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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Zero new confirmed cases in the USA in the last 24 hours, according the today's WHO Situation Report. Confirmed is .post definitely the operative word.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    sink wrote: »
    I see a lot of criticism of Governments not closing down flights or shutting borders, and using common sense that would seem logical. However when you examine the problem using epidemiological mathematical modelling it will show that closing borders has a limited effect in the basic reproduction number of infection (aka R0), which is really the only factor we are trying to control. By lowering the R0 we give our health service the time to treat patients without being overwhelmed and therefore increase the survivability rate and have better outcomes for patients overall, this we all know by now is termed 'flattening the curve'.

    So why don't borders work? To start with borders can not be perfectly sealed, unless we want to become an even more totalitarian state than North Korea some people will cross them. One example is we need to import many essential goods and raw material such as oil in order to keep society functioning and this has to be done by people. With the profile of this disease it is impossible to properly screen for it as many are infected are asymptomatic. So cutting off contact from the outside world entirely is impossible even in the short term.

    Once the virus is in the community it doubles infections every 3-4 days in populations where no internal controls are in place. This is what is known as exponential growth, simply put the more infected there are the faster new people get infected. Uncontrolled spread within the community with quickly outpace the number of infected coming from outside the community, even if you pack every jet and ferry with 100% infected people, left uncontrolled the community transmissions would dwarf them in a matter of weeks even if started with just one infected person.

    So we need to focus on slowing the spread within the community, and the only method we have to do this is social distancing. Social distancing techniques work for those people arriving into the country as well, following proper guidelines they won't infect more people than anyone else already in the community. Jets and ferries should limit their capacities so people are kept a safe distance, exceptions can be made for family units of course.

    The Washington Post have an excellent article which show these epidemiological models working in real time, I highly recommend looking at it to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

    Excellent read.
    Really articulated the border issue


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    hawkwing wrote: »
    It's all just a bad dream Bobby

    Pam had the dream. She woke up to find Bobby in the shower. He was just back from Atlantis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Syncpolice wrote: »
    They need to make an announcement stop this happening


    They did! On the news!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    There will be some ques outside the social welfare office tomorrow, how are they going to deal with 50k approx people arriving at their doors tomorrow.

    And they will have to collect their payments from the cramped post office which I do every week ! They dont allow automated payments for JSA only illness benefit. So are the thousands on JSA to go to the postie from tommorow on to collect cash thats madness


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is anyone else a bit scared?

    I'm scared I'll still be here reading thread CoVid-19 Part M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    I have had a cough and cold symptoms since last week. I work for the emergency services, I have been told to take the next two weeks off work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Are standard dust masks of any use or a waste of time if going down the shops?:confused:

    Not necessarily a waste of time. Very often what we call a list mask is in fact an fp3 or fp2. A lot of 3m masks are quite decent.

    Problem is using it properly. (fit, putting on, sealing it, not touching it, taking it off correctly). Government thinks most people can't do that so advise against. I'd take my chances to be honest with help of youtube. Droplets hang in the air for an hour (HSE said) need eye protection otherwise could contract.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is anyone else a bit scared?

    I'm surprised they are not showing more of the recovered or recovering stories. I think that would help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Perfect opportunity to significantly roll back the EU and cut funding from us to Eastern European proto-fascists. In particular, I doubt Italy will be all that fond of the EU afterwards.

    Are you for real.
    Pear head of capita Ireland has received more funding from the EU than any other EU member.
    About time some of the other EU members had there share


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    derossi wrote: »
    I have had a cough and cold symptoms since last week. I work for the emergency services, I have been told to take the next two weeks off work.

    Will you be tested ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


    derossi wrote: »
    I have had a cough and cold symptoms since last week. I work for the emergency services, I have been told to take the next two weeks off work.
    Are you going to get a test?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭lfen


    Location of 1 confirmed case


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    dan786 wrote: »
    According to a Government statement, the exceptional measures required to encourage social distancing will have an immediate impact on many employers. Although these measures are temporary they have, and will lead, to temporary business closures.

    The statement says there is an important role for employers in helping the country to respond.

    Following discussions with some industry groups today the Government is asking employers, if at all possible, to continue to pay workers during this period - at least at the jobseeker rate of €203 per week.

    This refund, the statement continues, means that workers will retain their link with employers and there is no need for them personally to submit a job seekers claim.

    The refund scheme will take some time to set up but in the meantime the Banks have been requested to provide working capital finance in the form of overdrafts or short term loans to cover costs.

    This is a bit much to ask I think. Any small employer after closing up will be doing well to cover their own living expenses without being asked to pay this on a promise that they might get it back at some indeterminate point in future. Perhaps it's too much to ask the Department of Social Protection to get its finger out and process the applications. Take the staff off auditing to help. And perhaps also take some staff from other departments that could be helping out in vital tasks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is anyone else a bit scared?

    I go through bouts of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    I've never seen so much manure being shared on WhatsApp. Saw a message that said to stop taking nuerefon as its ingredients react negatively with the virus. Another message said that come Tuesday, shops will only be open for a few hours everyday and queues will be restricted to 100 (doesn't even make sense, will there be a queue for the queue). It also mentioned the Army and to get people into even more of a frenzy, it said to stock up on bottled water and baby supplies.

    Not only are people are widely sharing this ****e, they're believing it. Hell mend them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    Italy mortality rate is at 7.3%... holy f*ck

    been climbing steadily since 3 march which was over 3%. China was always 2-4% during its worst. Think spain and France going that way as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Johnny1999


    Azatadine wrote: »
    I'm surprised they are not showing more of the recovered or recovering stories. I think that would help.

    That doesn’t make for sensational news though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭derossi


    Shn99 wrote: »
    Are you going to get a test?


    Yes, I will rimg my GP tommorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    derossi wrote: »
    I have had a cough and cold symptoms since last week. I work for the emergency services, I have been told to take the next two weeks off work.

    Were you tested?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭jos28


    And they will have to collect their payments from the cramped post office which I do every week ! They dont allow automated payments for JSA only illness benefit. So are the thousands on JSA to go to the postie from tommorow on to collect cash thats madness

    No, in fairness to the Government they have set up an employer refund scheme. So long as employers can pay laid off employees €203 per week, they can claim it back from SW. This eliminates the need for individuals to claim JSB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    I've never seen so much manure being shared on WhatsApp. Saw a message that said to stop taking nuerefon as its ingredients react negatively with the virus. Another message said that come Tuesday, shops will only be open for a few hours everyday and queues will be restricted to 100 (doesn't even make sense, will there be a queue for the queue). It also mentioned the Army and to get people into even more of a frenzy, it said to stock up on bottled water and baby supplies.

    Not only are people are widely sharing this ****e, they're believing it. Hell mend them.

    Neurofen is an anti inflammatory which are known to cause problems. That is not bs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


      derossi wrote: »
      Yes, I will rimg my GP tommorrow.

      Hope all goes well for you.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭forgodssake


      .


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


      derossi wrote: »
      I have had a cough and cold symptoms since last week. I work for the emergency services, I have been told to take the next two weeks off work.

      They are not testing you? (Frontline workers will be very precious in the coming week, it seems like using a test to discard the virus and hopefully have you back earlier would be worth it)

      Best wishes to you and your colleagues for the tough times ahead.


    • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


      I can't understand why people are talking about the army getting involved?.

      Sure what are they going to do! Farcical. The general public again being shown up as idiots


    • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


      Another thing that worries me is the reality of economics and how it isn't as simple as people think just to shut down various places.

      All these at risk groups such as the elderly, disabled etc rely on benefits to keep them alive. If non essentials roles are locked down I don't know what will happen to these things with a reduced tax rate that will make the recession look like a laugh

      Gardai, healthcare workers etc may volunteer to keep working without pay but what about the various supplies needed to aid them.

      As said this is coming from my view that a 2/3/4 week lockdown is grand in theory but I'm astonished at the amount of people I've been talking to that believe this magically means it will allow the virus to "blow over" once lockdown is lifted it only takes a handful to start another blitz of it again

      Can we handle possible months of continuous lockdowns? I don't know


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    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


      Zero new confirmed cases in the USA in the last 24 hours, according the today's WHO Situation Report. Confirmed is .post definitely the operative word.

      Those are good numbers. Very good numbers. People are working tremendously hard to get to the best numbers. The best!


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    • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


      As a kid up until maybe 4 year's ago I wondered if at a time in my lifetime will we have a world wide crisis and how we can cope.

      I can only stress we're all in it together, even if we're broke after a few weeks and living on welfare, we'll all be in the same boat and pretty much equal.

      Im going to catch up with my fishing, surfing and hiking.
      Family are all married except myself and I'm going it alone.
      Ironically one of my best friends has Multiple sclerosis and the other has immunity problems, so its best we just stay in contact through the phone.

      I've nothing against drinkers and junkies being honest I was one myself up until 2003 and I got clean and sober.
      Off it all 17 years, it doesn't mean that I am better than anyone else but I try to be a better person for my friends and family.

      It just gall led me hearing about people out drinking in pubs etc but honestly if I was still drinking and drugging there would be a COVIT 19 party at my place and I probably wouldn't give a fck.

      So I can identify with people who want to socialise and party its not because they want to harm anyone its because they just want to get out and about.
      If that's their thing so be it.


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