100 or 200 times what is known. This will be over faster than we think if that is the case.

otnomart · 24-03-2020 01:00PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The numbers testing positive isnt a good thing to compare countries with at all. The numbers hospitalized, the amount in ICU and the number of deaths are the only things that matter.

And the lenght of time in ICU.
"With the coronavirus, they're in ICU an average of two or three weeks, as can be seen in other countries"
From a Netherlands source: https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/24/coronavirus-keep-icus-busy-months-patients-risk-brabant-doctor-says

ILoveYourVibes · 24-03-2020 01:01PM

By the way may i ask a question?

It might be stupid....but

Why is it numbers went down three days in a row in Ireland from 196 to 191 to 126 to 102 then went up again? Was it different testing?

Also why when the numbers in Italy went down for two days did people think this was a sign of a turn around so quickly but they didn't here?

They had changes in Italian testing recently too.

I am not a statistician but why the difference in reaction?

Is it just because we have accepted the surge is going to come etc?

DrumSteve · 24-03-2020 01:02PM

sadie1502 wrote: »

Like what? Be more specific

Most public spaces, beaches, parks and so forth being closed.

Again, take it with a pinch of salt, but tbh these would be people who would deal in that area.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-03-2020 01:03PM

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Normal conversation from 2 metres away, with someone not coughing; 15 mins deemed exposed.

Oh yes i think my mother is still following that.

I mean she is social distancing but walking away after 15 mins. I won't be able to stop her.

Its best not to try.

So its not true then? You can stay at this distance for longer?

otnomart · 24-03-2020 01:03PM

kingshankly wrote: »

Spain figures are heart breaking

and the French as well, they do have a high number of deaths

Renjit · 24-03-2020 01:03PM

deathbomber wrote: »

coronavirus can survive for nearly up to a month on metal and hard plastic surfaces, indeed the majority of the virus dies but active cells are still present, dependent on temperature and humidity etc, any fluctuations ii.e. parcels travelling through different climates will eradicate the virus

Do you have a source or report link to justify this claim?

deathbomber · 24-03-2020 01:04PM

Renjit wrote: »

Do you have a source or report link to justify this claim?

this has been discussed before and is well known, google it if you must!

* actually i just did again and new studies are out and indeed the time frame is a lot shorter, however to be sure, i would take th month as it is in the same family as SARS andd tests were done on this and were found to be circa 30 days survival, just be careful

ILoveYourVibes · 24-03-2020 01:05PM

TBH i think they will put Ireland into lockdown from social pressure. I wish there was as much pressure on them for testing.

Rob A. Bank · 24-03-2020 01:05PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 24 March 2020 @ 08:00 hrs.

novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-03-24.png?itok=o8qfxeqU

novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-03-24.png?itok=o8qfxeqU

The barchart seems to have leveled off a bit for daily cases in Europe over the last 5 days.

Perhaps the mitigation measures are showing an effect, but it is far too early to be sure.

Larger clickable version of the barchart here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 01:05PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

By the way may i ask a question?

It might be stupid....but

Why is it numbers went down three days in a row in Ireland from 196 to 191 to 126 to 102 then went up again? Was it different testing?

Also why when the numbers in Italy went down for two days did people think this was a sign of a turn around so quickly but they didn't here?

They had changes in Italian testing recently too.

I am not a statistician but why the difference in reaction?

Is it just because we have accepted the surge is going to come etc?

Well on the Italy side of things, its because they introduced their lock-down about 14 days ago so it would make sense for numbers to be dropping, also the death rates dropped 2 days in a row which is a better indication than positive tests.

Strumms · 24-03-2020 01:05PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Just curious as to how others feel about people dropping leaflets in door's, during this time.

We had a milkman put a leaflet through the door. I was furious, my partner not so much. Think's the man was doing no harm.

I think it’s wise that people don’t involve themselves in actions that are not necessary. Leaflet dropping is unnecessary. Be it in relation to products being sold, services rendered or charity organizations... whatever... people need to be responsible and stay the fück home and leave people alone in these worrying times.

downcow · 24-03-2020 01:06PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/italy-virus-cases-10-times-higher-than-reported-repubblica-says?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3899fI6o2jIVIRGwFRyrt1wxqD6d6YSq5WZYdJiCo_aIA-Djczajh66f0#Echobox=1585042244
It's thought that only 10% of Italy's cases are being reported

This was said at one of the UK Boris updates last week that for every one reported 10 had it

ILoveYourVibes · 24-03-2020 01:06PM

otnomart wrote: »

and the French as well, they do have a high number of deaths

They don't. They have 800 dead.

Italy has 6000 dead with a population of 60 million.

Whereas China has 3000 dead with a population of one billion. Let that sink in.

RollieFingers · 24-03-2020 01:08PM

Hopefully we don't need a full on lockdown, city centre is grand at the minute, not many around and majority are social distancing. I'm on my break from work before anyone asks why I'm there

shesty · 24-03-2020 01:08PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

By the way may i ask a question?

It might be stupid....but

Why is it numbers went down three days in a row in Ireland from 196 to 191 to 126 to 102 then went up again? Was it different testing?

Also why when the numbers in Italy went down for two days did people think this was a sign of a turn around so quickly but they didn't here?

They had changes in Italian testing recently too.

I am not a statistician but why the difference in reaction?

Is it just because we have accepted the surge is going to come etc?

It may be to do with an increase in tests feeding into that jump. (I can't confirm or deny that by the way, haven't done the research)
Also exponential curves tend to jump every third day. If I remember my maths correctly.

walshb · 24-03-2020 01:09PM

Are we expecting more test results for today compared to yesterday?

is_that_so · 24-03-2020 01:09PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

By the way may i ask a question?

It might be stupid....but

Why is it numbers went down three days in a row in Ireland from 196 to 191 to 126 to 102 then went up again? Was it different testing?

Also why when the numbers in Italy went down for two days did people think this was a sign of a turn around so quickly but they didn't here?

They had changes in Italian testing recently too.

I am not a statistician but why the difference in reaction?

Is it just because we have accepted the surge is going to come etc?

The model for us was for 30% increase but not necessarily a flat 30%, some days might be higher some lower. So far we are below that but we may well get that 30% at some point. They expect to see the effect of the current measures in the next week and hopefully signs of that curve flattening they want to achieve.
In Italy there is hope that they may have peaked.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-03-2020 01:11PM

Thank you to both posters who answered my question. Niallo and Shesty.

Are we expecting more test results for today compared to yesterday?

I would expect so.

citytillidie · 24-03-2020 01:11PM

4th death here in the North

CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP