Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Mr.Wemmick

Even if you are on a tight budget, freezing left over chicken bones after a Sunday dinner to make a soup at a later date with vegetables is very nutritious, especially if someone in the house is ill or recovering. If you can't leave the house something like full sugar jelly with carnation cream from a can is a cheap winner for kids, grate some chocolate on top.

There are lots you can do to store food and be economical. We could learn a lot from our parents and grandparents who knew how to make food stretch while keeping it all nutritious. Any left over veg cooked, mash and freeze use in soup. Some fruits can be frozen too. Times like this the chest freezer is a godsend.

I have bought a lot of semi-baked bread baguette type rolls that have a very long sell by date as well as cans of food, sardines, tuna, lucozade, 7up, water etc.

khalessi

Drumpot wrote: »

Khalessi, I was speaking with my pharmacist last week and he was worried with the amount of health professionals that seem to be dieing in China from This.

I was saying, in my layman interpretation of that fact, that surely that was most likely down to exhaustion from a critically stretched scenario? Normal flu season would , I presume, not theoretically have a potential mass influx of patients and stretch the services as much as this might.

Doctors and pharmacists may get this which stretches this system further. My own pharmacist says he has to shut down the shop if he can’t come in, so where do people go for meds then?

Listen , I’m no medical expert so I appreciate I’m speaking from a general interest (as opposed to professional informed) POV, but I would imagine the compounded knock on variables of widespread infections could really exhaust our healthcare workers , thus make them more vulnerable. One of the first medical videos I watched weeks ago (medcram website) suggested that sleep was one of the best ways to strengthen your immunity.

Drumpot, I was replying to Noodlers comment which I felt was daft. No one should be dying and the fact that frontline are through lowered immune systems due to exhaustion tells us how overrun the hospitals are and how serious this could be if we dont get a grip on it.

I've worked in various Dublin hospitals over the years and honestly dont think we would cope very well trying to isolate patients. I
feel as a nurse we are on the cusp of a major outbreak. Looking at the graph from Korea especially patient 31, I would have no problem if schools were closed down for a while to help prevent/slow down spread, lessen the bell curve, something john Campbell also mentioned in one of his videos that could help.

Drumpot

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

the same could go for Gps there are a lot less of them than Pharmacies and pharmacists in this country

Agreed.

There is no need to panic on this, I’m just using it as an example of why I think getting longer meds now and maybe meeting your GP now to review your health and meds (with regards to corona) in case things do get bad. That’s all. Might not get that bad.

GM228

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

any idea if this is real ?

https://twitter.com/DanielMoloney20/status/1234082134400393216?s=20

Earlier there was a screenshot of RTE saying Clondalkin on Twitter, someone here then said they said the other day it was a boy in Wicklow, and now RTE says Wicklow, the first picture was supposed to be up 4 hours and yet only one person in the land of social media picked up on it, yea right - they are obviously fake images.

Tootsie_1

Drumpot wrote: »

Agreed.

Listen , there’s no need to panic on this, I’m just using it as an example of why I think getting longer meds now and maybe meeting your GP now to review your health and meds (with regards to corona) in case things do get bad. That’s all. Might not get that bad.

No getting longer Meds thats how shortages happen there is already a huge problem with shortages around the world even before corona virus the last thing that is needed is people stock piling tablets.

Drumpot

khalessi wrote: »

Drumpot, I was replying to Noodlers comment which I felt was daft. No one should be dying and the fact that frontline are through lowered immune systems due to exhaustion tells us how overrun the hospitals are and how serious this could be if we dont get a grip on it.

I've worked in various Dublin hospitals over the years and honestly dont think we would cope very well trying to isolate patients. I
feel as a nurse we are on the cusp of a major outbreak. Looking at the graph from Korea especially patient 31, I would have no problem if schools were closed down for a while to help prevent/slow down spread, lessen the bell curve, something john Campbell also mentioned in one of his videos that could help.

Totally agree, schools should close immediately and I think all non essential work should be recommended to close. This potentially slows down spread and gives our health services time to treat patients on a more balanced gradient.

If I’m not talking with you, best of luck over the next few weeks/months and thank you in advance.

Quantum Erasure

If you're west of the shannon, youre safe...

Oops69

blade1 wrote: »

Is it too late to buy a freezer or are they all gone as well?

no point anyway when the electricity supply breaks down, stick to the tinned goods

Professor Moriarty

Drumpot wrote: »

Totally agree, schools should close immediately and I think all non essential work should be recommended to close. This potentially slows down spread and gives our health services time to treat patients on a more balanced gradient.

If I’m not talking with you, best of luck over the next few weeks/months and thank you in advance.

Who will mind the healthcare workers' kids?

Rob A. Bank

Here soon perhaps ?

South Korea churches halt services as cases soar

The Catholic Church - one of the main religious communities in the country - has suspended Masses in all its 1,734 parishes until 7 March.

The Church had never taken such a step in 236 years of presence in South Korea.

The country's Buddhist organisations cancelled events earlier this week. Major protestant churches are holding Sunday services online...

On Sunday officials said nearly 9,000 followers of the Daegu-based Shincheonji Church were showing signs of the coronavirus and are being tested.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51695649?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cyz0z8w0ydwt/coronavirus-outbreak&link_location=live-reporting-story

Drumpot

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

If you're west of the shannon, youre safe...

Not from the weather....

Duke of Url

Oops69 wrote: »

no point anyway when the electricity supply breaks down, stick to the tinned goods

And heat up over a candle

mikemac2

Three posts in the last 10 pages about someone who knows a nurse who knows something

When did nurses become experts?

The youtube guy Dr John isn't even a doctor.

Professor Moriarty

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Here soon perhaps ?

South Korea churches halt services as cases soar

If the virus eliminates religion then it can't be all bad.

Oops69

Duke of Url wrote: »

And heat up over a candle

ah no , the clever ones like me have a camping gas stove on standby.

blade1

Oops69 wrote: »

no point anyway when the electricity supply breaks down, stick to the tinned goods

Ah Jesus!!
Euthanasia it's looking like so.!

Oops69

blade1 wrote: »

Ah Jesus!!
Euthanasia it's looking like so.!

there's a shortage on the drugs for that so it'll have to be a bullet , if one can be found.

Professor Moriarty

mikemac2 wrote: »

Three posts in the last 10 pages about someone who knows a nurse who knows something

When did nurses become experts?

The youtube guy Dr John isn't even a doctor.

I'd be listening most intently to a person who has a PhD in epidemiology.

Drumpot

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Who will mind the healthcare workers' kids?

This is a great question that needs to be addressed. Hopefully most workers with children have partners who can stay at home to mind them. For the ones that don’t one would hope they have friends or family who can help out.

Schools are probably one of the worst places for the virus to spread.

I was saying to my wife yesterday. We have 3 children in three different classes, 2 different schools. When you factor in 25+ students a class and then of course the yard exposure , theoretically one child can be exposed to hundreds of people in a day (if we presume one family getting virus probably means the whole family will get it)z

gmisk

Drumpot wrote: »

He’s actually a trained nurse , says and has been training them for 27 years. He’s done some healthcare work overseas. He says he also did science degrees as he’s always been interested in biological science. Seems like this is an area he has personally had an interest for a long time, so perhaps it’s as much a hobby as anything else.

He has an academic doctorate (is that what it’s called) so he’s not technically a doctor. Suppose you could argue it’s a big misleading calling it “Dr John”, but it’s still a very good source for information. Put simply, if a nurse , who has worked in a hospital, started giving me some advice I’d listen.

Ah ok thanks for clearing that up.
The Dr thing is a tad misleading then imo

Drumpot

mikemac2 wrote: »

Three posts in the last 10 pages about someone who knows a nurse who knows something

When did nurses become experts?

The youtube guy Dr John isn't even a doctor.

Address or correct the information, it’s pathetic to attack the poster just because you can’t engage on the topic.

I don’t pretend to be an authority on any of this and am just sharing what I have heard or read. People are welcome to correct me.

Professor Moriarty

Drumpot wrote: »

This is a great question that needs to be addressed. Hopefully most workers with children have partners who can stay at home to mind them. For the ones that don’t one would hope they have friends or family who can help out.

Schools are probably one of the worst places for the virus to spread.

I was saying to my wife yesterday. We have 3 children in three different classes, 2 different schools. When you factor in 25+ students a class and then of course the yard exposure , theoretically one child can be exposed to hundreds of people in a day (if we presume one family getting virus probably means the whole family will get it)z

I can't think of many better places for the coronavirus to spread freely. Unfortunately.

creditcarder

Kerry25x wrote: »

So scary to see the number of doctors dying. I don't know the figures but have seen a good few cases now and they're often in their 30's and 40's.

7 have died in China where the hospitals can be hit or miss, and you better not leak information

kalkat2002

Children are by far less affected age frame ... Older people are the ones to be vigilant

Sorry but virus was here from long time ago or not one noticed a peak of flu sick people

Dont panic and keep your normal life

noodler

khalessi wrote: »

Drumpot, I was replying to Noodlers comment which I felt was daft. No one should be dying and the fact that frontline are through lowered immune systems due to exhaustion tells us how overrun the hospitals are and how serious this could be if we dont get a grip on it.

I've worked in various Dublin hospitals over the years and honestly dont think we would cope very well trying to isolate patients. I
feel as a nurse we are on the cusp of a major outbreak. Looking at the graph from Korea especially patient 31, I would have no problem if schools were closed down for a while to help prevent/slow down spread, lessen the bell curve, something john Campbell also mentioned in one of his videos that could help.

And in response again, you wrote a strawman response saying nobody "should" die.

Nobody would disagree with that sentiment.

Quite how it relates to a post urging the death tolls in China to be viewed in the context of their population is beyond me.

Nonetheless, you jumped on it to make an unrelated point.

But sure everyone agrees no healthcare professional should ever die.

Tootsie_1

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

the same could go for Gps there are a lot less of them than Pharmacies and pharmacists in this country

This is correct. There is about 6500 pharmacists in Ireland but only 2500 GPs.

IAMAMORON

GooglePlus wrote: »

Could very well be but a runny nose is a symptom of covid-19, where are you getting this 4% figure?

I heard the opposite, this message is doing the rounds on Wassap.



My classmate's nephew, graduated with a master's degree, and works in Shenzhen Hospital. He is being transferred to study *Wuhan pneumonia virus.* He just called me and told me to tell my friends: If you have a runny nose and sputum when you have a cold, you cannot be a new type of coronavirus pneumonia, because *coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough without runny nose*. This is the simplest way to identify. Please tell your friends that if you know more about medical knowledge, you will have more *awareness of identification and prevention.*

This time, the *Wuhan virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees*.

Therefore, *drink more hot water.* You can tell your friends and relatives to drink more hot water to prevent it. *Go under the Sun*. It has been cold recently, and drinking hot water is also very comfortable. It is not a cure and is good for the body. *Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses*. Try not to drink ice, remember!

Doctor's advice about coronavirus:

1. It is *pretty large in size* (cell is about 400-500nm diameter), so *any normal mask (not just the N95 feature) should be able to filter it out*. However, when someone who's infected sneezes in front of you, it will take a great 3 meters (about 10 feet) before it drops to the ground and is *no longer airborne*.

2. When the virus drops *on metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours.*
So remember if you come in contact with any metal surface, *wash your hands with soap thoroughly.*

3. The virus can remain active *on fabric for 6-12 hours*.
Normal *laundry detergent should kill the virus*.
For winter clothing that does not require daily washing, you can *put it out under the sun to kill the virus.*


About the *symptoms of the pneumonia caused by Coronavirus*:

1. It will *first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days*

2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and *enter the lungs, causing pneumonia*. This process will *take 5 to 6 days*.

3. With pneumonia, comes *high fever and difficulty in breathing*. The *nasal congestion* is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go *seek immediate medical attention* if you feel like this.

About *prevention*:

1. The most common way of getting infected is *by touching things in public*, so *you must wash your hands frequently*. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or pick your nose unwittingly).

2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, *you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle* to eliminate or minimize the germs *while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs).*

Folks, *take extra care and drink plenty of water.*

Rob A. Bank

GM228 wrote: »

Earlier there was a screenshot of RTE saying Clondalkin on Twitter, someone here then said they said the other day it was a boy in Wicklow, and now RTE says Wicklow, the first picture was supposed to be up 4 hours and yet only one person in the land of social media picked up on it, yea right - they are obviously fake images.

All of this crap could be avoided if the HSE had simply said where in the 'East of the country' the infection occurred.

Similarly with their handling of the first NI patient... The refusal to say when and how she traveled from Dublin Airport to Belfast increased anxiety of EVERYONE who took that route in the previous 2 weeks on all types of public transport.

Also the HSE claimed to have traced everyone she was in significant contact with on her journey… a claim I find very hard to believe, without the use of Chinese style facial recognition cameras on all our buses and trains.

Truth and transparency is the only way to go

mikemac2

Drumpot wrote: »

it’s pathetic to attack the poster

I didn't even quote you, nobody got attacked

And you said it was a hobby for him. Page 1 of the thread was to be careful about sources

Professor Moriarty

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I heard the opposite, this message is doing the rounds on Wassap.



My classmate's nephew, graduated with a master's degree, and works in Shenzhen Hospital. He is being transferred to study *Wuhan pneumonia virus.* He just called me and told me to tell my friends: If you have a runny nose and sputum when you have a cold, you cannot be a new type of coronavirus pneumonia, because *coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough without runny nose*. This is the simplest way to identify. Please tell your friends that if you know more about medical knowledge, you will have more *awareness of identification and prevention.*

This time, the *Wuhan virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees*.

Therefore, *drink more hot water.* You can tell your friends and relatives to drink more hot water to prevent it. *Go under the Sun*. It has been cold recently, and drinking hot water is also very comfortable. It is not a cure and is good for the body. *Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses*. Try not to drink ice, remember!

Doctor's advice about coronavirus:

1. It is *pretty large in size* (cell is about 400-500nm diameter), so *any normal mask (not just the N95 feature) should be able to filter it out*. However, when someone who's infected sneezes in front of you, it will take a great 3 meters (about 10 feet) before it drops to the ground and is *no longer airborne*.

2. When the virus drops *on metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours.*
So remember if you come in contact with any metal surface, *wash your hands with soap thoroughly.*

3. The virus can remain active *on fabric for 6-12 hours*.
Normal *laundry detergent should kill the virus*.
For winter clothing that does not require daily washing, you can *put it out under the sun to kill the virus.*


About the *symptoms of the pneumonia caused by Coronavirus*:

1. It will *first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days*

2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and *enter the lungs, causing pneumonia*. This process will *take 5 to 6 days*.

3. With pneumonia, comes *high fever and difficulty in breathing*. The *nasal congestion* is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go *seek immediate medical attention* if you feel like this.

About *prevention*:

1. The most common way of getting infected is *by touching things in public*, so *you must wash your hands frequently*. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or pick your nose unwittingly).

2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, *you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle* to eliminate or minimize the germs *while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs).*

Folks, *take extra care and drink plenty of water.*

Much of that is incorrect. It is simply wrong to post stuff like that as if it were good advice.