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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #1322
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Italy 5th oldest (in the world): https://www.statista.com/statistics/264727/median-age-of-the-population-in-selected-countries/


    Ireland youngest in Europe: https://www.idaireland.com/invest-in-ireland/ireland-demographics

    Try using the same source for both, gives a much better picture


  • #1323
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Yurt! wrote: »
    During my aborted academic career, at the start of the semester, I warned undergrads that using Statista as a source would result in a fail. I'm not sure what I would have done if someone tried to cite an IDA website, probably make them sit outside the room.
    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/median-age/ ?? Same result.


  • #1324
    Duggie2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Duggie2012


    Ipso wrote: »
    What about Irish people that may be stuck there? Are they to be left in a hot zone, I’m all for mitigating risk but there are grey areas.

    cant be that many. Charter flight and into quarantine. Would it be that hard to organise?


  • #1325
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yurt! wrote: »
    During my aborted academic career, at the start of the semester, I warned undergrads that using Statista as a source would result in a fail. I'm not sure what I would have done if someone tried to cite the IDA website, probably make them sit outside the room.

    Is there a link between your aborted academic career and the rest of your post?


  • #1326
    namloc1980
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    tillyfilly wrote: »
    they are in quarantine now so can't leave anyways?

    Who are in quarantine? Airports in Northern Italy are open for business. 2 flights from Milan alone are landing in Dublin this evening.


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  • #1327
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    I was just looking at the figures to compare China and Italy:
    - Italy now has 366 deaths for a population of 60 millions (0.0000061 deaths per head of population).
    - China is at 3098 deaths for a population of 1.4 billions (0.0000022 deaths per head of population).

    So the virus has now killed about 3 times more Italians than Chinese relative to the total population.


  • #1328
    CinemaGuy45
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    This is worse than 9/11

    Well duh.

    I was one of the people that seen this doom coming from the very start I felt a little better when people started to take the message onboard.

    I have not enjoyed this and seeing Italy today is just really depressing.:(


  • #1329
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Ireland is protecting the economy short term, and it will lead to it's complete breakdown long term. Makes no sense.


  • #1330
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    OK,
    France is still at "stage 2 plus" and will move to "stage 3" only when the virus trasmission will spread to its entire territory, which is not the case yet.
    This means that they are not following Italy in locking down the most affected regions.
    https://www.bfmtv.com/societe/coronavirus-la-france-bientot-confinee-comme-le-nord-de-l-italie-1871214.html
    I also don't see social distancing implemented there.
    Earlier on French TV a commentator was asking consumers to continue spending as before.


  • #1331
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Pacing Mule wrote: »
    The fact we are only reporting 2 new cases today on top of 1 from yesterday is shocking. Zero confidence in anything coming from Dept Of Health now.

    Yes. They should have just added 10 for teh craic.


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  • #1332
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Seamai wrote: »
    Let's hope there will be more sympathy for the elderly when that time comes around for you but chances are there wont.

    Where did I have no sympathy? I said it is sad and talking about the bigger picture of how society would be badly affected in a different scenario. Cop on


  • #1333
    [Deleted User]
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    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Try using the same source for both, gives a much better picture

    https://statbank.cso.ie/multiquicktables/quickTables.aspx?id=pea01

    There's Ireland's. I feel the CSO doesn't cover Italy though.


  • #1334
    JJJackal
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Look at Italy today people in the HSE want to go on holiday right now?

    Are they insane?

    You have forgotten that the HSE treats its staff so well that they will want to stay in work longer now (and then have to fight to get paid for it and then have to fight over their holidays in the future and then have to fight to get PPE etc etc)


  • #1335
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    People on here disagreeing with the FACT that Ireland is a younger population than Italy, hence we should see way less deaths. It's incredible the lengths people go to spread doom.


  • #1336
    expectationlost
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    by community transmission do they mean unknown transmission?


  • #1337
    dxhound2005
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    TimeToShine wrote: »
    Start with the low hanging fruit and work your way up, those three flights from Milan should be grounded.

    Where next after the low hanging fruit?


  • #1338
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Yes. They should have just added 10 for teh craic.

    You sure that’s enough, can’t have someone coming and saying they know there’s more.


  • #1339
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Who are in quarantine? Airports in Northern Italy are open for business. 2 flights from Milan alone are landing in Dublin this evening.

    but airports in the affected regions under quarantine are closed


  • #1340
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    expectationlost wrote: »
    by community transmission do they mean unknown transmission?
    https://www.thejournal.ie/glossary-covid-19-coronavirus-5032902-Mar2020/
    Not a very good source I know but a good explanation.


  • #1341
    Beasty
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    Computer Science Student wrote: »
    There will be at least 60 more cases announced by Friday.
    Do not post in this thread again


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  • #1342
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/median-age/ ?? Same result.

    Again, if an undergrad turned in a paper citing that website, I'd be asking them who world population review are when they're at home.

    Sorry if I'm nitpicking, but you're making strong statements about cause and effect with the virus based on a median age figures cited from websites that most 1st year college students know better than to put in their footnotes.


  • #1343
    Drumpot
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Any announcement will just cause panic. Better to say nothing, and hope that everyone will be sensible. Especially by not forming queues to get unnecessary stockpiles.

    So if all your shops were closed and your town was locked down and isolated from the outside, you think it’s best to just let people imagine what might happen instead of telling them the plan to safeguard everything they need?


  • #1344
    faceman
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    TimeToShine wrote: »
    Banning flights from the north of Italy would be a start. Not exactly rocket science

    Nope. As previously posted more than once, research shows banning flights only temporarily delays the spread of the disease. 3-5 days in the case of China. 3 weeks in international cases.

    There’s more to it than that but that’s the headline


  • #1345
    [Deleted User]
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I see two points here. Annual leave is essential. We see in Italy and China a very high level of cases among medical staff. A part of this is exposure and a part is overwork as they try and deal with the criss.

    If a doctor could take a week off in the next month and if that would half the level of cases amoung front line medical staff I would love to give it to them. Can the HSE afford to do this though?

    I honestly don't thinks so. If staff take holidays during crisis there won't be enough people on the front line.

    Fair. But would the general public take the hit in increased taxes that this would cause like 1-2% increase in income tax short term.


  • #1346
    Cork Boy 53
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    Ipso wrote: »
    What about Irish people that may be stuck there? Are they to be left in a hot zone, I’m all for mitigating risk but there are grey areas.

    Why are they there in the first place? It has been known for weeks now that northern Italy is a high risk area.


  • #1347
    MCKG
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    aloevera33 wrote: »
    Where are you getting this information that there is confirmed case in west

    I know the person.


  • #1348
    Nijmegen
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People on here disagreeing with the FACT that Ireland is a younger population than Italy, hence we should see way less deaths. It's incredible the lengths people go to spread doom.

    This is true. However, we also know that the capacity of our health system is already poor (given trolley numbers) to begin with so one may offset the other (younger population vs poorer health system). We just don’t know. But we do know what widespread infection is quite possible and I don’t fancy gambling the HSE can absorb the hit and keep people alive, with the virus and other conditions.


  • #1349
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Again, if an undergrad turned in a paper citing that website, I'd be asking them who world population review are when they're at home.

    Sorry if I'm nitpicking, but you're making strong statements about cause and effect with the virus based on a median age figures cited from websites that most 1st year college students know better than to put in their footnotes.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/fields/343rank.html
    Is the CIA a bad website too?


  • #1350
    Duggie2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Duggie2012


    Is there a possibility that it may not be that bad here at the moment? Could we be lucky and hopefully continue to see very small increases. Possible right? Im hoping


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  • #1351
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    will schools be closed if this gets worse? My father has a lot of health issues and is over 60, my better half is also immune compromised, i work with a lot of additional needs students whom have compromised immune systems as well as conditions like asthma, diabetes etc. I know the hse is only saying we have 2 new cases today but from what i am seeing in every other country in the world, that isnt going to stay the case for long unless we have some sort of magic barrier around us and our country.


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