Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Sorry but it IS panic.

Concern is taking reasonable precautions like handwashing and staying away from people who are very obviously sick, and asking anyone with cold symptoms to work from home or give them paid sick time.

What we have here is shelves of hand gel and toilet paper being cleared out, panic buying, stockpiling, major drama and panic as soon as someone hears of a case within 100 miles of them. The mental health implications of all this are not to be scoffed at, not to mention the shortages caused for people who DO need things like surgical masks and hand sanitiser by all the panic buying.

There are multiple eye-witness accounts in this thread of shops that have not been striped bare by panicked locusts. Buying hand gel in the circumstances isn't panic either, it's actually a very rational response to recommendations to do precisely that. The dearth in shops that has resulted is because they weren't prepared for the sudden surge in demand. Taking rational precautionary measures isn't panic. If people were breaking into places to loot masks, that would be panic.

Just a summary of a string of posts I have done over the last few threads ->

Why I believe we have a bigger % in the high risk categories ->

1 in 8 of our population are over 65.

"Ireland has the third highest rate of cancer in the world - ranked only behind Australia and New Zealand, according to a global report.
Our inactive and unhealthy lifestyle habits along with the ageing population are leaving more people at risk of the disease.
The rate of new cases of cancer in Ireland this year is estimated at 373.7 per 100,000 people"

"With Irish men scoring the highest body mass index (BMI, a key measure of being overweight), in Europe, Irish women ranking third in this category, and one in four children in Ireland now classified as overweight or obese, concern is growing about the inevitable impact on our hearts."

There are currently almost 226,000 people living with diabetes in Ireland.

Ireland has one of the highest rates of high blood pressure internationally and among the lowest levels of diagnosis, treatment and control of the condition.

Dr Paul Kavanagh, who is an adviser to the HSE’s Quit programme, said more than one in five people aged 15 or over in Ireland are smokers.

ABOUT HALF A million people in Ireland are estimated to have Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD)

The mortality figures from China for those infected with covid-19 who have other conditions…
13.2% for those with cardiovascular disease
9.2% for diabetes
8.4% for hypertension
8.0% for chronic respiratory disease
7.6% for cancer

3 doctors came out last week saying we have zero capacity to deal with an outbreak here. I don't think anyone expected us to magic up a few new ICUs. Most of us on here knew it was only a matter of time until we got a confirmed case and most likely few more before the week is out, by end of March I hope we can still keep it low but I have huge doubts, I'm nearly 100% convinced we will have a big outbreak. It's mad to see flights from Milan still coming in here. Slowing the spread is all we can do now, to prevent our health system getting overwhelmed too quickly. We don't want the added pressures of effecting other critical non-virus patients.

To see other countries handling of the situation and then I see people handing out leaflets at Dublin airport makes me despair. The absurdity of not giving the public the information on that school effected in the age of social age is beyond me. Why sow seeds of distrust when people already have a lack of confidence in the system? It's obvious the majority just want simple, honest and transparent information. It seems to work for Hong Kong, Singapore & Taiwan to name a few.

In work today, new people started, they were brought around shaking hands with everyone. It's also mad how you listen out a good bit more nowadays and realise the amount of people that cough/sneeze/sniffle daily. Some not raising their arms, just coughing into their hands, touching handles, chairs etc.

I think the societal breakdown would more likely happen in the US....and they have guns. I haven't given it too much thought for what could happen here in that scenario...but we are definitely staring down the tracks to a deep recession if this persists for months on end and the many implications that has. The idea of relying on China for generic drugs and other manufacturing products for the global economy seems a bit daft in the midst of a pandemic. This might kickstart solutions to rejig supply chains and that's not a bad thing in my opinion. High density co-living "solutions", which were always a degrade in quality of life to me personally - seem extra insane now too in the face of a pandemic.

Still concerning - the reinfections...is it not building up enough antibodies during the first round? It is biphasic? Waiting on more research here. Mutation...the idea of a second wave like with the spanish flu that started to kill younger healthier people. I think that, coupled with this becoming part of the cold and flu season means that vaccines will be an never ending battle which could be a game changer. Let's hope it mutates down a less infectious path and dies out as soon as possible.

I feel for the health sector, esp the frontline that are under staffed and under resourced. Don't go to the GP or local A&E if you think you have it. Ring the public health numbers. They are the ones that will be doing the testing. I also feel for people in lines of work where taking time off means zero sick pay and are forced to work to ensure they don't get kicked out of their high rent situation.

We need less of the polarizing extremes to discount points being made ->

No, we don't want to know what the confirmed case had for breakfast or photos of their blu-tack collection, just location X on date Y please.
No, it's not just a cold or a flu, less of the relaxed attitude to it, we have immunocompromised people genuinely worried and that type of mentality doesn't help.

So get a good nights sleep, hand hygiene when you get into work, come out of a meeting, go through a few rooms, come home, stock up on essentials, bark at anyone coughing and to reassure anyone in your life that is at high risk that they will be ok as long as they take extra precautions.

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

Thebaz, that isn’t how viruses work unfortunately. There’s no building up of immunity because they mutate so easily.

No evidence of this so far in the case of COVID 19 according to the very good WHO report from China:

Harpy wrote: »

Meant to go to Rome Saturday for 3 days.. Really unsure what to do.. there doesn’t seem to be many cases there at the minute so I’m leaning towards going.. but I think if offered a refund on flights I’d take it so I’m just thinking am I being stupid to go over the sake of 400 euro..

Do you have a parent over 70?

If you get it and infect them they have an 85% chance of survival.

400 quid is well worth the risk.

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Christ.

Less carbon in the atmosphere = more heat lost to space instead of being reflected back to ground.

This took less than one second to find on google: https://www.nrdc.org/stories/global-warming-101

No need to be patronising.

I was referring to the effect of having as many flights as we do in the sky daily, has been suggested to have a cooling affect on some areas of the surface. (Not offsetting the carbon emitted by these jets of course!)

Clearly carbon stores heat and heats up the planet, and less of it is only a good thing.

I read it somewhere and can't find a source now. But it was speculated that grounding a significant number of flights would have an impact on temperatures in the short term.

Closest I could find talks about the impact in the first year after 9/11 when a large number of planes were grounded following the attacks:

https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment/

About a year after the attacks, Carleton, David Travis, a geographer at the University of Wisconsin, and another colleague argued in a paper that thin clouds created by contrails reduce the range of temperatures. By contributing to cloud cover during the day, they reflect solar energy that would otherwise have reached the earth’s surface. At night, they trap warmth that would otherwise have escaped.

Why do virus's 'peak' anyone know? Why is there a critical mass that's reached then tapers off. Why doesn't it just continue spreading on an upward scale. Would it be due to human immunity after a certain point or is it something about the nature of viruses in themselves.

French government priority is no longer containment but slowing down the advent of an epidemic in France .https://www.bfmtv.com/societe/carte-coronavirus-en-france-le-nombre-de-cas-region-par-region-1867710.html
'Prime Minister Édouard Philippe underlined that the "objective" of the government was to "slow down to prevent, or at least delay, the free circulation of the virus on the territory which would mark the 'arrival in phase 3, that is to say the actual epidemic of coronavirus in France ".

cameramonkey wrote: »

I talked to many Chinese people over the last few weeks.One that came back from an area that had no cases. he said that he wasn't allowed out of his building for 10 days until he flew back to Ireland. He was checked 4 times from the time he left his house to the time he sat on his aircraft seat. In most areas in China all the people I talked to said their normal life has stopped , they have been sitting at home for the last month only going out once a week for supplies. China will be rid of the virus sooner than Europe. They have the ability to stop society operating quickly and then to scale up any response to deal with it.

I have been watching YouTube about life in China for a few years now as it's amazing what they can do.
Most people probably are aware that they built some hospitals very rapidly.
Just look at the comparison of how they put together high speed rail across their expanse over the last decade as an example.

On the other hand, it's also obvious that China is the place where all these diseases are going to be coming from (SARS anyone?).
When you have to put up signs at water reservoirs for people not to **** and piss then you know you have problems.
China is the already the biggest polluter contributing to climate change and now they're adding to that accolade with direct human disease. The international community needs to tell China to really clean up it's dirty act

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Oh we're right on the same track, was looking for Daegu as well, haven't found any yet. But whatever the sums turn out to be (was trying to get a number of infected before shtf regarding serious cases)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/consultant-warns-not-enough-icu-beds-in-event-of-coronavirus-outbreak-983636.html

That's what's confusing me. I thought Bruce Aylward in his media interview in Geneva said the serious cases need ventilation. That's the 16% of severe cases?

frillyleaf wrote: »

Can you post source ?

Australians suspected of carrying virus could soon be banned from crowded public places

Biosecurity control orders could soon be imposed to direct Australians suspected of carrying the coronavirus to remain in lockdown.

Human health "response zones" could also be declared, banning people from attending places of mass gathering like schools and shopping centres.


Australia's biosecurity laws allow for compulsory detention as Attorney General Christian Porter concedes behaviour might have to change in the event a coronavirus pandemic is declared.

Attorney-General Christian Porter said the laws were already used in a "limited and narrow" way at border points, if incoming travellers are suspected of being sick.

"It's very likely that these laws will get used on a larger scale," Mr Porter told ABC radio on Tuesday.

"And it's very likely that Australians will encounter practices and instructions and circumstances that they have not had to encounter before."

Mr Porter acknowledged the laws would feel "strange and foreign" to many people.

"But they will become very important, I would suspect, over the next couple of months."

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-update-live-global-death-toll-passes-3000-as-oecd-sounds-alarm-20200303-p54684.html

Blueshoe wrote: »

Nah you've missed half the conversation. It started as a joke about if law and order broke down. A few people played along then the usual types came on the scene and said this isn't true or that isn't right etc etc.
You know the type. Your last sentence.
Just forget it.
It's not worth the argument

If I recall correctly, you were the first to mention guns this evening, something about if people from.cities think they can come down to rural ireland for food and water, i have guns....

I for one dont see or get the joke here. Guns are not funny. Good night.

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

didn't know that, thanks

Have a read of this :eek: