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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #9452
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Right, and you couldn't have said that in your first reply?
    Instead of quoting the referenced article you started mentioning Hollywood films?

    Hollywood movies??? Are you ok, son?


  • #9453
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's really as simple as this now:

    If the Chinese numbers are to be believed then containment can work. Be prepared. Do some extra shopping.

    If their numbers aren't to be believed be prepared for worse.

    No need to panic. Just think about this clearly and logically.


  • #9454
    [Deleted User]
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    He says he is in the lockdown area but he has no problems getting loads of drink.

    To be fair, with the amount of misrepresentation on this thread. It would drive you to drink.


  • #9455
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1231648876605661192

    Anyone still following Beijing's propaganda?

    It's funny I don't see any condemnation (not even so much as a questioning) of China from the left in Ireland but you could rest assured that if it was the USA behaving in the same way (which they couldn't) you wouldn't hear the end of it!

    What makes you believe Jennifer?


  • #9456
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Anyone still believing the figures from China???
    Crematoriums being overloaded for 2000 extra deaths and 'just another flu'?

    I would imagine a lot of people are dying of other illnesses as the hospitals resources are being used to treat those with COVID.

    It'd be a whole lot easier to get this sorted if they just came out and said this is how it happened and this is how ****ed we are.

    9% death rate is crazy but I'd be thinking a large proportion of that 9% were people who already had pre-existing health conditions.


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  • #9457
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    If 1 million people get infected in Ireland, I would expect that the fatality rate here will be higher as medical capacity to deal with severe cases will be overwhelmed.

    Bingo and that's the issue we should all be concerned about. Our health service is a mess and we don't have the ability to do what China has done to save so many.


  • #9458
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,211 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hollywood movies??? Are you ok, son?

    Are you? You were the one who mentioned Inception on this post.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112628763&postcount=9438

    I think that says it all about your posts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9459
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,264 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    What makes you believe Jennifer?

    I don't automatically but I appreciate the risks people are taking in reporting anything from China. Putting the regime in a light they don't like is rolling the dice.

    This is why we need to take notice.


  • #9460
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Bingo and that's the issue we should all be concerned about. Our health service is a mess and we don't have the ability to do what China has done to save so many.

    Lads, are you actually saying that China has a better healthcare system than Ireland???? I've heard it all now.:D

    Ireland is 19th in the world. China is 144th according to WHO so simmer down.


  • #9461
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I would imagine a lot of people are dying of other illnesses as the hospitals resources are being used to treat those with COVID.

    It'd be a whole lot easier to get this sorted if they just came out and said this is how it happened and this is how ****ed we are.

    9% death rate is crazy but I'd be thinking a large proportion of that 9% were people who already had pre-existing health conditions.


    Pre-esisting health conditions can be anything, if you had a flue last week and your immune system is run down that qualifies too


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  • #9462
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    How did the virus enter Italy? And how many on the airplane that brought in the carrier caught the virus too. Airplane air conditioning is a petri dish for such airborne viruses.


    Idle speculation but there is a large community of Chinese immigrants in the textile industry in Prato (Tuscany) and around Milan, most of whom retain very strong business and familial links with the mother country.


  • #9463
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,264 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Bingo and that's the issue we should all be concerned about. Our health service is a mess and we don't have the ability to do what China has done to save so many.

    lol, what has China done?

    Are we talking about the leaking fake propaganda hospitals or something else?


  • #9464
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Being the eternal ghoul I am, I’ll be curious to know who our Patient 1 will be, where they will have come from, what hospital they will be in, what is their place of work (eg restaurant server), where they will have been during incubation, and the HSE and media response.


  • #9465
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I don't automatically but I appreciate the risks people are taking in reporting anything from China. Putting the regime in a light they don't like is rolling the dice.

    This is why we need to take notice.

    Its deffo a massive risk posting from New York alright.

    She also has an Agenda against China

    Jennifer Zeng - best selling author of “Witnessing History: "One Chinese Woman’s Fight for Freedom"

    Jennifer Zeng - main character of awards winning documentary "Free China: the courage to believe".


  • #9466
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Candamir wrote: »
    But does that worst case scenario take into account our couple of proper oxygen ventilators?

    No it doesn't, it assumes a 2% death rate on 1000000 infections (20k), which won't be the case if we don't have enough respirators etc for critical patients. 20% of cases being critical means 200k will have been in critical condition, that's an enormous number. Hopefully that worst case scenario doesn't happen, but if does we have to hope those numbers are spread over as long a time period as possible. Thats why it's so important to do as much as we possibly can to slow down the spread.


  • #9467
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Italy is a touristic place
    The initial 2 cases in January were Chinese tourists who had been everywhere in the north of Italy before being taken to hospital. Shortly after a couple fell ill in Taiwan who had been to Italy for 2 week also traveling several northern regions
    Tourists go to restaurants and all sort of social gatherings


  • #9468
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,264 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Its deffo a massive risk posting from New York alright.

    She also has an Agenda against China

    Jennifer Zeng, Former Chinese Communist Party Member, best selling author of “Witnessing History: One Chinese Woman’s Fight for Freedom

    True but images and video come from contacts in China, people are rightly scared to post anything on social media from within the country which is going to be censored anyway. It's brave just getting video and pics out.

    I'd rather relying on those accounts than the CCP.


  • #9469
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    Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Idle speculation but there is a large community of Chinese immigrants in the textile industry in Prato (Tuscany) and around Milan, most of whom retain very strong business and familial links with the mother country.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-21350013


  • #9470
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    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    givyjoe wrote: »
    No it doesn't, it assumes a 2% death rate on 1000000 infections (20k), which won't be the case if we don't have enough respirators etc for critical patients. 20% of cases being critical means 200k will have been in critical condition, that's an enormous number. Hopefully that worst case scenario doesn't happen, but if does we have to hope those numbers are spread over as long a time period as possible. Thats why it's so important to do as much as we possibly can to slow down the spread.

    Where is this arbitrary 20% coming from?


  • #9471
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lads, are you actually saying that China has a better healthcare system than Ireland???? I've heard it all now.:D

    Ireland is 19th in the world. China is 144th according to WHO so simmer down.

    No it's like you didn't read my post. China has the ability to build hospitals in days, they have robots bringing infected people food in those hospitals, they have the ability to make thousands of ventilators, the ability to lock down a city with a population twice the size of ours in hours. We have none of that.


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  • #9472
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    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No it's like you didn't read my post. China has the ability to build hospitals in days, they have robots bringing infected people food in those hospitals, they have the ability to make thousands of ventilators, the ability to lock down a city with a population twice the size of ours in hours. We have none of that.

    You said the health service was a mess. I corrected you. I would rather have a functioning healthcare system than to have to build things off the cuff. Robots bringing food is a bit of a waste of time if proper sterilisation techniques are followed.


  • #9473
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    True but images and video come from contacts in China, people are rightly scared to post anything on social media from within the country which is going to be censored anyway. It's brave just getting video and pics out.

    I'd rather relying on those accounts than the CCP.

    Seem very narrow minded but each to themselves I suppose.


  • #9474
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You said the health service was a mess. I corrected you. I would rather have a functioning healthcare system than to have to build things off the cuff. Robots bringing food is a bit of a waste of time if proper sterilisation techniques are followed.

    You think our health service isn't a mess. Ah bless.


  • #9475
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Where is this arbitrary 20% coming from?

    Arbitrary? Are you having a laugh? It's been stated multiple times drawing from various sources that the 80% of cases are mild.

    Again, as for arbitrary, how about you practice what you preach and provide with a source that breaks down exactly how they've calculated the worst scenario. Seems an awful lot like they've literally just taken the widely stated mortality rate of 2% and applied it to a guesstimate of 1million infections.


  • #9476
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where is this arbitrary 20% coming from?


    from Worldometer


    Active Cases = 51,828
    Critical = 11,567 (22%)


  • #9477
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Arbitrary? Are you having a laugh? It's been stated multiple times drawing from various sources that the 80% of cases are mild.

    Again, as for arbitrary, how about you practice what you preach and provide with a source that breaks down exactly how they've calculated the worst scenario. Seems an awful lot like they've literally just taken the widely stated mortality rate of 2% and applied it to a guesstimate of 1million infections.


    That widely stated 2% is an inaccurate figure, there is no official data to support it. The closest you can get to that number is 3% only if you include all reported cases that still have no outcome


  • #9478
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    from Worldometer


    Active Cases = 51,828
    Critical = 11,567 (22%)

    Here we go again.........


    Just kidding;)


  • #9479
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    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    You think our health service isn't a mess. Ah bless.

    Luke. Luke. Luke. Ye wee petal. Love putting words in other people's mouth because you were caught wrong. Whilst our health service could be better (never denied that), it's still a lot better than an authoritarian country who's healthcare is worse than Uzbekistan.

    Anyway, you continue to post lies and misrepresentations like a good little boy.


  • #9480
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    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone living in Australia? You made the list...

    “Today, we added Australia and Italy to the list of countries from which returning travelers will be required to enter quarantine,” the prime minister said. “As necessary, we will add other countries to the list.

    https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Netanyahu-International-coronavirus-quarantine-list-may-grow-618492


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  • #9481
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Seem very narrow minded but each to themselves I suppose.

    Narrow-minded to not believe 100% what a Totalitarian Communist Regime is saying?

    Okay then...


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