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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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    #1382
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    paleoperson wrote: »
    I notice Washington Post has altered their article headed: "Why you can't 'boost' your immune system to protect from coronavirus" to "No, you probably can't boost your immune system to protect from coronavirus", targeting such items as vitamin c and garlic.

    It's pretty ironic that people who write articles like this supposedly to banish ignorance and set people straight usually haven't the slightest ****ing clue about what will help the immune system. Taking vitamin c and garlic will absolutely improve the average person's immune system and put them in a better position to fight it if they get it. It's no bullet proof of course, but for an unknown pathogen there's a high likelihood it will be an incremental improvement. Vitamin C helped with SARS and many others. Whether it's worth the bother is another thing, but it certainly will help.

    Are the Chinese not presently doing trials of vit c iv and virus response to same... I would imagine there must be some validity if they are investigating...


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    #1383
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Poor_old_gill wrote: »
    What? People arent entitled to annual leave?

    No, not at the moment. Is that not obvious?


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    #1384
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,587 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Downlinz wrote: »
    It's hard to be optimistic when our government refuse to take even basic preventative measures. Cancel mass gatherings and ban flights from Italy and it would be some reassurance but in doing nothing it feels like an inevitable disaster waiting to happen.

    See previous posts about the effectiveness of banning flights. I think Slovakia is the only EU country to ban flights to Italy.


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    #1385
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    I think whoever released or allowed that figure of 1.9 million to be released is a scaremongering MotherFr AND should be jailed.they are projections and Are without merit and cannot at this time be proved.
    Shame on you whoever you are.

    Big estimates are good and wholesome - panic helps. Small numbers are wishful thinking or lies.


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    #1386
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    I think whoever released or allowed that figure of 1.9 million to be released is a scaremongering MotherFr AND should be jailed.they are projections and Are without merit and cannot at this time be proved.
    Shame on you whoever you are.

    the HSE did not say they were scaremongering, in fact they are not even the worse case scenario figures and the HSE agree they are not the worst case figures


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    #1387
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Mr.S wrote: »
    If it get's as bad as Italy - yes schools will probably close.

    If a school has students that test positive, then it will close.

    Basically it's all a lot of "wait and see" no one can say for definite how this will pan out.
    If things get as bad as Italy, then the time for schools to be closed will have already passed. Shouldn't take thousands of cases to close schools, it should be a preventative measure.


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    #1388
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Midfield Major wrote: »
    You can rest easy. This is a storm in a teacup. As you see in Eire only 2 cases today. It’s already peaked.

    Hello to yet another new troll or a rereg troll.


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    #1389
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Saw a woman in Aldi today openly coughing on the fruit with no attempt to cover her mouth or direct her head away from food. She really didn't look well at all and cough was very strong. Not saying it was covid-19 but it just hit home how screwed we all are with people like this out there spreading germs and who simply dont give a ****.


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    #1390
    laurah591
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    aloevera33 wrote: »
    2 new confirmed cases. One in south Nd one in east. Both community transmission

    So community spread in Cork has now occurred for 2 of our cases; and 1 in east - do we need to be wary of anyone displaying symptoms? and anyone know roughly where community spread in the east was identified .... like Dublin, Wicklow, kildare etc .... it's a big area


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    #1391
    Kermit.de.frog
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    8 new deaths announced today in France. Takes them to 19 confirmed deaths so far.


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    #1392
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    I think whoever released or allowed that figure of 1.9 million to be released is a scaremongering MotherFr AND should be jailed.they are projections and Are without merit and cannot at this time be proved.
    Shame on you whoever you are.

    Sorry, but what qualifies you to say they are without merit? Care to explain how you have come to that conclusion?


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    #1393
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'll be there no doubt. Whereas, it's an economic hit that the majority of Irish people will take. People actually working in the HSE will be dealing with life or death situations ((going by the viral load theory).

    And I have always thought of them like deities, nurses especially because they're criminally underpaid and undervalued in society imo. What I'm saying is everyone can only perform their own role in this. You all have my utmost respect

    Wish you the best of luck


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    #1394
    darjeeling
    Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Time, staff and money.
    The primary specimens (swabs) would have to be handled in a fume hood/ safety cabinet https://www.medical-supply.ie/2019/03/27/biological-safety-cabinets/ as an example.

    I don't know if they have enough equipment or medical scientists to keep up with demand. Maybe for now, but likely not for long. If staff are working at night and on weekends then there are less staff on during the day.

    Remember, the NVRL carry out tests on thousands samples from around the country as it is. Those services still have to be provided. I'm sure they were busy enough as it is without having to take on this task.

    Someone else mentioned lab facilities being available at NUIG but they would not be viable because they wouldn't be permitted to process patient specimens, the lab wouldn't be accredited. There is no accountability.

    What happens if an error is found. A reagent wasn't working or someone wasn't properly trained.
    All results would be called into question and you'd be told tough luck, this lab wasn't accredited to national standards.

    Just because a lab has the tools to provide a services, doesn't mean they're qualified to do so.

    Well I just hope that all options are considered when it comes to expanding testing to meet demand, and that includes the possibility of bringing in lab capacity from outside the NVRL under supervision.


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    #1395
    Yurt2
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    My point still stands? 8.7 on average is massive. Why are you disagreeing?


    I'll leave the superlatives on this up to you. That's not how I'd be describing it given the challenges the HSE will be facing in protecting the significant amount of elderly and vulnerable we have in this country over the coming weeks and months.


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    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    laurah591 wrote: »
    So community spread in Cork has now occurred for 2 of our cases; and 1 in east - do we need to be wary of anyone displaying symptoms? and anyone know roughly where community spread in the east was identified .... like Dublin, Wicklow, kildare etc .... it's a big area

    The community spread is why the low figures are so difficult to understand. Maybe its long incubation time but you'd expect more than that if its moving around freely among the population.


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    #1397
    dxhound2005
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    Nobody is stopping people getting Vitamin C from fruit or tablets. My understanding is the at the body excretes any excess of the vitamin.


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    #1398
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    JJJackal wrote: »
    Here is the thing Ciaran, when do you think the crisis will be over? You cant stop people taking AL etc for ever I suspect. I think this crisis will unfortunately highlight how understaffed and underresourced the HSE is. I suspect if you went to any hospital most staff would say that once people are on AL etc they are already understaffed. Overwork is likely to make front line staff more vulnerable to infection and also less careful with contact precautions if tired - a tricky situation

    I honestly don't know.

    It's a balance between the need to give staff leave and the need to preserve front line staff when large numbers have to self isolate or are unwell.

    The HSE seems to have decided not to give staff leave. I'm really uncortable about this but I understand why they are doing this on a certain level. I disagree on another level and I really hope they have additional information I'm not aware about to support their position.


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    #1399
    Pretzill
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    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    I think whoever released or allowed that figure of 1.9 million to be released is a scaremongering MotherFr AND should be jailed.they are projections and Are without merit and cannot at this time be proved.
    Shame on you whoever you are.

    I completely disagree - I think those projections could be our turning point to sorting this out! It's a rude wake-up call.


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    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cnocbui wrote: »
    No, not at the moment. Is that not obvious?

    How would you deal with this then? How would you deal with cancelling annual leave? Do you carry it over to the next financial year? Do you just pay staff instead (needing an increase in the income tax)?


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    #1401
    ACitizenErased
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    I'll leave the superlatives on this up to you. That's not how I'd be describing it given the challenges the HSE will be facing in protecting the significant amount of elderly and vulnerable we have in this country over the coming weeks and months.
    Putting words into my mouth now. I've two close family members working in the HSE who are doing everything they can to contain this, just like every other HSE worker. I'm talking about the pure scaremongering thats going on on here, comparing us with Italy.


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    #1402
    SlowBlowin
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    The maths of the virus:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg


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    #1403
    RandomName2
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    antiskeptic wrote: »
    Italy quarantines 16 million people in the north of the land.

    Meanwhile, 3 flights from northern Italian city Milan, due to land in Dublin this evening.

    A tiny island- ideally placed to implement control measuresand its open for business to a corona virus hotspot.

    Wtf

    We are clearly a very stupid people


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    #1404
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Putting words into my mouth now. I've two close family members working in the HSE who are doing everything they can to contain this, just like every other HSE worker. I'm talking about the pure scaremongering thats going on on here, comparing us with Italy.


    Ireland shall not be compared with Italy. Noted and disregarded.


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    #1405
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Putting words into my mouth now. I've two close family members working in the HSE who are doing everything they can to contain this, just like every other HSE worker. I'm talking about the pure scaremongering thats going on on here, comparing us with Italy.

    Italy had the same number of infected cases two weeks ago.


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    #1406
    cloudatlas
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    Anybody here thinking of writing to their t.d. The public needs to put pressure on them to stop non essential travel to cancel the parade and lock down areas.


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    #1407
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How would you deal with this then? How would you deal with cancelling annual leave? Do you carry it over to the next financial year? Do you just pay staff instead (needing an increase in the income tax)?

    Look by the end of this many people will be lucky to even have a job many will be dead the economy will be in the toilet.


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    #1408
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    We are clearly a very stupid people
    for allowing Irish people to come home as they are legally entitled to?


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    #1409
    [Deleted User]
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    And I have always thought of them like deities, nurses especially because they're criminally underpaid and undervalued in society imo. What I'm saying is everyone can only perform their own role in this. You all have my utmost respect

    Wish you the best of luck

    I'm not a nurse. But when all this is over, I imagine nurses will have bore the brunt of hardship. They are genuinely the most important aspect of the health system.


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    #1410
    Funsterdelux
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Nobody is stopping people getting Vitamin C from fruit or tablets. My understanding is the at the body excretes any excess of the vitamin.

    Berocca pee


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    #1411
    dePeatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Midfield Major wrote: »
    You can rest easy. This is a storm in a teacup. As you see in Eire only 2 cases today. It’s already peaked.
    Im so happy to hear this, there was I listening to the HSE and WHO, looking at what is happening in China and Italy whilst listening to top health experts, I am so relieved now having met a randomer on the Internet who knows more than anyone else. Ya Gobshyte!


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