Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

4068ac1elhodqr · 06-03-2020 05:15PM

BloodBath wrote: »

That's pretty much how supply chains work. If people stayed calm the factories and supply chains would keep up for the most part.
Mass panic and stockpiling will empty shops and increase panic as shelves empty leaving many without essential items.
That's why I get annoyed by people promoting ott fear and panic buying.
If 25% of people bought a month+ supply of certain items those items would go out of stock for the other 75% of people unless there were stockpiles of those items which themselves will run out eventually.

Or ideally if people started to 'gradually' stock up way back in early/mid December when WuFlu was 1st announced, supply would have gradually increased as a signalled response.

The likely problem is that very soon folks will bulk buy in a single day/weekend, all a the same time, and supply can't respond to sudden, unexpected and unplanned demands.

OneColdHand · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Cant have cases if you don't screen for them!

To be fair, they might be relatively well protected. It's not like their borders are very open!

saabsaab · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Indeed, but out of a sample of a few thousands, The likelihood of a few people having it is high and they’ll be packed in enclosed metal tubes for 3 hours with 200 other folks on their way to ireland.

I still think people will go anyway as they paid for their journey, but I have to say I don’t think I would get on one of those flights myself.

If Italian travellers are using cash this will mix with all the other euro coins notes etc. and spread infection as well.

Is cash being disinfected in Dublin?

_Whimsical_ · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

I have to say I am now very worried.

I had been under the misapprension that medical treatment in China might be a bit haphazaard and somewhat behind what we have here. The truth is very different. A WHO spokesman on the podcast on bbc last night talked about measures they used in China to treat those severely affected and they were extraordinary. They widely used ECMO machines that take over all the work of the lungs filtering blood of CO2. These machines are used temporarily during transplant surgery usually. They were not always successful or very successful but the WHO guy said they were recommending states buy these machines as the most effective line of treatment for those severely ill. I wouldn't say we have a handful of those machines in the country or ppl capable of using them. This does not sound like pneumonia as we know it at all. I would expect death rates to potentially be much higher in areas not able to put such measures in places.

06-03-2020 05:16PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Maybe I should have said I don’t think people realise how bad it can get!

Probably worded that wrongly in fairness. Yes, you can suffer terribly from the flu. I think people are always surprised by the number of silent carriers of it who are just as contagious as those with visible symptoms.

josip · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

Some extra curricular activities in our primary school for next week have been cancelled.

lawrencesummers · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Not sure where you have been? :P

A few places.

First case Saturday 29th, 6 days ago.

WAZZA1989 · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Don't forget North Korea !!!

NO CASES!!!

One case, But he got a bullet.. So yeah, None I guess!

Thewife · 06-03-2020 05:16PM

Kermit I’m going for 16 confirmed today !

I really hope I’m wrong , but given the doctor in co Clare and the community case in cork I’d imagine the numbers will jump significantly over the coming days !

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So how many cases today for Ireland?

What's the juice? What's the sauce? What's the gossip?

I won't tell anyone

spookwoman · 06-03-2020 05:17PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1235962441454030849?s=20

Metroid diorteM · 06-03-2020 05:17PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It's not 3rd world, and this does not prove anything to the effect.

Spot the poster who hasn't been to a hospital recently.

lawrencesummers · 06-03-2020 05:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They are cancelling elective procedures because we are dealing with a probable pandemic. Surely, this a version of planning rather than the HSE collapsing?

You can’t deal with something that’s probable.
You can only deal with what is actual, and our healthcare system is starting to grind to a halt for regular run of the mill treatments with 13 cases spread around the country during a “containment phase”

Gods Gift · 06-03-2020 05:19PM

I think we will soon be revealing Kermit the frog as Europe’s first confirmed Coronavirus Addict.

Tacitus Kilgore · 06-03-2020 05:19PM

Metroid diorteM wrote: »

Spot the poster who hasn't been to a hospital recently.

spot the poster who's never had the pleasure of dealing with an actual 3rd world health service :rolleyes:

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 06-03-2020 05:19PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Just to be clear, the symptoms you describe above are in the severe/critical group. Most people will not be in spasms as they slowly die from this.

The poster I was replying to was suggesting that healthcare workers go in and work when sick. They WILL become severe if they do that and possibly create environments that the virus will thrive in with hosts happily disregarding good practice. But what else do you expect, we've thrown out all the other possible steps and are just watching as it creeps through our population now. Where will we be this time next week?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

I just did a quick Google for you. This guy had a mild dose, he was young and healthy (25) and he stopped going to work. Then one morning he woke up and couldn't breathe. Mild cases where you do everything right can result in death. This disease is not to be fncked with.

See above post RE Ivo Cilesi

No worse than a bad flu, he said. He's dead now.

lawrencesummers · 06-03-2020 05:19PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1235962441454030849?s=20

Refuse to self isolate, get detained to somewhere that you aren’t self isolating in.

At least someone is finding it funny

DrumSteve · 06-03-2020 05:20PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You can’t deal with something that’s probable.
You can only deal with what is actual, and our healthcare system is starting to grind to a halt for regular run of the mill treatments with 13 cases spread around the country during a “containment phase”

FFS. It's not.

Stop with this.

It's cancelling appointments for elective or non-life threatening procedures in advance of a possible outbreak.

Damned if they do it and damned if they don't.

niallo27 · 06-03-2020 05:20PM

josip wrote: »

Can you explain how you would escalate a story?
I'm having a slow afternoon.

Ah you know what I meant.

AmberGold · 06-03-2020 05:21PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I have to say I am now very worried.

I had been under the misapprension that medical treatment in China might be a bit haphazaard and somewhat behind what we have here. The truth is very different. A WHO spokesman on the podcast on bbc last night talked about measures they used in China to treat those severely affected and they were extraordinary. They widely used ECMO machines that take over all the work of the lungs filtering blood of CO2. These machines are used temporarily during transplant surgery usually. They were not always successful or very successful but the WHO guy said they were recommending states buy these machines as the most effective line of treatment for those severely ill. I wouldn't say we have a handful of those machines in the country or ppl capable of using them. This does not sound like pneumonia as we know it at all. I would expect death rates to potentially be much higher in areas not able to put such measures in places.

Saw this myself in an article, we are f***ed when it comes to critical care at this level.

Metroid diorteM · 06-03-2020 05:22PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

spot the poster who's never had the pleasure of dealing with an actual 3rd world health service :rolleyes:

I have actually. Either way you're not getting treated. Wait all day in filth or wait all day with clean floors. That's about the difference.

IAMAMORON · 06-03-2020 05:22PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Belgium, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden, all have over 100 cases as of this morning, Switzerland now has over 200, France and Germany both almost 600 cases

Europe now has around 6000 cases, 3/4 of them in Italy

Wow that means that if there are 742 million people in Europe that one person in every 124,000 has contracted the Covid virus. My calculator says that is .000006% of Europe's population has the virus.

Wow those masks must be working? Or is it all the handwashing?

In Italy 4500/60,800,000 or a really tiny percentage of the population have it there also. That means one person in every 13,500 has the virus. That is like .0074 % of their population. It has to be the Lasagne , or maybe the garlic?

Crikey. No wonder the US and Russia are shítting bricks. When are those EU trade talks happening anyway?

Kermit.de.frog · 06-03-2020 05:23PM

Thewife wrote: »

Kermit I’m going for 16 confirmed today !

I really hope I’m wrong , but given the doctor in co Clare and the community case in cork I’d imagine the numbers will jump significantly over the coming days !

I think your prediction is a bit high - i'll sit on this lovely fence and go for 10 cases. :cool:

We should do a competition.

lawrencesummers · 06-03-2020 05:25PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

FFS. It's not.

Stop with this.

It's cancelling appointments for elective or non-life threatening procedures in advance of a possible outbreak.

Damned if they do it and damned if they don't.

It’s cancelling procedures because they don’t have the personnel or capacity to deal with the additional work, which currently is very little.

If they were cancelling procedures because of a few hundred cases then fine, that’s unprecedented, but 13 people have currently been diagnosed with a bad flu and the HSE needs to cancel treatment.

What part of an over capacity healthcare system do you not understandz

International best practice is that healthcare operates at 92% of capacity on a regular basis, which allows for incidents and seasonal increases to be accommodated. We are operating at 100-101+% capacity.

That’s the problem, it’s just now we can see the Effects of it. Our healthcare system doesn’t have any capacity to handle an issue like this.

niallo27 · 06-03-2020 05:25PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Wow that means that if there are 742 million people in Europe that one person in every 124,000 has contracted the Covid virus. My calculator says that is .000006% of Europe's population has the virus.

Wow those masks must be working? Or is it all the handwashing?

In Italy 4500/60,800,000 or a really tiny percentage of the population have it there also. That means one person in every 13,500 has the virus. That is like .0074 % of their population. It has to be the Lasagne , or maybe the garlic?

Crikey. No wonder the US and Russia are shítting bricks. When are those EU trade talks happening anyway?

Now why I'd do agree with ya for most of it, does it not scare ya a tiny bit at how fast this thing could spread.

Quin_Dub · 06-03-2020 05:25PM

babybuilder wrote: »

Any idea when the €30 limit will be increased on tapping bank card at checkouts?

That's what your phone is for...

Set Up Google/Apple pay - No limit once the phone is unlocked.

Candamir · 06-03-2020 05:26PM

Metroid diorteM wrote: »

Spot the poster who hasn't been to a hospital recently.

Spot the posters who’ve never been in an actual third world hospital!

Boggles · 06-03-2020 05:26PM

The guards can force people to self isolate?

Until they start coughing.

:pac:

Call Me Jimmy · 06-03-2020 05:26PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Now why I'd do agree with ya for most of it, does it not scare ya a tiny bit at how fast this thing could spread.

It will stay as it is today forever.

DOCARCH · 06-03-2020 05:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We should do a competition.

What's the prize?

niallo27 · 06-03-2020 05:26PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s cancelling procedures because they don’t have the personnel or capacity to deal with the additional work, which currently is very little.

If they were cancelling procedures because of a few hundred cases then fine, that’s unprecedented, but 13 people have currently been diagnosed with a bad flu and the HSE needs to cancel treatment.

What part of an over capacity healthcare system do you not understandz

International best practice is that healthcare operates at 92% of capacity on a regular basis, which allows for incidents and seasonal increases to be accommodated. We are operating at 100-101+% capacity.

That’s the problem, it’s just now we can see the Effects of it. Our healthcare system doesn’t have any capacity to handle an issue like this.

Or maybe they are cancelling to stop people from entering possible infected areas.

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP