Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

Drumpot · 02-03-2020 01:52PM

Unearthly wrote: »

EU high risk, Ireland low risk.

Makes sense

It’s because people can’t swim across to our Island. Boats and planes don’t count.... :rolleyes:

ChikiChiki · 02-03-2020 01:53PM

quokula wrote: »

It’s not that hard to understand. Risk on a mainland where there are already hundreds of cases is higher than risk on an island where there has been a single isolated case.

Then the criteria around risk measurement and by extension risk management is way is off. That would suggest they are disregarding or willfully ignoring what we know to date about the spread of the virus.
It is very easy for me to understand. When we are assessing risks as part of our projects we take all quantitative and qualitative facts at hand.

We would then assess

Probability the likelihood that a risk or opportunity will occur (on a scale from 0 to 10 with 10 being the highest).

Impact: The impact of the risk if the risk occurs (scale from 0 to 10 with 10 being the highest).

This provides a risk score.

So for Corona virus given what we know to date I would say;

Probability given what we know 10
Impact Given what we know 8

Resulting in a risk score of 80. That is in the high risk zone.

In response to that we would but controls in place to reduce or eliminate the occurrence of the risk and do a response plan for the occurrence.

With no prevention measures in place the probability was always high.

givyjoe · 02-03-2020 01:54PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

There is no evidence that this is killing young people.
The people who die are old AND sick. This small subset needs to be protected.
The rest can jog on.

Old people/people with pre existing conditions are NOT small subset.

Carol25 · 02-03-2020 01:54PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

There is no evidence that this is killing young people.
The people who die are old AND sick. This small subset needs to be protected.
The rest can jog on.

There was an article posted here at the weekend from the Guardian based on a 21 year old in Wuhan who got the disease. Without hospital care, he may not have survived. Also listened to an interview at the weekend from a Chinese doctor, possibly in his 30s who managed to recover, however he has a shadow still on his lung and his liver is damaged. Where are you getting your information that this particular group of people can 'jog on'. China doesn't lock down its country unless it's serious...

02-03-2020 01:54PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

This secrecy crap is getting a bit much.

No one is going to publish names. No one wants names. Who cares? Fact is, local people will find out the 'who it is' in no time and yeah, will probably get it wrong.

But this not even naming a school is more of the same mentality that has gotten Ireland into trouble in the past. There should be no secrets on this one. Tell people where and when.

Either you hide problems under a carpet, or you lift the carpet and you clean the floor. We should know that by now.

And if a not overly ill carrier hides themselves under the carpet because they don't want to risk identifcation (for whatever reason) that is ok too ?

wakka12 · 02-03-2020 01:54PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran/tehran-reports-66-dead-from-coronavirus-as-who-team-heads-to-iran-idUSKBN20P1E6?utm_source=reddit.com
Deputy Health Minister Alireza Raisi claims 66 people have died in Tehran alone. A team of WHO officials are heading to Tehran now.

Naggdefy · 02-03-2020 01:55PM

Drumpot wrote: »

It’s because people can’t swim across to our Island. Boats and planes don’t count....

It's the same mentality that denied until the last minute that the IMF were coming in back in 2010.

seamus · 02-03-2020 01:55PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

J£sus wept! I thought we got passed all that crap with AIDS! So it's a dark dirty secret now if you get Covid-19? What'll the Fkn neighbours think?
Unbelievable mentality.

You're reading that entirely backwards.

People will panic about coronavirus because they're idiots. If you knew that by coming forward, your name would become public knowledge the next day, would you come forward?

Like fvck you would. You'd have all sorts of texts on your phone, funny looks from people for months. Your family getting hassle about it. Really. Of all things, matters of public health see people lose their bloody minds.

This is standard international practice; balancing the needs of public health against patient confidentiality. Every country's needs are different. We are a small country, which makes the disclosure of information different than in, for example, Wuhan.

What actual benefit would be served by naming the school publically? Zero. Therefore no need to name it.

reg114 · 02-03-2020 01:56PM

Alun wrote: »

Just back from a shop in Tesco and Lidl. In Tesco lots of empty shelves where Pasta, tinned tomatoes and pasta sauces, baked beans and rather oddly, flour should have been. Big empty fridge in Lidl where frozen pizzas should be and no pasta at all.

I think once this is all over we'll have another crisis on our hands with malnutrition caused by people eating nothing but pasta and tomato sauce for weeks on end.

No shortages of healthy stuff like fruit and veg mind you.

Its funny / disturbing how rational intelligent peoples' priorities are influenced by social media and a ravenous 24/7 news media ....

29 people have died on irish roads since the start of the year... where is the panic about road fatalities ? Maybe road safety isnt sexy enough for social media or perhaps because its reliant upon individual responsibility it doesnt count when compared to an exotic virus which is being hyped up into a modern day boogy man.

Its people who are putting the PANic into this pandemic, not the virus itself.

In 2020 more people in Ireland will die of the traditional flu, smoking related cancers, obesity, cardiovascular problems than will die of the coronavirus with a mortality rate of 3% .. Perspective and some logical rationale are needed rather than feeding the panicking social media beast.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 02-03-2020 01:56PM

blanch152 wrote: »

This post should be stickied and made compulsory reading for all the idiots who want every piece of information made public.

In an age of social media, it's difficult to keep this information under wraps.

A Dublin school with 400 pupils can't close for 2 weeks without anyone noticing. That's 400 teenagers sitting at home self-isolating, with not much else to do besides text each other and post on the Internet. Plus, you have 800 parents to post about it as well.

If any school or company in Ireland has coronavirus patients, you can be sure the word will get out — if not officially through the HSE then unofficially through social media, WhatsApp groups, people texting each other, you name it. It's completely impossible to contain the spread of information.

Drumpot · 02-03-2020 01:57PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

It's the same mentality that denied until the last minute that the IMF were coming in back in 2010.

In fairness our German friends quarantined the IMF from Ireland very quickly. Guaranteeing those bond holders and making sure those German banks got all their money back was important to us cause they are our friends....

GooglePlus · 02-03-2020 01:57PM

We may as well not be an island with the transport of people and goods into our country, this will make little difference.

wakka12 · 02-03-2020 01:57PM

https://rr.sapo.pt/2020/03/02/pais/coronavirus-chega-a-portugal-dois-casos-confirmados-no-porto/noticia/183817/
Portuguese national became infected after travelling to Spain. Spain claims to have no outbreak of community transmission currently

02-03-2020 01:57PM

Seriously! Stop with the comparison to road accidents.

THERE IS NO COMPARISON!

iamtony · 02-03-2020 01:58PM

Heard today google are banning all international travel for all its staff from friday.

Naggdefy · 02-03-2020 01:58PM

seamus wrote: »

You're reading that entirely backwards.

People will panic about coronavirus because they're idiots. If you knew that by coming forward, your name would become public knowledge the next day, would you come forward?

Like fvck you would. You'd have all sorts of texts on your phone, funny looks from people for months. Your family getting hassle about it. Really. Of all things, matters of public health see people lose their bloody minds.

This is standard international practice; balancing the needs of public health against patient confidentiality. Every country's needs are different. We are a small country, which makes the disclosure of information different than in, for example, Wuhan.

What actual benefit would be served by naming the school publically? Zero. Therefore no need to name it.

People are idiots and you know it all with a David McCullough avatar

There are some insufferable know it alls on boards.

Steve F · 02-03-2020 01:59PM

Virginia Harsh Bug wrote: »

Yes, but if young kids get it, they can go home and infect their granny. That's the problem here.

As they do with seasonal flu?

MOR316 · 02-03-2020 02:00PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I'm building a pallet shack on the edge of town

My Commrade :cool:

BarryD2 · 02-03-2020 02:01PM

seamus wrote: »

You're reading that entirely backwards.

People will panic about coronavirus because they're idiots. If you knew that by coming forward, your name would become public knowledge the next day, would you come forward?

Like fvck you would. You'd have all sorts of texts on your phone, funny looks from people for months. Your family getting hassle about it. Really. Of all things, matters of public health see people lose their bloody minds.

This is standard international practice; balancing the needs of public health against patient confidentiality. Every country's needs are different. We are a small country, which makes the disclosure of information different than in, for example, Wuhan.

What actual benefit would be served by naming the school publically? Zero. Therefore no need to name it.

Whatever are you trying to say? Sure everyone knows it's a school in Glasnevin now.. And they should know, citizens do have a right to information that may affect the health of themselves, their relatives or neighbours. Peoples privacy is a secondary matter.

seamus · 02-03-2020 02:01PM

Virginia Harsh Bug wrote: »

In an age of social media, it's difficult to keep this information under wraps.

A Dublin school with 400 pupils can't close for 2 weeks without anyone noticing. That's 400 teenagers sitting at home self-isolating, with not much else to do besides text each other and post on the Internet. Plus, you have 800 parents to post about it as well.

Absolutely. But we expect this from our communities. Gossips and wind-up merchants, and bullsh1tters and panicky idiots.

We don't expect this from our Doctors. If the health service were to break from long-standing tradition and legal obligations to protect our privacy "because coronavirus", then the damage that would do to the public trust would last long past coronavirus.

dan786 · 02-03-2020 02:01PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234463788625276934?s=20

Candamir · 02-03-2020 02:01PM

Actually, I’ve changed my mind about shutting down the country and everyone just staying at home until this virus peters out. Should only take a few years. Or maybe more. But tbh, the lost productivity from trying to keep up with this thread should balance that out.

thebaz · 02-03-2020 02:01PM

seamus wrote: »

What actual benefit would be served by naming the school publically? Zero. Therefore no need to name it.

So true - in fact, had the HSE named the school , they would (rightly) have received a much worse lashback - Ther are actually good people in the HSE , good Doctors etc that know a lot more than 99.99% of online medical experts - cough cough

wakka12 · 02-03-2020 02:01PM

Steve F wrote: »

As they do with seasonal flu?

And..? Seasonal flu doesnt kill 15% of grannies

02-03-2020 02:02PM

Virginia Harsh Bug wrote: »

In an age of social media, it's difficult to keep this information under wraps.

A Dublin school with 400 pupils can't close for 2 weeks without anyone noticing. That's 400 teenagers sitting at home self-isolating, with not much else to do besides text each other and post on the Internet. Plus, you have 800 parents to post about it as well.

.

That is not the point. Of course it will be noticed. The HSE acknowledged that the identity of the school may be disclosed elsewhere.

The point they are trying to make (presumably) is that they will not disclose potentially identifying information if a someone who may be infected contacts them. It is the mesage to the a potential carrier who may be reluctant to come forward (for whatever reason).

Knowall1 · 02-03-2020 02:03PM

Calm down everyone. As soon as the weather warms up this virus will disappear. By the middle of May it will be long gone. Just like the flu. Put money on it .

fash · 02-03-2020 02:04PM

reg114 wrote: »

In 2020 more people in Ireland will die of the traditional flu, smoking related cancers, obesity, cardiovascular problems than will die of the coronavirus with a mortality rate of 3% .. Perspective and some logical rationale are needed rather than feeding the panicking social media beast.

It's only 3% so long as the Irish health care system has enough spare bed and ICU capacity to put the 15% of the 70-80% affected who need hospitalization and 5% who need ICU treatment.

If the Irish healthcare system doesn't have spare capacity, then those people and anyone else needing hospitalization for any other reason is pretty much screwed.

Fortunately for all of us, the entire health system crisis was entirely and spectacularly resolved last year - so I'm sure we will be fine.

Outlaw Pete · 02-03-2020 02:04PM

One of the HSE letters sent to the parents of the students at the school has been posted on Twitter and the school is named in it.

Funsterdelux · 02-03-2020 02:04PM

wakka12 wrote: »

And..? Seasonal flu doesnt kill 15% of grannies

Granny can also get the flu vaccine.

roosterman71 · 02-03-2020 02:04PM

Was in Dunnes and Aldi yesterday. Both stores were quieter than usual for a Sunday afternoon in my view. And the only thing that I looked for that wasn't there was hand sanitizer. No empty shelves, no lack of choice. From reading this thread I was expecting carnage in both places. Far from it

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP