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Cheltenham 2020

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    #1592
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    begbysback wrote: »
    Lads, if you were going to pay for quality cheltenham tips, who would you go to?

    PM me , a tenner a tip. I accept cash or cheque.


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    #1593
    MaxBet
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Lads, if you were going to pay for quality cheltenham tips, who would you go to?

    A doctor .

    You’d be nuts to pay anyone


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    #1594
    FatRat
    Registered Users Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    Flying Angel not in the Ultima despite a good run last year. Maybe Kim Muir bound off 144 and definitely a big price if so


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    #1595
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    PM me , a tenner a tip. I accept cash or cheque.

    Lol you’ve already posted them for free!!


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    #1596
    begbysback
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    MaxBet wrote: »
    A doctor .

    You’d be nuts to pay anyone

    Haven’t looked at horse form in years so I’d need a doctor if I tried picking them myself, surely there’s a reputable source out there?


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    #1597
    Croll
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Haven’t looked at horse form in years so I’d need a doctor if I tried picking them myself, surely there’s a reputable source out there?
    Theres a lad on twitter called Kris , his tips are free and he knows his stuff, usually go with him if I dont have time to study a big meeting or race


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    #1598
    MaxBet
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭MaxBet


    There’s any amount of free tips flying around , just don’t go paying anyone .

    Even Hugh Taylor’s prices will stand up a bit better at Cheltenham , then you’ve got the likes of Andy Holding on Oddschecker or that Value lad on Sporting Life , Gary O’Brien ....

    Even if you kept an eye on here you’d find a winner or two ......

    Probably ....


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    #1599
    zpehtsfd
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Haven’t looked at horse form in years so I’d need a doctor if I tried picking them myself, surely there’s a reputable source out there?

    Basically it's a lottery cause all horses are trying so don't get caught up following tipsters. Have a bit of craic and jump on a couple of the so-called "bankers" cause the media will be hyping them up all day and it really gets the juices flowing when your horse is repeatedly mentioned. Just remember if you back Paisley Park and you see the jockey pushing him along after halfway, he's only warming him up. :)

    Seriously though if you want a form guide then look for horses that have course form or preferably course and distance form (indicated by "c" and "d") on the racecard. Time and time again you see this stat repeated. GL


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    #1600
    akelly02
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    Anyone going to the moyvalley preview tonight?

    should be a bit of craic


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    #1601
    IAMAMORON
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Lol you’ve already posted them for free!!

    Ruby Walsh said to back Benie Des Dieux. I trust him. He is really polite to everyone and I like his smile.


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    #1602
    Earendil
    Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Earendil


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Ruby Walsh said to back Benie Des Dieux. I trust him. He is really polite to everyone and I like his smile.

    :D:D


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    #1603
    begbysback
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    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Basically it's a lottery cause all horses are trying so don't get caught up following tipsters. Have a bit of craic and jump on a couple of the so-called "bankers" cause the media will be hyping them up all day and it really gets the juices flowing when your horse is repeatedly mentioned. Just remember if you back Paisley Park and you see the jockey pushing him along after halfway, he's only warming him up. :)

    Seriously though if you want a form guide then look for horses that have course form or preferably course and distance form (indicated by "c" and "d") on the racecard. Time and time again you see this stat repeated. GL

    Yea, I would disagree with the lottery part, given that all horses would be prepared for the festival and jockeys would be giving it everything. It’s a lottery backing horses and hoping the trainer doesn’t decide to take it easy on the horse, I mean it’s fairly pointless sending a horse to cheltenham and not try, so that element is removed. Ok your selection is generally up against quality but that’s where good horses have some value in the price.

    I used to subscribe to a tipster, can’t remember the name, usually football and golf, the football tips were average, but the golf was great, many winners, the write ups were very detailed down to the grass type etc. they stopped charging when they lost their main golf guy and just gave free tips then.

    It used to be laughable to me that people would pay for tips, but in my experience there are people out there who put a lot of time and effort into selections, I’m more of a poker degenerate these days so I don’t really have the time to study form, and I don’t mind paying a little for their expertise.


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    #1604
    howareyakid
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    I enjoy listening to John Duggan’s charity bets on Newstalk/Today FM. I prefer to make my own selections but I would usually read his on the day and see what line he’s taking, for the handicaps particularly. He tipped up Al Bloum Photo for the Gold Cup last season but just about broke even for the week as a whole if memory serves me correct.


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    #1605
    Croll
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    Does anyone think a plus tard won’t win? I think he’s still value at 9/4 and at that price is probably one of my best bets of the week


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    #1606
    NaiveMelodies
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    Croll wrote: »
    Does anyone think a plus tard won’t win? I think he’s still value at 9/4 and at that price is probably one of my best bets of the week

    I think Min will be backed off the boards and finally get his Cheltenham win.
    APTs got more questions than answers for me at the moment.


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    #1607
    Coneygree
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    Min-APT-Frodon tricast the surest thing all week!


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    #1608
    Croll
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    NaiveMelodies wrote: »
    I think Min will be backed off the boards and finally get his Cheltenham win.
    APTs got more questions than answers for me at the moment.

    Hopefully so I can get a better price on APT, course and distance winner which counts for so much here , what questions has he to answer?


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    #1609
    NaiveMelodies
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    Croll wrote: »
    Hopefully so I can get a better price on APT, course and distance winner which counts for so much here , what questions has he to answer?

    I'd start with 1 G1 v 5 G1s then work my way down.


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    #1610
    Croll
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    NaiveMelodies wrote: »
    I'd start with 1 G1 v 5 G1s then work my way down.

    Or you could go with the 1/1 at Cheltenham vs the 0/3 ?


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    #1611
    Plasandrunt
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    APT won a handicap while was Min was 2nd twice to one of the greatest chasers of all time, lets get perspective here


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    #1612
    FatRat
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    A novice 0-145 handicap is about the very bottom of the Cheltenham Barrel. Wouldn't say it's unrealistic to think APT can win this Ryanair but I would question his price. He still has so much to prove realistically.


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    #1613
    BoldReason
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    Croll wrote: »
    Hopefully so I can get a better price on APT, course and distance winner which counts for so much here , what questions has he to answer?

    I like A Plus Tard myself. But he is technically not a course and distance winner.


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    #1614
    NaiveMelodies
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    Croll wrote: »
    Or you could go with the 1/1 at Cheltenham vs the 0/3 ?

    OK.


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    #1615
    madmoose
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    People had mentioned Sempo for the Coral Cup but Joseph has said he more likely goes to the Albert Bartlett.


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    #1616
    culline
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    Looking to get involved in the specials markets - how do people think Gigginstown will fair? They had one winner last year, 7 in 2018. This year they don’t look immensely strong imho


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    #1617
    Croll
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    Plasandrunt wrote: »
    APT won a handicap while was Min was 2nd twice to one of the greatest chasers of all time, lets get perspective here

    5th most recently, 2nd Ahead of 4/5 other weak challengers isn’t something to shout about either , for example the only single figure horse he beat in 3 runs at Cheltenham was douvan who fell that day , not like he ever got that close to altior either
    Fair enough with APT wasnt course and distance because it was old course but festival and distance still counts for a bit.
    That’s just my opinion anyways not saying I’m right or that ye are wrong


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    #1618
    IAMAMORON
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    I think that if Politologue goes in the Ryanair he would be a danger to all. It looks like they haven't pulled the trigger on him this year and he gave Altior a fright in last years Queen Mother. He has won a Tingle Creek and a Melling, that is 2 grade 1's, if he was anything around 20/1 I would have a few fivers each way.

    Tough enough to split Min and A Plus Tard all things considered and throw in Riders on the Storm( may have had his day the last time), and you're head scratching.

    I see Nicky Henderson has no Triumph entry so I checked his 4 years olds and Palladium is 12/1 generally for the Fred Winter. 73 rated on the flat, not massive but won it's last 2 races by 10 and 11 lengths, I like that. Paddy Power are 5 places already and with no Triumph horse(remarkably) I think has to have a chance.


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    #1619
    jj mac
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    Frodon coming into this under the radar a bit. Has course and distance form and could take a bit of catching imo


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    #1620
    Dr. Bre
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    jj mac wrote: »
    Frodon coming into this under the radar a bit. Has course and distance form and could take a bit of catching imo

    It would be unbearable if he won tho


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    #1621
    FatRat
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    What is the point of 6day Decs when undecideds can still remain undecided, like Honeysuckle staying in the mares and champion?

    Is it so that it cost money to keep them in at this stage? Therefore incentivise trainers/owners to pull horses earlier? I don't see a point of it when final Decs happen a few days later anyway


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