Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Eod100 · 25-02-2020 11:18PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Ah yeah, that's clearly the aim. And it's fair enough. But there are other options available to them and that's why a discussion with the IRFU and the other stakeholders would have been desirable.

Yeah think IRFU should have been notified first just out of common courtesy. Not sure why he announced it without doing that.

lawrencesummers · 25-02-2020 11:19PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Leinster bias again.
Having a Wicklovian as Minister of Health is biting us in the ass.
Now, Micheal Martin, there's a Minister of Health you can set your watch to.

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But seriously, calling the game off this far out with no consultation was a bit silly.

It should be cancelled, but by all stakeholders at a joint presser. This way looks a bit bush league.

Ironically you picked mehole Martin who is from the same place as Harris. And CJ for that matter.

lawrencesummers · 25-02-2020 11:21PM

Just to be clear.
If the government doesn’t see travel from Italy as being a problem that needs addressing then they can’t have an issue with this game going ahead.

thebaz · 25-02-2020 11:21PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Issue being discussed on RTE now, apparently 5000 Italian fans were due to travel. Guess a lot of it is convergence of fans in one location and trying to mitigate risk. Not going to shut down borders anytime soon so just trying to manage as best they can

How many of those 5,000 would be coming from a region put in lockdown for 2 weeks by the Italian state ?

right now the Corona-virus is all a bit unknown, certainly hate to see a lockdown situation in Ireland, so whatever it takes to reduce such a risk, seams reasonable.

OldRio · 25-02-2020 11:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who do you think the Government should have told as soon as they were advised to cancel the event:

A) The IRFU

or

Taxpayers?

What on earth?

Eod100 · 25-02-2020 11:28PM

thebaz wrote: »

How many of those 5,000 would be coming from a region put in lockdown for 2 weeks by the Italian state ?

right now the Corona-virus is all a bit unknown, certainly hate to see a lockdown situation in Ireland, so whatever it takes to reduce such a risk, seams reasonable.

No idea but guess issue is that people could travel from other parts who may have it without realising. I think better safe than sorry in this situation. The cons outweigh the pros. The game is still going to go ahead at some stage. 3 games were moved for foot and mouth in 2001. It's a fairly rare situation but I think public health has to come before a game. And I did question it when decision was first out but think there would be uproar if even a single person of 45,000 became affected.

Squidgy Black · 25-02-2020 11:29PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Ironically you picked mehole Martin who is from the same place as Harris. And CJ for that matter.

Since when is Turner's Cross the same place as Greystones

Bogwoppit · 25-02-2020 11:30PM

Treviso is where a lot of fans would be travelling from, its right in the middle of the Veneto region which is one of the zones affected.

lawrencesummers · 25-02-2020 11:32PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Since when is Turner's Cross the same place as Greystones

Cj
Martin
Harris the bluffer

All from greater douglas area

Jizique · 25-02-2020 11:33PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Since when is Turner's Cross the same place as Greystones

He might mean Eoin Harris

lawrencesummers · 25-02-2020 11:34PM

The infections in Tenerife make it pretty clear that a Travel ban on Italian travel is pretty necessary, and possibly already to late to be effective.

A game Saturday week should not be the focus.

BonnieSituation · 25-02-2020 11:47PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Ironically you picked mehole Martin who is from the same place as Harris. And CJ for that matter.

Micheál Martin is from Cork.
Simon Harris is from Wicklow.
CJ Haughey was born in Mayo of a Derry father and mother, and for all intents and purposes, despite his ownership of a Kerry island and how most claimed him as their own (for some unknown reason), and the fact that he spent his youth and most of his life in Dublin, was a Dub.

So, what are you spouting on about?

BonnieSituation · 25-02-2020 11:49PM

Jizique wrote: »

He might mean Eoin Harris

No one should ever "mean" Eoghan Harris. The clown.

Shefwedfan · 25-02-2020 11:51PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Micheál Martin is from Cork.
Simon Harris is from Wicklow.
CJ Haughey was born in Mayo of a Derry father and mother, and for all intents and purposes, despite his ownership of a Kerry island and how most claimed him as their own (for some unknown reason), and the fact that he spent his youth and most of his life in Dublin, was a Dub.

So, what are you spouting on about?

Best not to respond

BonnieSituation · 26-02-2020 12:04AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Best not to respond

I was trying to be glib with my "Leinster-bias" post. We all know Lar's penchant for screaming it.

But I got further confused thereafter. CJ Cregg maybe?

lawrencesummers · 26-02-2020 12:08AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Best not to respond

Best is from Ulster somewhere

prawnsambo · 26-02-2020 12:17AM

Simon Harris is going to meet with the IRFU in the morning. He's going to great lengths to get a ticket for the match, it must be said.

eclipsechaser · 26-02-2020 12:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who do you think the Government should have told as soon as they were advised to cancel the event:

A) The IRFU

or

Taxpayers?

I'm going to have to go with A) The IRFU. Where do I collect my prize?

Third_Echelon · 26-02-2020 12:30AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Simon Harris is going to meet with the IRFU in the morning. He's going to great lengths to get a ticket for the match, it must be said.

Most elaborate plan to get a ticket ever!

Larbre34 · 26-02-2020 05:52AM

eclipsechaser wrote: »

I'm going to have to go with A) The IRFU. Where do I collect my prize?

Its a weekend in Milan, start packing.

Shefwedfan · 26-02-2020 08:21AM

Some real silly comments on here

First complaining about Harris when all he is doing is his job. It's not his fault the virus is around and 100% agree all non essential travel should be restricted. Especially to a country with a large outbreak

Then the comments about why the game should be cancelled. Its a game of rugby, that is all it is. Cancel the bloody thing, if one person got sick because of the game then its 1 too many, if one person died then it is a disgrace.

Its very stupid to say "ahh well why are people still flying in from Italy". Of course flights are coming in, but how many people are on that flight compared to what it would be normally? just look at the share price of airline companies.

If the outbreaks continue I think the whole tournament could be shut down in the next week and to be honest, I love rugby but it makes perfect sense. Especially when you see the videos coming out of china

prawnsambo · 26-02-2020 08:39AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Some real silly comments on here

First complaining about Harris when all he is doing is his job. It's not his fault the virus is around and 100% agree all non essential travel should be restricted. Especially to a country with a large outbreak

Did you miss the complaints about him announcing this without discussing it with the stakeholders first? Listening to the radio this morning, it's not a unique criticism. And as I pointed out, it's not just the IRFU that are involved. They're not even the tournament organisers. And *to* a country? They're coming here. Which is a lot easier to control. The country concerned is already curtailing travel in the affected areas.

Edit: There are at least four flights a day coming into Dublin from Milan alone.

lawrencesummers · 26-02-2020 08:50AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Some real silly comments on here

First complaining about Harris when all he is doing is his job. It's not his fault the virus is around and 100% agree all non essential travel should be restricted. Especially to a country with a large outbreak

Then the comments about why the game should be cancelled. Its a game of rugby, that is all it is. Cancel the bloody thing, if one person got sick because of the game then its 1 too many, if one person died then it is a disgrace.

Its very stupid to say "ahh well why are people still flying in from Italy". Of course flights are coming in, but how many people are on that flight compared to what it would be normally? just look at the share price of airline companies.

If the outbreaks continue I think the whole tournament could be shut down in the next week and to be honest, I love rugby but it makes perfect sense. Especially when you see the videos coming out of china

What’s an airlines share price got to do with stopping a deadly Virus from Spreading?

fitz · 26-02-2020 08:54AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Some real silly comments on here

First complaining about Harris when all he is doing is his job. It's not his fault the virus is around and 100% agree all non essential travel should be restricted. Especially to a country with a large outbreak

Then the comments about why the game should be cancelled. Its a game of rugby, that is all it is. Cancel the bloody thing, if one person got sick because of the game then its 1 too many, if one person died then it is a disgrace.

Its very stupid to say "ahh well why are people still flying in from Italy". Of course flights are coming in, but how many people are on that flight compared to what it would be normally? just look at the share price of airline companies.

If the outbreaks continue I think the whole tournament could be shut down in the next week and to be honest, I love rugby but it makes perfect sense. Especially when you see the videos coming out of china

Of course public health is the priority, and of course it makes sense to cancel the game if there's risk of exposure.

My point earlier was that the Harris' statement that this game should be cancelled, in the absence of any actual risk mitigation against the thousands of people flying in and out of Italy this week, does not constitute an effective control. It's good intentions... Without actual enforcement of travel restrictions, cancelling the game is just safety theatre.

If the government are concerned about exposure, they should implement travel restrictions on anyone who's been in an affected region. Anything other than that isn't really a serious policy. Harris' comments about"free movement" on OTB were ridiculous, wtf does economic free movement have to do with whether to put public health based travel restrictions in place?

Eod100 · 26-02-2020 08:56AM

Wonder are u20s and womens games going to be cancelled too? Guess a few over for the mens game might have headed to them too

Auldloon · 26-02-2020 09:15AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Wonder are u20s and womens games going to be cancelled too? Guess a few over for the mens game might have headed to them too

Yes it applies to those games 2.

jacothelad · 26-02-2020 09:20AM

awec wrote: »

I should probably infract myself.

Don't forget to use lube.:eek:

jacothelad · 26-02-2020 09:24AM

Hurrache wrote: »

On the plus side, cities will be much more pleasant if Paddies day is affected similarly.

What a bonus for the environment. All that Plastic Paddywhackery saved.:D

26-02-2020 09:27AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Some real silly comments on here

First complaining about Harris when all he is doing is his job. It's not his fault the virus is around and 100% agree all non essential travel should be restricted. Especially to a country with a large outbreak

Then the comments about why the game should be cancelled. Its a game of rugby, that is all it is. Cancel the bloody thing, if one person got sick because of the game then its 1 too many, if one person died then it is a disgrace.

Its very stupid to say "ahh well why are people still flying in from Italy". Of course flights are coming in, but how many people are on that flight compared to what it would be normally? just look at the share price of airline companies.

If the outbreaks continue I think the whole tournament could be shut down in the next week and to be honest, I love rugby but it makes perfect sense. Especially when you see the videos coming out of china

It’s a compete overreaction, absolute madness cancelling the game and just hope the IRFU ignore him.

Also most people will still come over for the game imo. I have some friends coming from Italy for it, they will still be coming for we will be spending a weekend on the beer in Dublin instead and I would imagine it will be the same for most people with tickets and hotels booked.

prawnsambo · 26-02-2020 09:33AM

Knox Salmon Shortbread wrote: »

It’s a compete overreaction, absolute madness cancelling the game and just hope the IRFU ignore him.

Also most people will still come over for the game imo. I had some friends coming from Italy for it, they will still be coming for a weekend on the beer in Dublin and I would imagine it will be the same for most people with tickets and hotels booked.

I don't think they should ignore the advice per se. But discussing the alternatives should at least be allowed. And as you say, people will travel anyway. Even people without tickets for the game travel over. A six nations weekend in Dublin (or wherever) is always popular.

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