Token women commentators in men’rt

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2020 02:08PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

She does know her stuff... I never said she knows it any better than many male presenters or pundits though.

But yes, she probably is the most impressive woman in that capacity in the sport in terms of her depth of knowledge. (for me anyway)

She also happens to be easy on the eye too... and even more so when she was younger. So I would have my doubts, that she was hired solely for her knowledge! (Although who knows? I could be wrong!)

Most women in the sport - the vast majority - are tokens. Most men know this, many women even know this... most people are not willing to admit it though!

But why should there be any obligation to hire women in men's professional sport? It's not the same as other areas of society... it is a gender-specific work place... there is nothing sexist about only hiring men in a men only sport!

They are not being hired for mens sport. they are being hired for TV. you seem unable to distinguish between the two.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 09-03-2020 02:10PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They are not being hired for mens sport. they are being hired for TV. you seem unable to distinguish between the two.

lol

:rolleyes:

razorblunt · 09-03-2020 02:10PM

Punditry itself is gone to the dogs anyway and that's across the board.
We've had Giles and Dunphy admitting they've not watched European football, Jamie 'triffic' Redknapp, Mark Lawrenson and Danny Murphy who look like they hate their jobs and so on.

If we're applying the criteria that "they should have played the game" then the professional sports world moves so quickly nowadays that players who retired 5/10/15 years ago become out of touch too.

Personally, I think there's starting to be more value in fan driven analysis rather than these professional "talking heads" spitting out cliché after cliché.

09-03-2020 02:11PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can an amateur play the game and enjoy, of course...will an amateur have the required level of football intelligence to be a capable pundit....that is very very unlikely.

Simply nonsense.

Mourinho, Klopp, Benitez, Wenger some of the greatest managers of all time hardly kicked a ball between them at the professional level much less the top level. Klopp was the best of the bunch and he even admits he was bog-standard.

You can have a great understanding of a game/sport without being particularly good at it yourself. Your mind and your body are just on different wavelengths. It's why top players don't always make top coaches. It's one thing doing something yourself but it's a whole other world trying to get someone else to do it.

Plenty of examples in all sports where ordinary players become top level coaches.

Raconteuse · 09-03-2020 02:11PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

She does know her stuff... I never said she knows it any better than many male presenters or pundits though.

But yes, she probably is the most impressive woman in that capacity in the sport in terms of her depth of knowledge. (for me anyway)

She also happens to be easy on the eye too... and even more so when she was younger. So I would have my doubts, that she was hired solely for her knowledge! (Although who knows? I could be wrong!)

Most women in the sport - the vast majority - are tokens. Most men know this, many women even know this... most people are not willing to admit it though!

But why should there be any obligation to hire women in men's professional sport? It's not the same as other areas of society... it is a gender-specific work place... there is nothing sexist about only hiring men in a men only sport!

Well I said in the same post which you quoted, that I don't think people should be hired on the basis of their sex, but they should be hired on their ability, so if a woman is hired who is good at the job, what's the problem?

sbsquarepants · 09-03-2020 02:14PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

But why should there be any obligation to hire women in men's professional sport? It's not the same as other areas of society... it is a gender-specific work place... there is nothing sexist about only hiring men in a men only sport!

There's no obligation - it's just sensible for the TV station.

As has been pointed out they are not employed as footballers, they are employed as pundits / commentators / presenters etc. It's an entirely different discipline.

razorblunt · 09-03-2020 02:16PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

In the 90s there were numerous female - not pundits but presenters and reporters on Sky Sports football programmes. E.g. Gabby Logan, Gabby Yorath, Kirsty Gallacher... and nobody gave a sh1t.

I get the feeling that this is just part of the "Waaaah, women have it better" narrative everywhere these past few years.

Gabby Logan and Gabby Yorath are the same person.

sbsquarepants · 09-03-2020 02:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Plenty of examples in all sports where ordinary players become top level coaches.

And vice versa....Gary Neville anyone:D

Dr. Bre · 09-03-2020 02:17PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Gabby Logan and Gabby Yorath are the same person.

Haha !

Deebles McBeebles · 09-03-2020 02:22PM

Wheres the transgender pundits? Eh?

Jamie Redknapp would make a fine woman, lets get a petition going.

Raconteuse · 09-03-2020 02:22PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Gabby Logan and Gabby Yorath are the same person.

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Haha !

Yes, already covered thanks.

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

LOL

Same person

Raconteuse wrote: »

D'oh!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 09-03-2020 02:23PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Well I said in the same post which you quoted, that I don't think people should be hired in the basis of their sex, but they should be hired on their ability, so if a woman is hired who is good at the job, what's the problem?

The problem is there shouldn't be any obligation to hire women, in a sport that is only for men. But the PC culture is putting pressure on people, to give equal opportunities to women in a sector of society that is a gender-specific workplace!

Look, I'm not offended when I see a woman talking about men's football... and occasionally you do get someone like Daglish, who is worth her place based on her knowledge! But does she deserve to be there over a man? Not in this industry she doesn't...

Of course people will think I'm sexist for saying that... but I'm not. It's just people's pre-set mentality from how we operate in practically every other area of society!

And the token women being hired, who are clearly just eye-candy in most cases... that's irritating if you are a genuine fan of the sport. (I say that as someone who is very much a fan of women btw;))

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2020 02:24PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yes, already covered thanks.

To be fair she is worth mentioning twice.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 09-03-2020 02:33PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

There's no obligation - it's just sensible for the TV station.

As has been pointed out they are not employed as footballers, they are employed as pundits / commentators / presenters etc. It's an entirely different discipline.

Presenters yes.

Pundits and commentators are not entirely different.

Women are being hired to fill a quota... Alex Scott does not have exceptional analysis on the sport. Just because some male pundits also do not have exceptional insight, this still doesn't validate hiring women just to pander to gender politics!

An average male pundit, has more right to a place on a studio panel than an average female pundit... because it is their sport. But they are denied that opportunity, because of gender quota politics BS!

razorblunt · 09-03-2020 02:42PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Presenters yes.

Pundits and commentators are not entirely different.

Women are being hired to fill a quota... Alex Scott does not have exceptional analysis on the sport. Just because some male pundits also do not have exceptional insight, this still doesn't validate hiring women just to pander to gender politics!

An average male pundit, has more right to a place on a studio panel than an average female pundit... because it is their sport. But they are denied that opportunity, because of gender quota politics BS!

Alexa Scott is ok, she's better on BBC than on Sky, I found. She was brilliant during the World Cup. Sky tend to dim all pundits anyway.
Roy Keane was shouting about Pickford "he's not a good goalkeeper" which is brilliant for their clickbait twitter updates but how about you explain it, Roy.

For what it's worth he's right.

sbsquarepants · 09-03-2020 02:42PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Presenters yes.

Pundits and commentators are not entirely different.

Women are being hired to fill a quota... Alex Scott does not have exceptional analysis on the sport. Just because some male pundits also do not have exceptional insight, this still doesn't validate hiring women just to pander to gender politics!

An average male pundit, has more right to a place on a studio panel than an average female pundit... because it is their sport. But they are denied that opportunity, because of gender quota politics BS!

She's not bad. I've seen many far worse blokes waffling away over the years.
Plus she's drop dead gorgeous which lets face it, never hurts when you are in front of a camera for a living.

An average male pundit has absolutely no more right than an average female pundit. Why would they?

It is not their sport - football is football, women play football, women watch football - why in the name of blessed Ronaldinho could they not talk about football?

Punditry is thinking and talking, not playing!

I can practically guarantee you that Alex Scott makes a better pundit than Wayne Rooney.

Silentcorner · 09-03-2020 02:46PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and that is why the best players always make the best pundits, right?

Well at least they should have industry experience!!!!

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2020 02:47PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well at least they should have industry experience!!!!

yes because top level footballers have long experience of speaking intelligently.

Silentcorner · 09-03-2020 02:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Simply nonsense.

Mourinho, Klopp, Benitez, Wenger some of the greatest managers of all time hardly kicked a ball between them at the professional level much less the top level. Klopp was the best of the bunch and he even admits he was bog-standard.

You can have a great understanding of a game/sport without being particularly good at it yourself. Your mind and your body are just on different wavelengths. It's why top players don't always make top coaches. It's one thing doing something yourself but it's a whole other world trying to get someone else to do it.

Plenty of examples in all sports where ordinary players become top level coaches.

They were all involved in the game at the highest level....why has this conversation moved into management....and entirely different profession.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 09-03-2020 02:48PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

An average male pundit has absolutely no more right than an average female pundit. Why would they?

Why would they?

That's obvious, I've already said it... it's their sport... MEN'S professional football.

Of course a male pundit has more right to be there than a female pundit.

This isn't the business world... it's not a fortune 500 company! There is no obligation to hire any women. Why would there be?

Silentcorner · 09-03-2020 02:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yes because top level footballers have long experience of speaking intelligently.

Right cause they are all buffoons right...

You might have little respect for men who have achieved at the highest level of an extremely competitive global sport they have had to survive in since they were about 10 years old....but not everyone is like you!

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2020 02:55PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Right cause they are all buffoons right...

You might have little respect for men who have achieved at the highest level of an extremely competitive global sport they have had to survive in since they were about 10 years old....but not everyone is like you!

your comprehension is at the same level as your mates.

Silentcorner · 09-03-2020 02:56PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

your comprehension is at the same level as your mates.

Go away out of it you bluffer!!!

Pauliedragon · 09-03-2020 02:57PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why would they?

That's obvious, I've already said it... it's their sport... MEN'S professional football.

Of course a male pundit has more right to be there than a female pundit.

This isn't the business world... it's not a fortune 500 company! There is no obligation to hire any women. Why would there be?

Sport is business these days to be fair. I'm sure there is a theory having female pundit might attract more female viewers but the theory they're not qualified is a bit off to me. I'd listen to the likes of Dan Mcdonnell for example about soccer over most the retired professionals on sky for and he never played professional himself.

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2020 02:57PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Go away out of it you bluffer!!!

explain to me how playing football at the top level translates readily into being able to talk about it intelligently?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 09-03-2020 02:57PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Alexa Scott is ok, she's better on BBC than on Sky, I found. She was brilliant during the World Cup. Sky tend to dim all pundits anyway.
Roy Keane was shouting about Pickford "he's not a good goalkeeper" which is brilliant for their clickbait twitter updates but how about you explain it, Roy.

For what it's worth he's right.

I've found her to be very average tbh.

I'm glad you mentioned Roy Keane... grumpy fecker as he is, still an outstanding pundit on the game nonetheless!

It's obvious Pickford is error prone. The only reason Keane was being questioned on his opinion, is because he's England No.1 and they have to stick up for him on the TV! Most people know Keane was correct!

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 03:02PM

ohnonotgmail wrote:

yes because top level footballers have long experience of speaking intelligently.

Not every one is. Of course not. But there are more than enough that can. And they should be considered before someone put there because of their vagina and some equality quota.

sbsquarepants · 09-03-2020 03:04PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why would they?

That's obvious, I've already said it... it's their sport... MEN'S professional football.

Of course a male pundit has more right to be there than a female pundit.

This isn't the business world... it's not a fortune 500 company! There is no obligation to hire any women. Why would there be?

So obvious in fact that it's hard to see!

So what is it then exactly, does oestrogen render them incapable of looking at other people playing a game and comprehending what's going on? Do they just get distracted by their own tits? What?

You do understand there is a difference between actually doing a thing and talking about other people doing it....don't you?

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2020 03:05PM

Ironicname wrote: »

Not every one is. Of course not. But there are more than enough that can. And they should be considered before someone put there because of their vagina and some equality quota.

Here is a great idea. why dont the tv stations make their decision based on the merits of the individuals involved and not their genitalia? On that basis who is Alex scott keeping out of a job?

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 03:06PM

ohnonotgmail wrote:

explain to me how playing football at the top level translates readily into being able to talk about it intelligently?

Playing at the top level gives you a unique insight. Now, not every person who has played at the top level will be able to translate their experience into punditry, but a huge amount can.

Nobody has said that every person who has played in the premiership would automatically be a great pundit, you seem to be using that as your argument.

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