CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP

alastair · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

completedit wrote: »

Just let our nearest neighbor who have shown no care for curtailing the virus to move back and forth at will. Even if it is Irish people coming back, the virus doesn’t know that, it’s just people who have been living their lives as normal while the rest of us are in quarantine mode. I suppose though, I gather there is testing now at the airports given that the traffic is much more manageable. How the **** HSE workers were telling people coming back from Cheltenham to ‘see how they are’ just boggles the mind.

There’s no testing at airports. Taking someone’s temperature is no test of infection, merely a possible symptom. Not everyone who’s infected even runs a temperature, even after the illness becomes apparent.

lobbylad · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

The virus is carried within people who travel through borders. Not difficult to understand.
The 'keep the borders open' reaction seems to be from people who would gladly let the virus spread and people die rather than take any action that might seem 'nationalistic'

Rubbish, the virus is already in Germany, and a handful of additional cases that might come across from France are not going to make a difference (relatively).

Germany (like here) now has to control the rate of spread of the virus, closing the border won't help that in any way. And in fact, if they introduce limits on gatherings or bar/restaurant/etc closures, then the resources used to keep the borders closed would be better used in ensuring that restrictions on gatherings are adhered to.

There is perhaps an argument to ground flights, as one infected person could infect an entire plane load, but that's not the same as closing land borders.

The time for closing land borders to have an effect has long gone past us.

No country has unlimited resources, and those resources should be best used to limit the spread of the virus, IMO closing a land border between countries such as Germany and France will have little effect on the spread.

lainey_d_123 · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

Went to look to buy a bike this morning because our London office is refusing to close, and I'm not going to take public transport anymore. None of them were suitable and I had to order one in, but bought a few bits and pieces like lights and helmet. Fella on the tills was rubbing his nose and mouth the entire time and looked at me like I had 2 heads when I insisted on tapping my card instead of handing it to him.

I feel like I live in a parallel universe.

MarkY91 · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

ZX7R wrote: »

In order
1st cancel parades
2nd close the pubs
Now close the borders
This forum will end up with little to give out about

People will moan either way. What the government do or don't do, people will be calling them clowns regardless.

BarryD2 · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Same "finger of blame" could be pointed all health authorities. This thing was always going to break out regardless, just like the flu' does every year, and this phase was anticipated. So far it has not spread as quickly as in other places, who unfortunately did not respond well.

True, maybe the 'containment phase' lingo was all bollix - and what the HSE etc were really at was trying to control the inevitable spread of the virus?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

Adiboo wrote: »

Chemist by me is doing a one in one out system. Pharmacist coming out giving people tickets, big queue of people outside.

Yes because we need pharmacists and their staff alive and well.

Humberto Salazar · 15-03-2020 04:07PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But the two are not mutually exclusive.

How are things going to be if you are alive but you have no money left for food because all the employers had to shut down and could not employ or pay anyone.

Or if this no food available because all the suppliers/producers were out of business and could not supply/produce anything.

People think it's a binary choice, it's not, businesses have to keep going to keep people alive, the economy has to continue to function.

If there are mass layoffs, there will be civil unrest very quickly. Where is the money to live going to come from for 500,000 people perhaps or more? RP9 forms will not cut it for mass layoffs at one time. Yes there is a national emergency but people need clear leadership and a plan, a plan at least to factor in some of the variables at play.

Syncpolice · 15-03-2020 04:08PM

Some good news

U2 announce plans to continue touring

However have confirmed they will not be releasing any more new material

SharpshooterTom · 15-03-2020 04:08PM

The Tories in the UK prioritise the economy over mortality rates.

Necro · 15-03-2020 04:08PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

We can issue a statement asking people not to travel into and out of both jurisdictions and ask people in the border regions in particular to self isolate and stay indoors. Shut down all non essential services in those areas to discourage movement of people. Open up a dialogue with the Northern Ireland politicians and ask them to ignore the stupid thick moron Johnson and adapt a more sensible approach. (Ask them nicely obviously)

I absolutely appreciate you are posting in good faith..

BUT

The Taoiseach already issued an announcement advising against gatherings of over 100 people indoors and 500 outdoors.

And people didn't listen and packed the pubs Friday and Saturday.

If the border is shut it will take a huge amount of manpower, more than we have. And will divert a lot of bodies who could better be used helping out in hospitals, as drivers and assisting communities.

It's just not workable.

take everything · 15-03-2020 04:09PM

Interesting to read that gardai can arrest anyone with the virus wilfully at large.

IAMAMORON · 15-03-2020 04:09PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Why are the Germans closing their borders so? Let's be serious? This is serious.

In Northern Ireland they are not imposing the same restrictions that we are down here, so shut the border and restrict movement of people from that jurisdiction to this one as much as possible.

Germany has borders with

Denmark
The Netherlands
Belgium
France
Luxembourg
Austria
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Poland.

Germany is in central Europe, their country has a lot more exposure to this virus than this country ever will.

We have a ghost border on our own island and you want to close it over a political policy? Stop talking rubbish.

You sound like a total panic junckie, enjoying yourself?

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2020 04:09PM

Syncpolice wrote: »

Some good news

U2 announce plans to continue touring

However have confirmed they will not be releasing any more new material

And the good news???

spookwoman · 15-03-2020 04:10PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1239207144513318913?s=20
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1239203943449800704?s=20

revelman · 15-03-2020 04:10PM

lobbylad wrote: »

Rubbish, the virus is already in Germany, and a handful of additional cases that might come across from France are not going to make a difference (relatively).

Germany (like here) now has to control the rate of spread of the virus, closing the border won't help that in any way. And in fact, if they introduce limits on gatherings or bar/restaurant/etc closures, then the resources used to keep the borders closed would be better used in ensuring that restrictions on gatherings are adhered to.

There is perhaps an argument to ground flights, as one infected person could infect an entire plane load, but that's not the same as closing land borders.

The time for closing land borders to have an effect has long gone past us.

No country has unlimited resources, and those resources should be best used to limit the spread of the virus, IMO closing a land border between countries such as Germany and France will have little effect on the spread.

Not every policy decision has to be taken quite so literally. “Closing borders” has an important symbolic effect so that people will take even more seriously the message to stay at home and not make unnecessary journeys

niallo27 · 15-03-2020 04:10PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

This is a very disturbing tweet by Philip Boucher Hayes. It's a worrying reminder no one is immune here. A Dr on RTE radio this morning briefly discussed WHO stats until she was rudely cut off. One interesting point she made was that the median age of death is 57 years old. That means half of deaths occur above this age and half below.
That's worrying for everyone. If you're in your 20s and out in pubs, thats your parents you're very likely putting at risk, not just your grandparents, it's also you, albeit at less risk.

https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1238904532039589889

Well that is just plain out bull****.

Tootsie_1 · 15-03-2020 04:10PM

Brynn Delicious Cafeteria wrote: »

Yes because we need pharmacists and their staff alive and well.

This , Pharmacies are under huge pressure right now and all terrified I might add. Mine is doing a two in two out system they have to try protect themselves while still looking after the community. Be nice to them everyone they are doing their best.

patnor1011 · 15-03-2020 04:10PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Source?

Logic.

Gods Gift · 15-03-2020 04:10PM

ZX7R wrote: »

In order
1st cancel parades
2nd close the pubs
Now close the borders
This forum will end up with little to give out about

3rd would be cancel Dancing with the stars.
Then borders.

paddythere · 15-03-2020 04:11PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Todays Total New Cases 48,213 Total Deaths 1,796

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VnTtGtEGyzDr1sAdoFieLpUeUUP0mbzryebHGUbISj4/edit?usp=sharing

Staggering difference in cases/death ratio between Germany and Italy

is_that_so · 15-03-2020 04:11PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

True, maybe the 'containment phase' lingo was all bollix - and what the HSE etc were really at was trying to control the inevitable spread of the virus?

Briefings now constantly reference the annual flu' season so it must be largely based around the management of that with of course the latest WHO/ECDC protocols tacked on.

Syncpolice · 15-03-2020 04:11PM

Thrashssacre wrote: »

And the good news???

The last sentence

Strazdas · 15-03-2020 04:11PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Someone online posted this.

Britain's approach has three core elements: enact social distancing measures much more slowly than other countries; shield at-risk groups like the elderly and sick from contact with the general population; and then let COVID-19 slowly sweep through everybody else.

Frankly this is culling of the old in the UK as you can't protect the old when you have no government measures of isolation. Letting the virus spread to everyone is a nutty strategy. We need to think about closing our border to the UK soon probably next few days. We can't have people coming here from the UK, when they like.

Totally in defiance of WHO advice. The organisation is saying attack the virus from every possible angle (as Ireland is doing). No piecemeal efforts or halfway house.

Clarence Boddiker · 15-03-2020 04:11PM

alastair wrote: »

There’s no greater risk from someone crossing a border, than there is from travelling any other equivalent distance. You planning on cutting Cork off from Limerick too?

A few weeks ago several thousand people flew into Dublin from European epicentre of the virus. Do you think this posed a risk? It did and probably massively contributed to the spread. If flights from Italy were halted it may have slowed the spread.
It really seems like some people have an ideological commitment to open borders and this supercedes health, safety, logic and pragmatism.

Necro · 15-03-2020 04:11PM

revelman wrote: »

Not every policy decision has to be taken quite so literally. “Closing borders” has an important symbolic effect so that people will take even more seriously the message to stay at home and not make unnecessary journeys

lfen · 15-03-2020 04:12PM

All pubs in Temple Bar closing

https://www.thejournal.ie/pub-closure-temple-bar-5047010-Mar2020/

Multipass · 15-03-2020 04:12PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1239207144513318913?s=20
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1239203943449800704?s=20

Hmm, are people going to want to go near community testing sites?

Blueshoe · 15-03-2020 04:12PM

Necro wrote: »

That woman. Talk about a one hit wonder. One trick pony

omerin · 15-03-2020 04:13PM

To alleviate boredom and to keep people indoors, surely the TV providers and the online subscriptions could provide a full free service for an indefinite period. In addition the broadband providers should top up the speeds to all their subscribers. Most if not all cinemas have closed and film companies have delayed the release of new films, maybe they too could sell those films at a reduced cost worldwide to terrestrial TV to reduce the hit they are taking on it now …. saving millions on their marketing

Axfrderr · 15-03-2020 04:13PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Frankly this is culling of the old in the UK as you can't protect the old when you have no government measures of isolation. Letting the virus spread to everyone is a nutty strategy. We need to think about closing our border to the UK soon probably next few days. We can't have people coming here from the UK, when they like.

Quote:
"I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19

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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP