Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Charles Babbage · 10-03-2020 12:22PM

quokula wrote: »

Yep as seen in Asia, every country that's reached an advanced stage has seen it peak, and start to reduce, long before it gets close to infecting 0.1% of the population. The reports that it's going to infect 60%+ are wildly out of line with the data to date. It's only exponential until it's not.
Italy will have peaked and started dropping soon, just like every other hard hit country so far.

It is great if there is such a drop, but this only occurs after those countries introduce measures. Codogno has already been locked down for two weeks.

It is also hopeful that nobody has died in Singapore and growth in numbers there is modest, suggesting that if you work at it then you can keep things within limits, without closing the country.

silver2020 · 10-03-2020 12:23PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

Still, even with only a few thousand cases in Ireland we'd probably have some harrowing cases from our overstretched hospitals. But I'm feeling quietly more confident today, strangely enough, now that our government and the Italian government and others seem to be making moves.

There won't be a "few thousand cases" here. Thankfully we have more warning and taking it a lot more seriously than most countries.

Italy only took it very seriously in the past 2 weeks. They have 60+ million people & 9,000 cases and a very aging population.

Even taking that level, we'd be looking at circa 600-700 cases, not thousands.

People really need to get a grip and realise that while its serious, once precautions are taken, it will not come anywhere near the doomsday prediction of the scaremongering media and the utter fools on social media.

One plus though is the fucwits like that SF moronic fool in clare might actually realise that vaccines are good for your health

kilns · 10-03-2020 12:23PM

164 new cases in Switzerland in the last 24 hours which mean 476 cases in total now

10-03-2020 12:24PM

It has peaked and is in decline in China & S. Korea. It will follow the same path in Italy too.
Italy has a population of 60 million, death rate creeping up to 500, lets say it reaches 2000. China population 1.4 billion, lets say they peak at 10,000 deaths (at the moment only reporting 3,136).
So Ireland likely to suffer 20 - 30 virus related deaths altogether?

It's bad. Very bad.

But not exactly the plague.

caveat emptor · 10-03-2020 12:24PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

British Airways have cancelled all flights to and from Italy.

Ryanair still flying to and from all parts of Italy. With no isolation of people coming off the planes.

Just shows lower classes will be affected most. :eek:

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 10-03-2020 12:25PM

iguana wrote: »

I think that in terms of how terrifying it is for ordinary people a few factors come into it. I'm pretty prepared for the a lockdown. I have supplies, I have plans for activities with my 7 year old, I'm mentally as prepared as possible. I'm watching this happen in Italy now, so it's easier to make the mental leap that this might/will happen to us. I'm somewhat stressed every time I go out or send my son to school. Every single little thing I do has become a big decision now, I'm making constant risk assessments about where I go and where my son goes. Being forced to stay home will actually alleviate all that stress. For people who are worried now having decisions taken out of their hands will be a form of relief.

For people who have ignored this or thought the situation was silly, being forced onto lockdown will have shocked them to their core. If they aren't prepared to be stuck at home they will be feeling sudden panic and regret for not paying attention when they had a chance. They won't be practically or mentally prepared. They will have gone from cheerily going about their lives or thinking their own drama was more important to a sudden emersion in the seriousness which will feel more terrifying because of the sudden shock of it and the fact that it could be too late to take practical measures to make the lockdown more bearable.

I sent quite a stark message to my group chat of lad friends this morning and I scared the sh!t out of a few of them. I felt bad that it freaked them out but I just needed them to take it a bit more seriously. It's getting very serious elsewhere and we now have a picture of the failures of containment and what devestation that can bring.

My family are still somewhat in denial and telling me to stop thinking about it as much. I'm trying to explain that it will be the primary issue that they have to think about from here on out.

My sister still thinks it's just like the flu and there'll be a vaccine in a few months.

Talisman wrote: »

Apologies if this was previously posted, but there's an article explaining that the reason why Germany is coping relatively well with the outbreak there is because of their testing strategy.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/09/world/europe/ap-eu-virus-outbreak-germany.html

I'd love to read it, it's behind a paywall. Could you copy paste please?

Funsterdelux · 10-03-2020 12:25PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You won’t be laughing when you realise that tap water has the same level of filtration as bottled water, sometimes better.

Especially that stuff up in Monaghan, Celtic Spring was it?

kilns · 10-03-2020 12:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It has peaked and is in decline in China & S. Korea. It will follow the same path in Italy too.
Italy has a population of 60 million, death rate creeping up to 500, lets say it reaches 2000. China population 1.4 billion, lets say they peak at 10,000 deaths (at the moment only reporting 3,136).
So Ireland likely to suffer 20 - 30 virus related deaths altogether?

It's bad. Very bad.

But not exactly the plague.

China and Korea dealt with the outbreak very well other counties not so much yet.

tobefrank321 · 10-03-2020 12:26PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

And this surprises you? This needs to be stopped immediately.

I'd urge anyone concerned to use this form.

https://contactform.ryanair.com/

And spread the contact details around. The more people that contact them, the more they will get the message. Its hard enough dealing with Coronavirus without Ryanair flying in potentially more and more infected people by the day. We had 12 cases coming from Italy when the levels were low in Italy. What will it be now.

Fia11 · 10-03-2020 12:26PM

Hearing several rumours of schools and churches in this country closing from tomorrow.

Nijmegen · 10-03-2020 12:26PM

silver2020 wrote: »

There won't be a "few thousand cases" here. Thankfully we have more warning and taking it a lot more seriously than most countries.

Italy only took it very seriously in the past 2 weeks. They have 60+ million people & 9,000 cases and a very aging population.

Even taking that level, we'd be looking at circa 600-700 cases, not thousands.

People really need to get a grip and realise that while its serious, once precautions are taken, it will not come anywhere near the doomsday prediction of the scaremongering media and the utter fools on social media.

One plus though is the fucwits like that SF moronic fool in clare might actually realise that vaccines are good for your health

I hope you're right and the current rate of spread is positive.

I think though that Covid-20 (or whatever) might ironically have a better chance if we see very few cases, as people won't put 2+2 together on the idea that we had big windows and saw this coming and took steps to prevent it taking off. Exponential growth is actually quite sensitive to changes in behavior, so 1.9 million versus 190 cases is the kind of things we and others are doing. Instead we'll have fools saying "Sure they were way off on the last one when they cancelled paddy's day and told us all to wash our hands, what was that all about..."

Here's hoping now.

dougm1970 · 10-03-2020 12:26PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

As an Italian, I can tell you that all employees can sign an autocertification where they say that they are travelling from home to work and back.
All that are eligible for smart working/home working can ask their employers for it. Where I work most of colleagues are home as from today. There are those who can't do their job from home, like me.

It's ridicolous that it is possible to move for going to work, but can't move for anything else, as if the virus could tell the difference.

All gyms, schools, cinemas, theatres are closed.
Hotels are going to close because they got nearly 100% of booking cancellations for nearly the whole year.
Bar and restaurants should stay closed, not really sure about this.

Buses and trains can travel, and this is ridicolous as well.

All transfers outside one's town or city have to be motivated with an absolutely nececessary reason.

Otherwise the advice is to stay home.
Because we're Italians, these rules will be hardly observed, I fear... Despite the threat of 3 months jail for those who break the rules.

Our government has been shy, they are applying the rules they should have applied two or three weeks ago, when they thought that locking down 12 towns would have been enough.

That's a quick overview of our situation here.

thanks for detailed reply.

how about things like mail deliveries ?

banie01 · 10-03-2020 12:27PM

Miike wrote: »

Do they have any business continuity strategy in place? :pac:

My most recent employer's business continuity strategy revolved around a second site that could ramp up to handle operations within 24hrs.

the vast majority of continuity planning is based on natural disaster or primary site failure.
The vast majority of work could be shifted to WFH, but some onerous regulatory requirements and that old chestnut of GDPR mean that sharing the data over VPN is quite a "regulatory" headache(It's not, it is a capital expense and a continuing expenditure that the SMT have avoided for years by long fingering it).

From talking to the DPO there today, a significant investment is being made to ensure a degree of WFH can be provided to at least some of the frontline staff there.

4068ac1elhodqr · 10-03-2020 12:27PM

Another large office building closed due to one single confirmed case.
1,000 jobs on hold at the Halifax centre in Belfast.

Coupled with a bank there following the Italian style suspension of bank fees, perhaps even mortgage payments,
reckon we're not far from a UBI rollout.

Actually ideal condition are present for a 3mth/6mth UBI trial, it will also help the next fiscal boom surge, would expect that, for August.

Fr_Dougal · 10-03-2020 12:27PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Especially that stuff up in Monaghan, Celtic Spring was it?

Think it might have been, and it happened on more than one occasion.

Miike · 10-03-2020 12:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wow is right.

masks don't work.
closed borders don't work.

https://twitter.com/_SJPeace_/status/1237311577122054144?s=20

You took 2 minutes of my lunch break off me for that. I'll send you the bill.

facehugger99 · 10-03-2020 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It has peaked and is in decline in China & S. Korea. It will follow the same path in Italy too.
Italy has a population of 60 million, death rate creeping up to 500, lets say it reaches 2000. China population 1.4 billion, lets say they peak at 10,000 deaths (at the moment only reporting 3,136).
So Ireland likely to suffer 20 - 30 virus related deaths altogether?

It's bad. Very bad.

But not exactly the plague.

Italy have around 3,300 road fatalities every year.

I await with interest the 'Chicken Lickens' to start demanding that everyone stop driving.

So much online needless hysteria around this issue.

Sensible precautions are all that's required.

EmmetSpiceland · 10-03-2020 12:28PM

Where are we with the mother-in-law travelling over from Italy?

Lord Trollington · 10-03-2020 12:28PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Heard? Where? Source?

A worker at the hospital.

silverharp · 10-03-2020 12:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It has peaked and is in decline in China & S. Korea. It will follow the same path in Italy too.
Italy has a population of 60 million, death rate creeping up to 500, lets say it reaches 2000. China population 1.4 billion, lets say they peak at 10,000 deaths (at the moment only reporting 3,136).
So Ireland likely to suffer 20 - 30 virus related deaths altogether?

It's bad. Very bad.

But not exactly the plague.

what % of Chinese people have been exposed to the virus? If “60%” of people are meant to catch it in some form then it hasn’t burned through China yet

Funsterdelux · 10-03-2020 12:29PM

Fia11 wrote: »

Hearing several rumours of schools and churches in this country closing from tomorrow.

Not churches!

gabeeg · 10-03-2020 12:29PM

Ariah Happy Rooster wrote: »

Another large office building closed due to one single confirmed case.
1,000 jobs on hold at the Halifax centre in Belfast.

Coupled with a bank there following the Italian style suspension of bank fees, perhaps even mortgage payments,
reckon we're not far from a UBI rollout.

Actually ideal condition are present for a 3mth/6mth UBI trial, it will also help the next fiscal boom surge, would expect that, for August.

That's an interesting idea. Have you read it somewhere, or is from your own noggin?

Fia11 · 10-03-2020 12:30PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Not churches!

We'll get the mass on the telly. Don't be worrying.

Gods Gift · 10-03-2020 12:30PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Not churches!

Priests are to wfh.

owlbethere · 10-03-2020 12:30PM

Graces7 tipped into this at the weekend. For toilet paper, use cloths, soak in buckets and wash. To save toilet paper, the cloths can be used for wiping after pees. The toilet paper can be used for No.2s

tillyfilly · 10-03-2020 12:30PM

China are through the worst according to Xi, how many weeks behind are Europe and the USA?

AlmightyCushion · 10-03-2020 12:31PM

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

My sister still thinks it's just like the flu and there'll be a vaccine in a few months.?

Find the Last week tonight with John Oliver episode from Monday online somewhere and show her it. It shows a clip of Trump in a meeting where he says there will be a vaccine in a few months. One of his advisers immediately corrects him and says that at best, if the vaccine is discovered now and is viable and safe, it would still be 12 - 18 months before it would be available.

ITman88 · 10-03-2020 12:31PM

iguana wrote: »

I think that in terms of how terrifying it is for ordinary people a few factors come into it. I'm pretty prepared for the a lockdown. I have supplies, I have plans for activities with my 7 year old, I'm mentally as prepared as possible. I'm watching this happen in Italy now, so it's easier to make the mental leap that this might/will happen to us. I'm somewhat stressed every time I go out or send my son to school. Every single little thing I do has become a big decision now, I'm making constant risk assessments about where I go and where my son goes. Being forced to stay home will actually alleviate all that stress. For people who are worried now having decisions taken out of their hands will be a form of relief.

For people who have ignored this or thought the situation was silly, being forced onto lockdown will have shocked them to their core. If they aren't prepared to be stuck at home they will be feeling sudden panic and regret for not paying attention when they had a chance. They won't be practically or mentally prepared. They will have gone from cheerily going about their lives or thinking their own drama was more important to a sudden emersion in the seriousness which will feel more terrifying because of the sudden shock of it and the fact that it could be too late to take practical measures to make the lockdown more bearable.

Thing is people who stress and panic are not adaptable.
People who are relaxed are much more adaptable and can think under circumstances where others meltdown in spite of planning, and the non panicked will be fine under lockdown.

People on this thread who are trying to remain relaxed and calm the situation are being admonished and ridiculed. No one is saying this situation is not serious and we all need to do what is required to prevent the spread of the virus.
Don’t assume that a lack of panic and hysteria means people are thinking their own drama is more important.

Funsterdelux · 10-03-2020 12:31PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Think it might have been, and it happened on more than one occasion.

Gods Gift · 10-03-2020 12:32PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Graces7 tipped into this at the weekend. For toilet paper, use cloths, soak in buckets and wash. To save toilet paper, the cloths can be used for wiping after pees. The toilet paper can be used for No.2s

We’re getting a demonstration on the late late Friday nite.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP