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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    "What exactly have people got agaisnt putting some provisions aside?"

    Budget? Does it occur to people that a lot of folk barely have enough money to cover their weekly shop...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    Drumpot wrote: »

    I think Panic also manifests itself as angry denial in some people. Stop calling people hysterical because you don’t think this is going to get serious. People who think they know how this is going to play out have absolutely no idea what’s gonna happen, anymore then any of us trying to reduce the potential risk.

    Yes absolutely. I've tried to talk to people about this at work and all I've gotten back is that the media are riding this story for clicks.

    It makes me concerned for my own welfare more than the virus, that my employers don't see that this isn't going to go away quietly and it's going to be a very tough year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I was just down the chemist, they're all out of hand sanitizer. I did update my McAfee only last month though, so that's something at least.

    Had a good chuckle at this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,384 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    khalessi wrote: »
    In fairness speaking as a nurse, no nurse or other medical staff should be dying regardless of the scale. You certainly dont see frontline staff dropping dead when treating flu.

    Weird.

    Not sure where the "should" bit has come into the discussion of scale.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Tootsie_1 wrote: »
    Guy just full on coughed all over the place in the supermarket how hard is it to cough into your elbow or tissue corona virus or no corona virus its just disgusting

    Honestly you should have called him out on it (in the nicest possible way)!we need to curb this behavior.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    "What exactly have people got agaisnt putting some provisions aside?"

    Budget? Does it occur to people that a lot of folk barely have enough money to cover their weekly shop...
    3 family takeways could prob easily feed family of 4 for a week at under 60 quid if prepared at home, guess home eccs isnt strong suite on those survivalists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Better stock up on wine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,000 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    GM228 wrote: »
    That's note how it worked though, Ireland was measured as 19th based on a composite index of 5 goals and how they are achieved, a part of the study index was the overall health of the population which helped the ranking, it wasn't just about the health care system itself.

    Thank's, I am aware how whack the WHO rating system is, and it's been criticised by others and is somewhat controversial.

    Numbeo survey people about what their actual experience of countries has been, collecting real data on shop prices, housing, rent, health care, etc. In other words, the ranking is done by actual users and consumers of the goods and services. They rank Australia's health system at 9th and Ireland's at 80th.

    I have direct experience of both health care systems and would say that might be a bit harsh but more on the right track than WHO's nonsense.

    Ireland has some of the worst health outcomes in the OECD and has among the worst waiting times for access to health care in Europe.

    All in all, WHO are so out of whack with reality I take anything they say with a bag of salt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Yes absolutely. I've tried to talk to people about this at work and all I've gotten back is that the media are riding this story for clicks.

    It makes me concerned for my own welfare more than the virus, that my employers don't see that this isn't going to go away quietly and it's going to be a very tough year.

    Well they are trying to ride this for clicks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Better stock up on wine.

    Been trying for months now... doesn't work no self control (sigh)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    Professor Anthony Staines is on RTE Radio 1 at the moment. Very well qualified and speaks a lot of sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Watch Dr Bruce , he confirmed that at the start of an outbreak deaths and serious cases are high for numerous reasons:
    Couple of problems with this, if demand for services was to surge, then virtually all non-related medical cases would suffer, e.g. Operations, treatments and even emergency ambulances may not be readily available.

    Also (subject to occurance) a Wave2 scenario could begin in Autumn, so it would be important to retain all/any enhanced (overstretched) provisions, even after the 1st peak passes (early summer).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Kerry25x


    khalessi wrote: »
    In fairness speaking as a nurse, no nurse or other medical staff should be dying regardless of the scale. You certainly dont see frontline staff dropping dead when treating flu.

    So scary to see the number of doctors dying. I don't know the figures but have seen a good few cases now and they're often in their 30's and 40's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I have to say that WHO and even our own HSE have been saying for awhile that this is the time to PREPARE.

    Regardless of what you think is probably going to happen, right now it is irresponsible to presume this is going to turn out as you think. Nobody knows. This is not a hysterical statement, it is a fact. Nobody knows how bad it will get here or how people are going to react if the numbers start going up.

    The shops not being cleared now is great, this is your time to put some provisions aside. You can decide what is enough but this is like watching a car crash in really slow motion. Cases are popping up slowly one day and fast another. If we get a significant bunch of cases during the week, shops will start being emptied, why would anybody wait for that?

    Get yourself ready. Educate yourself and your vulnerable family/friends. If one person has it in Ireland , then from what we know of the virus it’s most likely that many others have it and have just not popped up yet. We have been taking flights from Italy all week. Many other countries have outbreaks directly linked to this country, so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that more cases are here.

    What exactly have people got agaisnt putting some provisions aside? Choose foods and goods you will use regardless of the outcome. That’s a cost neutral excercise that’s just prudent planning. What are you going to do if your doctor surgery or local pharmacy has to close down for 4-6 weeks? Quarantine could lead to these sort of timeframes (as my pharmacist confirmed when we discussed it last week).

    I think Panic also manifests itself as angry denial in some people. Stop calling people hysterical because you don’t think this is going to get serious. People who think they know how this is going to play out have absolutely no idea what’s gonna happen, anymore then any of us trying to reduce the potential risk.

    The stock markets have crashed because it looks like the world is going to be shut down for a few weeks. Why do I say that? Because that’s what’s happening, this isn’t some conspiracy theory , countries are in crisis level alerts because they know if it takes hold of a country, no healthcare system is built to deal with a fast spreading virus like this. The HSE bought over a million masks and have been increasing their resources to Deal with this for weeks. Why do you think that is? It’s because they are preparing for this epidemic, you need to prepare and not wait for the government to spell it out for you. Educate yourself on what’s happening because I would say there are so many variables and knock on issues that most of us can’t even imagine.

    Forget what you think you know and Get PREPARED. This is what all authorities have been saying for days and weeks, get PREPARED. Preparing is not panicking, it’s taking steps to make sure that you will have choices if things do get progressively worse in Ireland. You don’t know how this is going to play out, anybody who says with complete authority that they can say exactly what’s going to happen is guessing and has absolutely no way of saying such a statement without delusions of grandeur on their knowledge capacity to make such a statement.

    Pharmacies aren't going to close down for 6 weeks without some back-up measure put in place, are you mental? That would kill lots more people than the virus potentially would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Ah yes please! Like being back home ;)

    You’re free to return any time you wish. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    Most pharmacies offer home delivery and should be able to ramp this up if needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Been trying for months now... doesn't work no self control (sigh)

    Yeah, I bought a wine rack.
    Pointless, nothing stays there long enough.

    I don't get this panic buying anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    khalessi wrote: »
    In fairness speaking as a nurse, no nurse or other medical staff should be dying regardless of the scale. You certainly dont see frontline staff dropping dead when treating flu.

    Khalessi, I was speaking with my pharmacist last week and he was worried with the amount of health professionals that seem to be dieing in China from This.

    I was saying, in my layman interpretation of that fact, that surely that was most likely down to exhaustion from a critically stretched scenario? Normal flu season would , I presume, not theoretically have a potential mass influx of patients and stretch the services as much as this might.

    Doctors and pharmacists may get this which stretches this system further. My own pharmacist says he has to shut down the shop if he can’t come in, so where do people go for meds then?

    Listen , I’m no medical expert so I appreciate I’m speaking from a general interest (as opposed to professional informed) POV, but I would imagine the compounded knock on variables of widespread infections could really exhaust our healthcare workers , thus make them more vulnerable. One of the first medical videos I watched weeks ago (medcram website) suggested that sleep was one of the best ways to strengthen your immunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Tootsie_1 wrote: »

    It's very easy to edit a headline like that, if it was actually on the RTE website many more people would have seen it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    Pharmacies aren't going to close down for 6 weeks without some back-up measure put in place, are you mental? That would kill lots more people than the virus potentially would.

    At the moment the advice is to self isolate and the authorities are also advising those in contact to self isolate for a period of time. If a pharmacist has to self isolate, what do you think the advice is to his staff and those working with him?

    Again, I really don’t think people are thinking the potential knock on ramifications of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Tootsie_1 wrote: »
    Guy just full on coughed all over the place in the supermarket how hard is it to cough into your elbow or tissue corona virus or no corona virus its just disgusting

    People are vile creatures and have been all along. Even before all this broke out, I hated using public transport and being in crowded places. It seems nobody has manners anymore. People hacking and spitting on the street, not washing hands etc. Eugh.

    Do we need to start stockpiling? I don't want to be one of those silly arseholes that panic buys bread at the first dusting of snow but if there is going to be a run on stuff is it better to get it in now and avoid the crowds?

    I wonder if employers will implement working from home where appropriate or will they all wait until it is too late?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Downlinz wrote: »
    It's very easy to edit a headline like that, if it was actually on the RTE website many more people would have seen it.

    There’s a few different photos going around with different headlines / text. It’s a hoax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    We have seen them die in China though, this isn't the flu. Even the hospital director in Wuhan died.

    I know this isnt the flu which is my point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Re Pharmacies -
    Pharmacies cant operate or open unless there is a qualified Pharmacist on the premises, but sure thats what locums are for the locum business here is booming they get paid a fortune I have heard of them being paid 60 an hour on a Sunday so say the owner can have a day off (yes i work in that sector). So if someone is struck out there will be someone to open its rare you would only have one pharmacist per shop they usually rotate. I don't think this is going to be a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,000 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Been trying for months now... doesn't work no self control (sigh)

    This might help. ;)
    Clinicians have long observed an association between excessive alcohol consumption and adverse immune-related health effects such as susceptibility to pneumonia.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4590612/

    Anyway, time I got back to boosting my immune system and went for another long hill walk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    Antares35 wrote: »
    People are vile creatures and have been all along. Even before all this broke out, I hated using public transport and being in crowded places. It seems nobody has manners anymore. People hacking and spitting on the street, not washing hands etc. Eugh.

    Do we need to start stockpiling? I don't want to be one of those silly arseholes that panic buys bread at the first dusting of snow but if there is going to be a run on stuff is it better to get it in now and avoid the crowds?

    I bought a bit every few days past three weeks. Better safe than sorry in my eyes. And if not needed, I don't have to do a big shop for a long time. Think of it as a future shop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    Pharmacies aren't going to close down for 6 weeks without some back-up measure put in place, are you mental? That would kill lots more people than the virus potentially would.

    Anyone know what the situation has been regards services in northern Italy.... have pharmacies remained open


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Tootsie_1 wrote: »
    Re Pharmacies -
    Pharmacies cant operate or open unless there is a qualified Pharmacist on the premises, but sure thats what locums are for the locum business here is booming they get paid a fortune I have heard of them being paid 60 an hour on a Sunday so say the owner can have a day off (yes i work in that sector). So if someone is struck out there will be someone to open its rare you would only have one pharmacist per shop they usually rotate. I don't think this is going to be a problem.

    I won’t say too much more on this but look what’s been happening to entire hotels if one person is infected. If a pharmacy has one person infected what do the staff do? Do they not get quarantined? Regardless of whether there is locums (which my local pharmacist has), how do you open a chemist with no other employees?

    I’d rather not discuss this much more as it’s only relevant if this becomes widespread and I don’t want to concern people. But that’s part of the reason I am suggesting to stock up a few months on important meds if you can.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I won’t say too much more on this but look what’s been happening to entire hotels if one person is infected. If a pharmacy has one person infected what do the staff do? Do they not get quarantined? Regardless of whether there is locums (which my local pharmacist has), how do you open a chemist with no other employees?

    I’d rather not discuss this much more as it’s only relevant if this becomes widespread and I don’t want to concern people. But that’s part of the reason I am suggesting to stock up a few months on important meds if you can.

    the same could go for Gps there are a lot less of them than Pharmacies and pharmacists in this country


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