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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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  • #5642
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Lumen wrote: »
    Nonetheless, so far we are sustaining higher case rates than the UK, per capita (we're at 26/million, they're at 17). We were level for a while, but the gap is widening, which is a concern.

    It remains to be seen over the next few days whether they pull "ahead".


    Lots of people are saying the per capita figures are useless unless we know the rates of those tested. This makes sense to me.


  • #5643
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Lots of people are saying the per capita figures are useless unless we know the rates of those tested. This makes sense to me.

    It's meaningless


  • #5644
    greenfield21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The UK response is looking more and more sensible as the days pass.

    Isolate the over 70-'s and get the herd immunisation up in the general population with the minimum negative effect on the economy.

    We may well be looking at their politicians and health expects with envy in 6-12 months time.

    +1000, as will Germany and the US likely follow their path. Three huge players in the global economy. These countries didn't get where they are today due to bad decisions. They are one step ahead as always. Time will tell...


  • #5645
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Herd immunisation isn't a thing without vaccination.
    There is an assumption that it will give some without the vaccine but the level it might be is unknown.


  • #5646
    at1withmyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Drumpot wrote: »
    No they shouldn’t, you are wrong. Don’t remember seeing you around in these threads when we were all keeping a watchful eye on this as far back as January and wanted our government to start communicating with its people on it.

    Some mistakes have been made but I’m not sure many countries can say they have dealt with this outbreak in a stellar fashion. Since last week our authories and the people running things have been excellent.

    I've been following these threads since the start and that has nothing to do with how badly the government have handled this. I self isolated myself after the HSE told me I was fine to go into the general public so I have little regard for their advice.

    I've also not said any countries can cover themselves in glory but that does not excuse our government.

    They were to slow to react and didn't do enough. I hope they come good but will not applaud them for the way they have let this escalate.


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  • #5647
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Field east wrote: »
    Given that there will be as near to 100% negative corrrolation as does not matter between bed oppucancy re hotels/hostels and the presence of the virus, it gives the hotel owners a unique opportunity to make their premises available to the HSE - on a reasonable commercial basis.
    Also , those with ‘excess assets’ eg Desmond, Mc Manus, Magnier, Ronan , Naughton and a number of others could step up to the plate and help out in some way.

    I hope we all remember those pubs that stayed open last night, packed to the rafters.
    When this blows over and the true extent is known, I hope we never set foot in them again


    On flip side, we need to support all those who took the hard choices early. They may have closed, but we need to support if they can reopen in some form.

    Would be a great opportunity for big businesses to be as altruistic as possible.
    We will not forgot those companies that go above and beyond just making profit.


  • #5648
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Lots of people are saying the per capita figures are useless unless we know the rates of those tested. This makes sense to me.
    I think people are reading it as a league table. Ours may be clearer once they start issuing the new breakdown reports.


  • #5649
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Lots of people are saying the per capita figures are useless unless we know the rates of those tested. This makes sense to me.

    Fair enough, but they have 20 serious cases and we have 6, and they have 14 times the population.

    edit: they're at 21 deaths and we're at 2. The problem with deaths is that it's a lagging indicator by several weeks. It's like a variation of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, you can't have accuracy and timeliness.


  • #5650
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Lumen wrote: »
    Nonetheless, so far we are sustaining higher case rates than the UK, per capita (we're at 26/million, they're at 17). We were level for a while, but the gap is widening, which is a concern.

    It remains to be seen over the next few days whether they pull "ahead".

    Im more concerned about the number of tests . Countries that test alot per capita early dealing with this much more effectively


  • #5651
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The UK response is looking more and more sensible as the days pass.

    Isolate the over 70-'s and get the herd immunisation up in the general population with the minimum negative effect on the economy.

    We may well be looking at their politicians and health expects with envy in 6-12 months time.

    If anyone thinks that “within weeks” is good enough they should have a good look at the Italian numbers in terms of how quickly it has been spreading and overwhelming they health system. With their strategy I give the U.K. 2 weeks *at most* before people start dying in hospitals due to lack of available care.


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  • #5652
    bottlebrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    Why on earth are radio stations still running ads for events that are obviously not going to go ahead. Just heard an ad for an event in my local library, which has been closed since friday.


  • #5653
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Harris isn't too happy over on twitter with the folks who were having a sing song in Temple Bar, he has a point though it's kinda reckless when the disease is spreading this fast over the last few days.


  • #5654
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Will lockdown mean factories close, people off work


  • #5655
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bottlebrush wrote: »
    Why on earth are radio stations still running ads for events that are obviously not going to go ahead. Just heard an ad for an event in my local library, which has been closed since friday.
    Because they've paid for it and the station is obliged to run them.


  • #5656
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Achasanai wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you're being ironic or not with that last sentence. Is your problem with people predicting a lockdown this week only or at some point (as you're doing yourself).

    The clip I seen was of a guy off camera giving a doomsday scenario.
    It started off with "I know a guy who knows a guy who was in a meeting ..."

    We all know this stuff is made up by people usually , social media is full of idiots who do nothing but add to the mess, because some folk believe 100% of everything they see on Facebook.

    I wasn't trying to be ironic. I am saying a big shutdown is coming because it has to happen, not because I seen it on FB or am trying to be right. We have to do what Italy is doing, its only a matter of when rather than if now.

    Even when we are shutdown, the numbers of affected will rocket, and we might not be able to cope with it.


  • #5657
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bottlebrush wrote: »
    Why on earth are radio stations still running ads for events that are obviously not going to go ahead. Just heard an ad for an event in my local library, which has been closed since friday.

    Ad spots paid for. Whoever is in charge of it in the library not being quick enough to renegotiate / change the message.


  • #5658
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    There a many different types of lockdown ranging from China to here. What we are missing is why the lockdown is implemented in the first place? It's to break the chain of transmission. 85% of transmission occurred in families in China so they isolate people from their family members. This is completely shocking but necessary and will probably end up being implemented in Italy if numbers don't start dropping. Again 80% of cases are mild but this can be anything from a cold to pneumonia. Nothing mild about pneumonia.

    https://twitter.com/handyman1543/status/1239113440289001472?s=20


  • #5659
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    There is no colour coding.
    It was just used as a click bate by a so called journalist.


  • #5660
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    +1000, as will most likely Germany and the US follow their path. Three huge players in the global economy. These countries didn't get where they are today due to bad decisions.

    Not really like for like comparison though is it? Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and is effectively the leader of Europe and one of The richest countries in the world. We aren’t, we can only do what we can within our budget and our own healthcare system.

    Trump was denying this was a problem up until a few days ago and many states are declaring state of emergency’s because they knew it was bad. USA hasn’t been testing people enough, in fact I believe their test per capita is one of the lowest in the world.

    In terms of the Uk, they are going it alone and doing what everybody else isnt. It’s a massive gamble with old and vulnerable people’s lives as it’s only a hypothetical strategy.


  • #5661
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    is_that_so wrote: »
    On Twitter? Is this like the Army thing from last week? It doesn't sound like it is coming as they've made no reference to it. The school measure was expected but the timing was maybe not for some people.

    apparently it is coming. Missus's niece 's husband is a cop and he's been saying it. All holidays banned for next 3 months for the guardai as well.


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  • #5662
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There is an assumption that it will give some without the vaccine but the level it might be is unknown.

    It's a massive gamble with people's lives based on very little available information. Yet we have those on here already speaking of envy.

    Beggars belief..


  • #5663
    cmac2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    rogieop wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks we wont go into full lockdown at some stage soon has their head in the sand.

    Trips to shop/supermarket and pharmacies will be all that is allowed.

    So lockdown means you're not allowed out even for a quick walk/run? Depending on the length of the lockdown this is going to have a serious effect on peoples mental health.


  • #5664
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    "Action to isolate the UK's over-70s for an extended period to shield them from coronavirus is planned in the coming weeks, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed."


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51895873


    Weeks? WEEKS?!?! It feels like they haven't watched the news at all in the last few days.


  • #5665
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The UK seem to be losing the plot! The over 70s to isolate for 4 months while the rest of them carry on as normal. Johnson is really starting to show his true colours now. A selfish individual motivated by greed. Keep the oldies at home as that won't bother the economy. An ignorant human being that makes Trump look like a saint. Of course Trump is over 70 too so he won't be fond of those measures lol


  • #5666
    JMNolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    cmac2009 wrote: »
    So lockdown means you're not allowed out even for a quick walk/run? Depending on the length of the lockdown this is going to have a serious effect on peoples mental health.

    In Italy this is the case, you cannot go out for a walk.


  • #5667
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    lawred2 wrote: »
    It's a massive gamble with people's lives based on very little available information. Yet we have those on here already speaking of envy.

    Beggars belief..

    BJ is a gambler though, that's his style


  • #5668
    boetstark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    I hope we all remember those pubs that stayed open last night, packed to the rafters.
    When this blows over and the true extent is known, I hope we never set foot in them again


    On flip side, we need to support all those who took the hard choices early. They may have closed, but we need to support if they can reopen I some form.

    Would be a great opportunity for big businesses to be as altruistic as possible.
    We will not forgot those companies that go above and beyond just making profit.

    100% agree, we need to close pubs. But it needs to go further
    Just saw too elderly ladies in local centra coughing into their hands and strolling around touching unwrapped breads fruit etc
    Kids playing in the street together yesterday
    Coffee shops full of people yesterday.
    Please whoever is in charge announce a total lock down and ENFORCE it before it's too late.
    Unfortunately we have a lot of immature idiots in the country that cannot be trusted to take this seriously.
    Stay safe everybody


  • #5669
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The UK response is looking more and more sensible as the days pass.

    Isolate the over 70-'s and get the herd immunisation up in the general population with the minimum negative effect on the economy.

    We may well be looking at their politicians and health expects with envy in 6-12 months time.

    But isn't their herd immunity approach not scientifically sound. Many experts are heavily critical of it


  • #5670
    Axfrderr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Axfrderr


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The UK response is looking more and more sensible as the days pass.
    Pretty daft thing to say seeing as we won't know the result for quite a while.


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  • #5671
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Blazer wrote: »
    apparently it is coming. Missus's niece 's husband is a cop and he's been saying it. All holidays banned for next 3 months for the guardai as well.
    I have no doubt it is in the range of measures but that just sounds like part of the planning. So far the appeal is to personal responsibility.


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