Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

ArchXStanton · 02-03-2020 01:39PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Might take the plunge and do the prep later today.

Load up on heating oil, do a big shop, might get a crossbow. Fishing gear is an option too. Live beside a river for when the supply chain goes to pot.
Will upgrade crossbow to shotgun when the zombie apocolypse arrives

I'm building a pallet shack on the edge of town

Alun · 02-03-2020 01:39PM

Just back from a shop in Tesco and Lidl. In Tesco lots of empty shelves where Pasta, tinned tomatoes and pasta sauces, baked beans and rather oddly, flour should have been. Big empty fridge in Lidl where frozen pizzas should be and no pasta at all.

I think once this is all over we'll have another crisis on our hands with malnutrition caused by people eating nothing but pasta and tomato sauce for weeks on end.

No shortages of healthy stuff like fruit and veg mind you.

blanch152 · 02-03-2020 01:39PM

seamus wrote: »

Trust also erodes when people think their right to privacy will not be respected.

Imagine that you present today to your GP. He suspects coronavirus, you get tested and confirmed.

So they ring your workplace and tell them you've got coronavirus. Then they publish the name of your workplace and the fact that a case has been discovered there.

Only problem is, your workplace is a secretary and two solicitors. And you're the secretary. Think about the impact of that, and how many people now know that YOU have coronavirus. People you didn't tell, people you don't really know. Idiots who will take their business elsewhere, because infection, or something. People who will tell their kids to stop playing with your kids, who will give you weird looks in the supermarket in six months time.

Now imagine you're not the poor bastard who's been outed on the national news.

You're an onlooker, working in a similarly small business or similarly small town. You've been feeling a bit poorly.

Do you think the actions of the HSE are going to encourage you to come forward for testing? Or are you more likely to wait it out and see what happens?

I appreciate that the name of the school may not be immediately private information, but people are well able to put two & two together. And as we can see from this thread, are well able to panic - "I walked past that school 3 weeks ago! OMFFFGGGGG!!!!".

By not releasing the information publically, the HSE are maintaining a basic pillar of any health system - trust that your privacy is of the utmost importance unless there is a massively compelling reason to breach it.

This post should be stickied and made compulsory reading for all the idiots who want every piece of information made public.

KWAG2019 · 02-03-2020 01:41PM

https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Has anyone got the day to day stats for the Netherlands? I thought they only confirmed their first case very recently.

Ninthlife · 02-03-2020 01:41PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Crossbow that's on fire that fires machetes which are also on fire, dipped in poison?

Dipped in hand sanitizer

megabomberman · 02-03-2020 01:42PM

At least our terrible urban planning (sprawl) and basement league lack of public transport will help to offset our completely incompetent health administration.

gozunda · 02-03-2020 01:43PM

dan786 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234451905801261056?s=20

On that

There is an increasing number of countries with local or widespread local transmission around the world and in Europe that are exporting cases to unaffected areas.

No ****e sherlock. To-date the WHO in their wisdom have advised non infected countries to not shut down traffic from affected regions. Despite China being praised for travel restrictions and active surveillance at points of entry.

These exportations have caused transmission in previously unaffected areas. The control measures have up to now been able to only slow the further spread, but not to stop it.

Wow. I would never have thought that could happen! And hit me with a brick but what 'control measures????

Cases with mild symptoms are numerous and able to transmit the infection. Cases with mild symptoms are not always aware of their potential infectivity and have sought medical care, infecting healthcare workers.Previously unaffected areas are reporting cases with travel history to a country that did not appear to have widespread local transmission.

See above ...

The WHO increased their assessment of the risk of spread and the risk of impact of COVID-19 to very high at a global level.

And this is why the HSE here have their heads in the sand...

The crap is about to hit the fan imo.

deisedevil · 02-03-2020 01:43PM

Alun wrote: »

No shortages of healthy stuff like fruit and veg mind you.

The ould fresh fruit and veg wouldn't be the best option to see out the zombie apocolypse though, would it?

Iscreamkone · 02-03-2020 01:44PM

ixoy wrote: »

Or I'd be worried if people I cared about were old, or younger but with immuno issues and contracted the virus. People are worrying for their loved ones too, not just themselves.

There is no evidence that this is killing young people.
The people who die are old AND sick. This small subset needs to be protected.
The rest can jog on.

Graces7 · 02-03-2020 01:44PM

kathryn1985 wrote: »

Local nursing home in Wexford is banning visitors because of the coronavirus. Are other nursing homes or hospitals banning visitors because of this virus. Naturally enough I wouldn’t want to be a threat to my grandmother or anyone else, but is this overkill?

I seem to remember that visiting is banned/ limited in eg hospitals and nursing homes when eg the winter vomiting bug is active

No it is not "overkill"; with this virus you can be infectious with no symptoms. It is wise.

newbie18892 · 02-03-2020 01:44PM

Noticed the HSE website only lists China, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Iran, Japan and the following regions in Italy - Lombardy, Veneto, Emilia-Romagna or Piedmont, as areas where there is a spread of coronavirus. I was looking as I was at a conference in London there all last week and started feeling really under the weather yesterday and have been just awful today since i woke up. I don't want to assume the worst but I've never had a cough like this before. Just wonder if I rang the HSE helpline would they even give me the time of day given they haven't listed the UK on that list?

Naggdefy · 02-03-2020 01:45PM

gozunda wrote: »

On that

No ****e sherlock. To-date the WHO in their wisdom have advised non infected countries to not shut down traffic from affected regions.

Wow. I would never have thought that could happen! And hit me with a brick but what 'control measures????

See above ...

And this is why the HSE here have their heads in the sand...

The crap is about to hit the fan imo.

Globally high risk and Irish experts say we're low risk, exactly

ThePopehimself · 02-03-2020 01:45PM

This secrecy crap is getting a bit much.

No one is going to publish names. No one wants names. Who cares? Fact is, local people will find out the 'who it is' in no time and yeah, will probably get it wrong.

But this not even naming a school is more of the same mentality that has gotten Ireland into trouble in the past. There should be no secrets on this one. Tell people where and when.

Either you hide problems under a carpet, or you lift the carpet and you clean the floor. We should know that by now.

Loughc · 02-03-2020 01:46PM

Alun wrote: »

Just back from a shop in Tesco and Lidl. In Tesco lots of empty shelves where Pasta, tinned tomatoes and pasta sauces, baked beans and rather oddly, flour should have been. Big empty fridge in Lidl where frozen pizzas should be and no pasta at all.

I think once this is all over we'll have another crisis on our hands with malnutrition caused by people eating nothing but pasta and tomato sauce for weeks on end.

No shortages of healthy stuff like fruit and veg mind you.

Fresh fruit and veg won't last 2 weeks in isolation though would it. Tinned foods the way to go, love the stockpiles happening, people will be having pasta with their Sunday roasts at this rate.

02-03-2020 01:46PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I never said it was easy. I'd rather see peoples lives saved (even though some don't seem to care about older and sick people) than a few tourists inconvenienced and some lad in IBEC moaning.

So that is it? Just "IBEC moaning"?
You must be getting an income out of the public purse, someway or other, and are not concerned about losing out.

The more you close down the more the whole economy recedes.What about small traders, shops, cafes, small businesses? What about their staff? Who pays them? Who takes care of their bills? How long is this shutdown to last? Our national income is largely dependent on internationally trading firms. Do you think this shutdown will not impact on that?

I believe the taxi driver who drove the NI patient is now in quarentine - who compensates him? Multiply that by many thousands of times if the economy is slowed to canter - who pays then? And how much are you prepared to lose out from your income to compensate for the "public good"?
This could go on for quite a while - it looks like it will, shutdown or not.

02-03-2020 01:46PM

deisedevil wrote: »

The ould fresh fruit and veg wouldn't be the best option to see out the zombie apocolypse though, would it?

I made veggie dishes a few weeks ago that I froze. Layered Butternut squash, spinach, tomato sauce and cheese. Full of nutrients and it’s yummy too.

pc7 · 02-03-2020 01:47PM

I’m sure this has been posted but surprised Russia sharing figures https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1234443732939919361?s=21

Bob24 · 02-03-2020 01:47PM

Cuckoo7 wrote: »

If I were to wear such a mask I would also cover my eyes with some googles, otherwise pretty useless imo.

If I had to get on a train in Northern Italy or do grocery shopping in Wuhan I’d definitly wear a mask even in the absence of protective goggles. Of course it doesn’t make you immune to infection, but it is obvious it helps greatly.

I am also fairly sure that if we went into epidemic stage in Ireland most people in this thread saying masks are useless for the general public would quickly change their tune and become desperate for some masks (and I suspect some of them actually do have masks at home already).

Just look at what is happening in Asia.

Loughc · 02-03-2020 01:47PM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

This secrecy crap is getting a bit much.

No one is going to publish names. No one wants names. Who cares? Fact is, local people will find out the 'who it is' in no time and yeah, will probably get it wrong.

But this not even naming a school is more of the same mentality that has gotten Ireland into trouble in the past. There should be no secrets on this one. Tell people where and when.

Either you hide problems under a carpet, or you lift the carpet and you clean the floor. We should know that by now.

Fear is by naming and shaming people will suffer social media backlash for that person and it will stop other people coming forward if they suspect they have it, which in turn would help spread the infection.

KWAG2019 · 02-03-2020 01:48PM

There are variations worldwide in how public health officials are managing information on this. Here is Singapore:

https://www.gov.sg/article/covid-19-cases-in-singapore

Duke of Url · 02-03-2020 01:48PM

Im curious....

Is the Teenager who tested positive in Serious or Critical condition?

Is he quarantined in Hospital?

pc7 · 02-03-2020 01:49PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

There are variations worldwide in how public health officials are managing information on this. Here is Singapore:

https://www.gov.sg/article/covid-19-cases-in-singapore

That is some fine work, they seem to be keeping on top of it.

Loughc · 02-03-2020 01:49PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Is he quarantined in Hospital?

Yes he's confirmed to be in hospital.

Cupatae · 02-03-2020 01:49PM

1641 wrote: »

So that is it? Just "IBEC moaning"?
You must be getting an income out of the public purse, someway or other, and are not concerned about losing out.

The more you close down the more the whole economy recedes.What about small traders, shops, cafes, small businesses? What about their staff? Who pays them? Who takes care of their bills? How long is this shutdown to last? Our national income is largely dependent on internationally trading firms. Do you think this shutdown will not impact on that?

I believe the taxi driver who drove the NI patient is now in quarentine - who compensates him? Multiply that by many thousands of times if the economy is slowed to canter - who pays then? And how much are you prepared to lose out from your income to compensate for the "public good"?
This could go on for quite a while - it looks like it will, shutdown or not.

100% even just the cost and logistics of implementing such a scenario, not even taking the economy into account, food water and the basics for people would be challenging enough, then if people are ill.. where do they go? im not talking coronavirus but any other injury or illness, that wont just stop because of a virus outbreak.

Its easy say lockdown, its a whole different ball game actually doing it, ironically china has the benefit of being a dictatorship in this situation.

Duke of Url · 02-03-2020 01:50PM

Loughc wrote: »

Yes he's confirmed to be in hospital.

Is he in Serious or Critical condition?

CrankyHaus · 02-03-2020 01:50PM

blanch152 wrote: »

This post should be stickied and made compulsory reading for all the idiots who want every piece of information made public.

Had anybody asked for every piece of information to be made public?

"A school in the East of the country" is hopelessly vague and creates an information vacuum that people will fill from other, perhaps less credible, sources.

In any case the privacy invading scenario that poster described is in line with the current policy of contacting those who have been in contact with somebody diagnosed with coronavirus.

Drumpot · 02-03-2020 01:50PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

One thing I'm certain of...reeling in the years 2020 is going to be s cracking watch..

“On the day Liverpool lost their first premier league game of the season , Ireland’s first case of COVID19 was confirmed. What looked like being Liverpool’s first league title in three decades was ultimately doomed to failure as the football authorities had to cancel the season that could not finish due to the pandemic”. Every cloud has a potential silver lining.... :pac:

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 02-03-2020 01:50PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

There is no evidence that this is killing young people.
The people who die are old AND sick. This small subset needs to be protected.

Yes, but if young kids get it, they can go home and infect their granny. That's the problem here.

Yurt2 · 02-03-2020 01:51PM

1641 wrote: »

So that is it? Just "IBEC moaning"?
You must be getting an income out of the public purse, someway or other, and are not concerned about losing out.

The more you close down the more the whole economy recedes.What about small traders, shops, cafes, small businesses? What about their staff? Who pays them? Who takes care of their bills? How long is this shutdown to last? Our national income is largely dependent on internationally trading firms. Do you think this shutdown will not impact on that?

I believe the taxi driver who drove the NI patient is now in quarentine - who compensates him? Multiply that by many thousands of times if the economy is slowed to canter - who pays then? And how much are you prepared to lose out from your income to compensate for the "public good"?
This could go on for quite a while - it looks like it will, shutdown or not.

From an economic point of view, I think there's wisdom in the short sharp shutdown of all non-essential activities as happened in China and is being attempted in South Korea at the moment. A few weeks of economic pain to break the back of the spread and isolate as many cases in as short as possible a time and then try to get back to normal.

The half-ar*sed measures in Europe will likely prolong things.

*non-expert opinion.

Unearthly · 02-03-2020 01:51PM

EU high risk, Ireland low risk.

Makes sense

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP