new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 06:50PM

Beasty wrote: »

Just a suggestion to try and move this thread away from all this back and forwards on the stats. Stats is a subject in itself (one I studied at University), but we are possibly only in the early days of this virus, also possibly in its letter days - we simply do not know at this time. Stats for it are incomplete until it's over and we have seen through the full aftermath. There is actually only partial data out there. Hence people read different things into different figures. Rather than continuing like that I think it best to stick to verifiable facts. Yes conclusions can be drawn from those facts using statistical analysis, but we are working with an incomplete picture.

Can we therefore drop the backwards and forwards debate on the stats and get back to the facts and indeed discussing possible future actions at personal, local, governmental and global levels.

There is room for everything here, including stats. What really should go away is the stirring from certain users, that can take over pages and pages
I'll try to ignore them

23-02-2020 06:50PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What's the story where you are Ads? Did the place close to you just stop getting more cases?

Apparently so. See what happens.

seefin · 23-02-2020 06:52PM

If someone has just a cough should they be encouraged to stay at home just in case? Could be common cold but It is one of the symptoms so in first few days isn't it best to be cautious?

CinemaGuy45 · 23-02-2020 06:53PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

There is room for everything here, including stats. What really should go away is the stirring from certain users, that can take over pages and pages
I'll try to ignore them

I have found what you posted very useful others will not accept that.

Time to move on.

ceadaoin. · 23-02-2020 06:53PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

stopping flights, nobody leaves, nobody arrives, quarantine ourselves for a month and watch. We are still on time for it

No point at this stage. Pretty sure it's already in ireland, and most other places. You cant shut yourself in indefinitely. Its here to stay but luckily, for the vast majority of people, it is a mild illness.

fritzelly · 23-02-2020 06:54PM

I'm beginning to think this is rampant across Italy now and could be some bad times ahead for them and us

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231631397401612288

Gynoid · 23-02-2020 06:56PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Zero checks. Ryanair flight due in again from Milan at 7:50 tonight. They'll walk right through and onto hotels, taxis, restaurants etc...this evening.

It is kind of impossible though, I reckon. Every country in Europe will have cases soon, clusters like Italy. Are we going to really close down for the duration of the spread? It could last months, years. All air travel, all sea freight, all movement from abroad? People can be asymptomatic and be spreading so checks are not really workable to stop spreaders. It is a bit of a Pandora's Box situation - the plague cannot be put back in. I cannot see how one could avoid people continuing to walk off planes into Ireland.

SeaBreezes · 23-02-2020 06:56PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a risk here that neighbouring EU countries could decide to close their borders with Italy. This would carry political fallout.

Apparently Austria has already toyed with the prospect.

Did they not meet two weeks ago to discuss shelving the shenguen (sorry free travel) agreement for when COVID gets here? Can't rem where I read that..

wylo · 23-02-2020 06:57PM

I would say at this point if it was possible to spot check a few 1000 people here we’d probably spot it

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 06:57PM

seefin wrote: »

If someone has just a cough should they be encouraged to stay at home just in case? Could be common cold but It is one of the symptoms so in first few days isn't it best to be cautious?

Bottom line is many people can't afford to stay at home sick because their jobs terms and conditions have destroyed their entitlements.

They simply don't get paid unless they turn up hence you have people spreading viruses in workplaces unnecessarily

cameramonkey · 23-02-2020 06:57PM

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm beginning to think this is rampant across Italy now and could be some bad times ahead for them and us

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231631397401612288

People will start to get panicked if the authorities dont seem to be taking action and in complete control. Other governments in Europe may decide to ban flights and control frontiers.

bodhrandude · 23-02-2020 06:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently so. See what happens.

Any links at all to this Cambodian story Ads, that sounds really serious about the infections there or did you just hear it from fellow colleagues.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 06:59PM

Gynoid wrote: »

It is kind of impossible though, I reckon. Every country in Europe will have cases soon, clusters like Italy. Are we going to really close down for the duration of the spread? It could last months, years. All air travel, all sea freight, all movement from abroad? People can be asymptomatic and be spreading so checks are not really workable to stop spreaders. It is a bit of a Pandora's Box situation - the plague cannot be put back in. I cannot see how one could avoid people continuing to walk off planes into Ireland.

That's a decision for government to make and when it comes to economy over health I think I know the answer. We won't see the same measures not even close here to what China has done.

Jim_Hodge · 23-02-2020 07:00PM

Four new UK cases. They came off the cruise ship.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51606368

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 07:02PM

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/sapporo-news/20200223/7000018248.html
8 more in Japan including a 20 year old man in a critical condition

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 07:04PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Even aside from that you have people turning up because of an idiotic sense of pride (you know the type, think its beneath them to let illness keep them off work).

There should be a special place in hell for that sort. "I haven't missed a day off work in 10 years" should translate to " I come into work even when I'm sick because I don't care about other people "

23-02-2020 07:04PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Any links at all to this Cambodian story Ads, that sounds really serious about the infections there or did you just hear it from fellow colleagues.

Na, I just made that up to amuse myself. Policy is that CA users should fact check nonsense and posters can make stuff up.

Anything I say about Vietnam though will always be right.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-02-2020 07:08PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

stopping flights, nobody leaves, nobody arrives, quarantine ourselves for a month and watch. We are still on time for it

You honestly think this is a valid solution:pac:

wadacrack · 23-02-2020 07:09PM

Interesting study shared by David Sinclair on Resveratrol ( natural compound found in grape seeds and skin and in red wine, against MERS-CoV infection). (highly respected Australian biologist )~

Resveratrol significantly inhibited MERS-CoV infection and prolonged cellular survival after virus infection. We also found that the expression of nucleocapsid (N) protein essential for MERS-CoV replication was decreased after resveratrol treatment. Furthermore, resveratrol down-regulated the apoptosis induced by MERS-CoV in vitro. By consecutive administration of resveratrol, we were able to reduce the concentration of resveratrol while achieving inhibitory effectiveness against MERS-CoV.

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-017-2253-8

inatissy · 23-02-2020 07:09PM

So Dr James Campbell says dont take paracetamol to reduce fever in order to make conditions uncomfortable for the virus. Someone posted a guide for healthcare workers there a few posts back. It says do give medication for fever. Hard to know what is best to do ðŸ€’ðŸ€¯

cameramonkey · 23-02-2020 07:12PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231556106264219648
Temperature in Singapore is above 30c for the next few weeks. People wondering is this a factor in the decreasing numbers.

Stheno · 23-02-2020 07:12PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

There should be a special place in hell for that sort. "I haven't missed a day off work in 10 years" should translate to " I come into work even when I'm sick because I don't care about other people "

Even worse where I work we can work from home anytime yet we still get the Typhoid Mary's coming in and spreading whatever plagues they have.

tuxy · 23-02-2020 07:13PM

inatissy wrote: »

So Dr James Campbell says dont take paracetamol to reduce fever in order to make conditions uncomfortable for the virus. Someone posted a guide for healthcare workers there a few posts back. It says do give medication for fever. Hard to know what is best to do &#55356;&#56338;&#55356;&#56367;

It's strange, many health organisations are recommending meds like paracetomol.

You would think there would be fairly conclusive reports on other SARS like viruses that would investigate if keeping a patients temperature high is benificial.

wylo · 23-02-2020 07:14PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231556106264219648
Temperature in Singapore is above 30c for the next few weeks. People wondering is this a factor in the decreasing numbers.

Thank you, this thread and the news of it in general is starting to take a hold on me to be honest!

tuxy · 23-02-2020 07:15PM

wylo wrote: »

Thank you, this thread and the news of it in general is starting to take a hold on me to be honest!

Careful, anxiety can lower your immune system.

cameramonkey · 23-02-2020 07:18PM

Singapore has an excellent health care system and is of course like China a country where people listen to the government.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2020 07:18PM

Heat can't do any harm apparently. Virus does not react well.

I wonder will we see a collapse in cases as we move toward summer.

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 07:19PM

no deaths, that's impressive

tuxy · 23-02-2020 07:19PM

Singapore is also a city-state which gives them advantage in many areas.

tuxy · 23-02-2020 07:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Heat can't do any harm apparently. Virus does not react well.

I wonder will we see a collapse in cases as we move toward summer.

It will slow it at the very least, it's the case for most viral infections.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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