Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

Drumpot · 01-03-2020 02:03PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

I didn't even quote you, nobody got attacked

And you said it was a hobby for him. Page 1 of the thread was to be careful about sources

My apologies if I misinterpreted your intentions on that post....

Xertz · 01-03-2020 02:03PM

I just think it’s worth bearing in mind that USA tends to be unable to do anything without mass hysteria these days and the fact that you’ve got a guy in the White House that really isn’t very credible isn’t helping either.

If you look at American coverage a lot of quite normally rational people are concluding that they can’t trust the federal administration. You’ve a guy leading the response who might try to pray the virus away rather than doing anything reasonable and Trump may just chose not to believe data or jump to irrational conspiracy theories if they don’t suit a political agenda or threaten the stock market.

If you add that to their media outlets that tend to go into hype, hype, hype mode, then add social media you can start to see why there are queues at Costco.

You’re looking at the first serious crisis in a long time and under probably the worst possible administration to calmly handle it.

Also in certain parts of the USA you get the distinct impression that if there’s a perception that the police are occupied or unavailable for some reason that things very quickly turn to looting. That’s a mixture of the history of heavy handed policing and huge levels of hardcore inequalities in certain places.

If you contrast that to Ireland I suspect in a crisis you’d largely see calm cooperation and very little reactions like that. It’s not like our society depends on heavy policing. I mean the Gardaí aren’t even generally armed and certainly aren’t scary or oppressive. So society tends to just function a lot more cohesively.

Anyway I would just say don’t over absorb US panic on this. It’s a serious situation but we’ll handle it, if we just remain rational about it.

The authorities here also need to be transparent and open about it. Patronising comments or information vacuums are dangerous as they leave space for theories that make little sense.

01-03-2020 02:05PM

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Re Pharmacies -
Pharmacies cant operate or open unless there is a qualified Pharmacist on the premises, but sure thats what locums are for the locum business here is booming they get paid a fortune I have heard of them being paid 60 an hour on a Sunday so say the owner can have a day off (yes i work in that sector). So if someone is struck out there will be someone to open its rare you would only have one pharmacist per shop they usually rotate. I don't think this is going to be a problem.

Potentially could be a problem. The reason locum rates are so high is due to high demand-short supply of pharmacists. I don't envision it at the moment but it wouldn't take a huge amount of pharmacists to become sick to lead to pharmacy closures.

IAMAMORON · 01-03-2020 02:06PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Much of that is incorrect. It is simply wrong to post stuff like that as if it were good advice.

Which parts are incorrect please? It would be nice to know?

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 02:07PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

"What exactly have people got agaisnt putting some provisions aside?"

Budget? Does it occur to people that a lot of folk barely have enough money to cover their weekly shop...

I am on a small pension but manage and to set aside a little extra each week. Even a tin of beans or a packet of crackers; under 20 cents

Soon mounts up

BanditLuke · 01-03-2020 02:07PM

Xertz wrote: »

I just think it’s worth bearing in mind that USA tends to be unable to do anything without mass hysteria these days and the fact that you’ve got a guy in the White House that really isn’t very credible isn’t helping either.

If you look at American coverage a lot of quite normally rational people are concluding that they can’t trust the federal administration. You’ve a guy leading the response who might try to pray the virus away rather than doing anything reasonable and Trump may just chose not to believe data or jump to irrational conspiracy theories if they don’t suit a political agenda or threaten the stock market.

If you add that to their media outlets that tend to go into hype, hype, hype mode, then add social media you can start to see why there are queues at Costco.

You’re looking at the first serious crisis in a long time and under probably the worst possible administration to calmly handle it.

Also in certain parts of the USA you get the distinct impression that if there’s a perception that the police are occupied or unavailable for some reason that things very quickly turn to looting. That’s a mixture of the history of heavy handed policing and huge levels of hardcore inequalities in certain places.

If you contrast that to Ireland I suspect in a crisis you’d largely see calm cooperation and very little reactions like that. It’s not like our society depends on heavy policing. I mean the Gardaí aren’t even generally armed and certainly aren’t scary or oppressive. So society tends to just function a lot more cohesively.

Anyway I would just say don’t over absorb US panic on this. It’s a serious situation but we’ll handle it.

Whilst I agree with your view on the situation in the US let's not fool ourselves that we will "handle it" We can't even handle the current workload let's be real.

Drumpot · 01-03-2020 02:07PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Could very well be but a runny nose is a symptom of covid-19, where are you getting this 4% figure?

I think the 4% figure came from this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

If I remember right he said that only 4% of the cases had a Runny nose as a symptom. (Maybe somebody else confirm this as I’ve watched and read a lot since then!!!)

lalababa · 01-03-2020 02:11PM

There was a nasty flu/virus/chest infection thingy over the Christmas and January. It was in Australia some months before and there were warnings that it would go around the world. Do ye remember that the hospital s were restricting visitors and some were fully restricted.
Symptoms were a dry cough and bad sweats./ Cold to hot to cold.
It was reported in mid/late January that 20 had died from it in Ireland.
Does anyone remember this , it was only last month.....

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 02:12PM

pc7 wrote: »

Honestly you should have called him out on it (in the nicest possible way)!we need to curb this behavior.

Wear a mask pulled down and very ostentatiously stand in front of him and pull it up...

We were taught at primary school to recite.. "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases; trap the germs in your handkerchief!

And in those far off days of no paper tissues or soft toilet roll we were issued with a rag ( lovely and soft from an old sheet) which was put on the fire when it was... full .

Ah those days! Sorry! Feeling very nostalgic these days!

Xertz · 01-03-2020 02:13PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Whilst I agree with your view on the situation in the US let's not fool ourselves that we will "handle it" We can't even handle the current workload let's be real.

We’ll handle it with what resources are there. I just think we’re seeing a hell of a lot of Armageddon stuff. I’m not saying it’s going to be pleasant but at the same time it’s a crisis where everyone needs to just pull together and get on with it.

The one thing it does show though is you can’t just fail to put adequate capacity into health systems for decades and expect them to be able to respond to stuff like this. We aren’t taking those systems seriously and the belt and braces approach to it that’s been feature for decades through multiple parties will be a big issue.

That’s a consequences of political choices and also a legacy of relative poverty before the 1990s, so the systems are genuinely under scaled and really not designed at all.

We are where we are though and I would suspect if it does become a pandemic, you’re just going to see a lot of stuff having to be handled by self isolation and home care.

At this stage regretting 50+ years of poor health policies is really not going to achieve much.

However, looking objectively at what we do have available things like our ICU beds per capita numbers aren’t that far out of line with a lot of other EU countries. No system has vast numbers or ICU beds on stand by as it simply wouldn’t make any sense as they’d have no purpose.

If nothing else though, this should be a lesson in why we need to reform health and why we can’t just sit on our hands for another 50 years, letting the same broken systems just stumble on.

It’s also fairly obvious why you need strong resources in primary care and community health, not just always focusing on expanding hospitals.

Health systems are vital infrastructure and we’re about to see why.

I still think though we all are on the same page on this and need to be cohesive about it and handle it and I think we will do just that.

The debates about the HSE here don’t actually differ that much. If you look across the political spectrum everyone wants to fix it and everyone seems to point to wanting full universal health systems but it’s more just about the nuances of how heavily they’ll push to get there.

I don’t think there’s anything remotely like the US debates about social healthcare. In Ireland it’s more about speed of transformation.

I just don’t think Ireland has the levels of divide and chaos the US has and I genuinely think at a social level we can handle a crisis without falling to bits.

creditcarder · 01-03-2020 02:14PM

lalababa wrote: »

There was a nasty flu/virus/chest infection thingy over the Christmas and January. It was in Australia some months before and there were warnings that it would go around the world. Do ye remember that the hospital s were restricting visitors and some were fully restricted.
Symptoms were a dry cough and bad sweats./ Cold to hot to cold.
It was reported in mid/late January that 20 had died from it in Ireland.
Does anyone remember this , it was only last month.....

On a sidenote, I am shocked at how easily people are led. I mean alot of the vacation destinations (thailand etc) are quite empty.

megabomberman · 01-03-2020 02:18PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Whilst I agree with your view on the situation in the US let's not fool ourselves that we will "handle it" We can't even handle the current workload let's be real.

I think the US will eat themselves alive. It will take a long time to get such a conspiracy crazed, anti authoritarian, polarised society to acknowledge the virus, then pull in the same direction. Couple that with a completely dysfunctional healthcare and welfare system and you have a recipe for disaster. I hope I'm wrong.

Stewball · 01-03-2020 02:19PM

In Italy today Atalanta are playing away in Lecce.
Atalanta fans were allowed travel from the north to the south of Italy.
Crazy.
https://twitter.com/AtalantaNewsUK/status/1234104935098339328

Professor Moriarty · 01-03-2020 02:21PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Which parts are incorrect please? It would be nice to know?

Many, but the most important piece of misinformation is that transmission is primarily "by touching things in public". The primary method of transmission is via droplets when in close proximity to an infected person.

khalessi · 01-03-2020 02:21PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Three posts in the last 10 pages about someone who knows a nurse who knows something

When did nurses become experts?

The youtube guy Dr John isn't even a doctor.

Great comment. Love it! Do you know death rates go up in July when med students go on wards. Do you know who help train them and set them on the straight and narrow? Do you know who deals face to face with patients on a daily /hourly basis?doctors diagnose and prescribe nurses treat, they're arent handmaidens.

NURSES

Legally nurses cant diagnose but it doesn't stop people asking me what they think this lump, spot, or infection is, when they hear my occupation. Nowadays I say motorbike mechanic.

Nurses working day to day in a specialist area would have a good knowledge on their specialist area. Their job has so been expanded to include roles once only in the remit of doctors, these nurses are nurse practitioners and that role is expanding all the time. The interested ones do course to progress knowledge and some do doctorates or Phd's such as John Campbell who actually has more right to the term doctor then a medical doctor, historically speaking. But sure details irrelevant to here.

is_that_so · 01-03-2020 02:22PM

creditcarder wrote: »

On a sidenote, I am shocked at how easily people are led. I mean alot of the vacation destinations (thailand etc) are quite empty.

That's understandable, especially if there are loved ones in the equation. Comes under unnecessary journeys and a risk, however remote, of being quarantined in a foreign country.

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 02:25PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Khalessi, I was speaking with my pharmacist last week and he was worried with the amount of health professionals that seem to be dieing in China from This.

I was saying, in my layman interpretation of that fact, that surely that was most likely down to exhaustion from a critically stretched scenario? Normal flu season would , I presume, not theoretically have a potential mass influx of patients and stretch the services as much as this might.

Doctors and pharmacists may get this which stretches this system further. My own pharmacist says he has to shut down the shop if he can’t come in, so where do people go for meds then?

Listen , I’m no medical expert so I appreciate I’m speaking from a general interest (as opposed to professional informed) POV, but I would imagine the compounded knock on variables of widespread infections could really exhaust our healthcare workers , thus make them more vulnerable. One of the first medical videos I watched weeks ago (medcram website) suggested that sleep was one of the best ways to strengthen your immunity.

I get my OTC supplies by post; there are several online pharmacies now and they are very well organised. Next day delivery!

Will be getting a month's supply of my prescription meds is week at the usual time frame. i am sure drs will facilitate early or extra prescription supplies if needed. Please stop worrying so much!

VayNiice · 01-03-2020 02:25PM

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse.

I've been in SE Asia for the past two months with work, mainly in vietnam and life is going on more or less as normal. People are wearing masks, restaurants are making you use hand sanitiser as you go in etc. But people aren't panicking. Theres no shortage of hand sanitisers or masks around.

To be honest, reading boards has me more nervous than anything I've seen while in Asia.

all about the mane · 01-03-2020 02:27PM

VayNiice wrote: »

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse.

I've been in SE Asia for the past two months with work, mainly in vietnam and life is going on more or less as normal. People are wearing masks, restaurants are making you use hand sanitiser as you go in etc. But people aren't panicking. Theres no shortage of hand sanitisers or masks around.

To be honest, reading boards has me more nervous than anything I've seen while in Asia.

Be careful. Some around here would insist on you wearing a bell...

DancingSpaniel · 01-03-2020 02:27PM

Something to bear in mind: there's a virus doing the rounds in the US. Over 20 million people infected, 250,000 hospitalized and 14,000 dead. If it were Covid-19, there would be utter panic. But's it's "just" the seasonal flu doing its usual rounds, so no one is worried.

Carol25 · 01-03-2020 02:27PM

Drumpot wrote: »

This is a great question that needs to be addressed. Hopefully most workers with children have partners who can stay at home to mind them. For the ones that don’t one would hope they have friends or family who can help out.

Schools are probably one of the worst places for the virus to spread.

I was saying to my wife yesterday. We have 3 children in three different classes, 2 different schools. When you factor in 25+ students a class and then of course the yard exposure , theoretically one child can be exposed to hundreds of people in a day (if we presume one family getting virus probably means the whole family will get it)z

I’m concerned about the spread in schools. The dose before Christmas infected everyone in the local school at one stage or another. In a lot of schools, there is no hot water at all. Classes are over crowded and now hand washes are out of stock. The spread if schools become breeding grounds would be enormous...

01-03-2020 02:29PM

khalessi wrote: »

Great comment. Love it! Do you know death rates go up in July when med students go on wards. Do you know who help train them and set them on the straight and narrow? Do you know who deals face to face with patients on a daily /hourly basis?doctors diagnose and prescribe nurses treat, they're arent handmaidens.

NURSES

Legally nurses cant diagnose but it doesn't stop people asking me what they think this lump, spot, or infection is, when they hear my occupation. Nowadays I say motorbike mechanic.

Nurses working day to day in a specialist area would have a good knowledge on their specialist area. Their job has so been expanded to include roles once only in the remit of doctors, these nurses are nurse practitioners and that role is expanding all the time. The interested ones do course to progress knowledge and some do doctorates or Phd's such as John Campbell who actually has more right to the term doctor then a medical doctor, historically speaking. But sure details irrelevant to here.

Nurses are fundamental to the HSE. Nurses in Ireland can work as ANPs which means they can review treatment, prescribe, order bloods and tests etc.

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 02:29PM

khalessi wrote: »

Great comment. Love it! Do you know death rates go up in July when med students go on wards. Do you know who help train them and set them on the straight and narrow? Do you know who deals face to face with patients on a daily /hourly basis?doctors diagnose and prescribe nurses treat, they're arent handmaidens.

NURSES

Legally nurses cant diagnose but it doesn't stop people asking me what they think this lump, spot, or infection is, when they hear my occupation. Nowadays I say motorbike mechanic.

Nurses working day to day in a specialist area would have a good knowledge on their specialist area. Their job has so been expanded to include roles once only in the remit of doctors, these nurses are nurse practitioners and that role is expanding all the time. The interested ones do course to progress knowledge and some do doctorates or Phd's such as John Campbell who actually has more right to the term doctor then a medical doctor, historically speaking. But sure details irrelevant to here.

You don't have the Nurse Practitioner scheme here? In the UK an NP can do a lot of basic treatments etc and prescribe a limited range of meds. The island where I used to live has an NP resident there instead of a doctor.

I would trust a nurse more than a dr; same with vet v vet nurse.

Xertz · 01-03-2020 02:29PM

VayNiice wrote: »

Threads like this are doing more harm than good. This panic and hysteria is so typical of Ireland. I really think some people are enjoying it. You're not going to be told to stay indoors for a month, there's no need to be bulk buying. It's not the apocalypse..

To be quite honest I don’t think panic and hysteria are typical of Ireland. Quite the opposite: we tend to go into “ah it’ll be grand” mode and sarcastic complacency.

I wouldn’t rate Ireland’s level of panic on an online forum thread.

I’ve seen zero evidence of panic buying, one person on a bus was wearing a mask. People are still going out. The streets and shops are still booming away with normal shopping. People are going to restaurants, pubs, cinemas etc etc ...

We basically cancelled one rugby match with fans likely to be travelling from a high risk area and plenty of people thought that was a vast over reaction.

So, as for our tendency toward hysteria?! Seems quite the opposite to me.

wylo · 01-03-2020 02:30PM

DancingSpaniel wrote: »

Something to bear in mind: there's a virus doing the rounds in the US. Over 20 million people infected, 250,000 hospitalized and 14,000 dead. If it were Covid-19, there would be utter panic. But's it's "just" the seasonal flu doing its usual rounds, so no one is worried.

Yes cause if it was covid 19 there'd be now 400,000 dead

01-03-2020 02:30PM

khalessi wrote: »

Great comment. Love it! Do you know death rates go up in July when med students go on wards. Do you know who help train them and set them on the straight and narrow? Do you know who deals face to face with patients on a daily /hourly basis?doctors diagnose and prescribe nurses treat, they're arent handmaidens.

NURSES

Legally nurses cant diagnose and prescribe, but it doesn't stop people asking me what they think this lump, spot, or infection is, when they hear my occupation. Nowadays I say motorbike mechanic.

Nurses working day to day in a specialist area would have a good knowledge on their specialist area. Their job has so been expanded to include roles once only in the remit of doctors, these nurses are nurse practitioners and that role is expanding all the time. The interested ones do course to progress knowledge and some do doctorates or Phd's such as John Campbell who actually has more right to the term doctor then a medical doctor, historically speaking. But sure details irrelevant to here.

Legally, certain Nurse Consultants, at least in UK, do diagnose and prescribe. You see it on the Channel 4 Series 24 Hours in A&E, as well as others. I saw a documentary series featuring a Cardiac Nurse Consultant who managed a patient entirely himself, along with his team. The patient entered with a very serious cardiac arrhythmia and he administered drugs he himself had prescribed, then when they didn’t work as desired he administered a sedative and shocked the heart into correct rhythm. As a nurse he was a specialist in his area, but far knowledgeable In his area than most general doctors.

Strazdas · 01-03-2020 02:31PM

There was a HSE expert on the News at One a few minutes ago. He says he sees no reason for Irish people not to go about their daily business or for the authorities to cancel any flights into the country.

As things currently stand, the chances of an Irish person contracting the virus in Ireland are absolutely miniscule. He says that could change at some point in future but we are nowhere near that stage (and might never be).

Donald Trump · 01-03-2020 02:31PM

DancingSpaniel wrote: »

Something to bear in mind: there's a virus doing the rounds in the US. Over 20 million people infected, 250,000 hospitalized and 14,000 dead. If it were Covid-19, there would be utter panic. But's it's "just" the seasonal flu doing its usual rounds, so no one is worried.

You are absolutely correct. The flu kills so many people in comparison that we can forget about other viruses altogether.*

No need for any more condoms so! ........

(*may contain sarcasm)

odyssey06 · 01-03-2020 02:32PM

DancingSpaniel wrote: »

Something to bear in mind: there's a virus doing the rounds in the US. Over 20 million people infected, 250,000 hospitalized and 14,000 dead. If it were Covid-19, there would be utter panic. But's it's "just" the seasonal flu doing its usual rounds, so no one is worried.

Our health services and at risk people worry about a bad flu season, and a bad flu season usually coincides with a strain which wasn't in the vaccine.

Now imagine we have two seasonal viruses to deal with, one that is a new and relatively unknown quantity, which is spreading and for which we have no vaccine or prior immunities.

Given that the seasonal flu stretches health services to capacity, you can see why it's totally understandable to be very concerned about a new virus which is even more lethal AND for which there is no vaccine.

Graces7 · 01-03-2020 02:33PM

Strazdas wrote: »

There was a HSE expert on the News at One a few minutes ago. He says he sees no reason for Irish people not to go about their daily business or for the authorities to cancel any flights into the country.

As things currently stand, the chances of an Irish person contracting the virus in Ireland are absolutely miniscule. He says that could change at some point in future but we are nowhere near that stage (and might never be).

Sounds,, idyllic.

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Comments

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP