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23-02-2020 05:28PM

tuxy wrote: »

Since body tempertue checks have been inefective in outher countries, what kind of checks should we be doing?

Anal probing.

Duke of Url · 23-02-2020 05:28PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I reported both, you can see the recovery rate for close cases and for closed+open cases
Personally i wouldn't bother with any stats that contain almost 70% of unknown outcomes in it.

The number of closed cases is increasing and the rate are starting to revel trends, it's good data

I know how to read both. You are confusing many by switching between them to debate.

At least highlighting to people which one you are using is a more logical approach.

Both are not wrong but they can’t be used together as they work on different totals.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 05:28PM

tuxy wrote: »

Since body tempertue checks have been inefective in outher countries, what kind of checks should we be doing?

I would still use body temperature checks but tbh I think its not enough and as I stated earlier closing the ports is an option that should at the very least be discussed. We have an advantage as an island nation why not use it?

CinemaGuy45 · 23-02-2020 05:30PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I know how to read both. You are confusing many by switching between them to debate.

At least highlighting to people which one you are using is a more logical approach.

Both are not wrong but they can’t be used together as they work on different totals.

I think I hear somebody calling saying you're tea is ready.

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 05:32PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I know how to read both. You are confusing many by switching between them to debate.

At least highlighting to people which one you are using is a more logical approach.

Both are not wrong but they can’t be used together as they work on different totals.

You asked for the calculation, i gave you the calculation
I reported on recovery 30% because it's the right figure to use when you claim that death rate is 3%
Apples with apples, or oranges with oranges

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 05:33PM

Woah I thought they had found all the infected on the cruise liner by now. 57 more passengers and crew confirmed positive now, almost 700 people positive now

9 more passengers have also experienced serious complications since yesterday.
Over 5% of passengers with the virus are now in a serious condition

CinemaGuy45 · 23-02-2020 05:34PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Two flights touched down from Milan earlier in Dublin where we still have zero checks for the virus, in an international airport. It beggers belief.

Ah sure it's all grand no reported cases here so relax.

tuxy · 23-02-2020 05:35PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Woah I thought they had found all the infected on the cruise liner by now. 57 more passengers and crew confirmed positive now, almost 700 people positive now

With the long incubation time, taking them off the ship was never going to stop more from testing positive.

Call Me Jimmy · 23-02-2020 05:36PM

What's the story where you are Ads? Did the place close to you just stop getting more cases?

Candamir · 23-02-2020 05:37PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I reported both for you to understand, but you don't understand stats Everybody else in here get them

Anyone who says statistics are easy to understand probably hasn’t worked a whole lot with them tbh.

Call Me Jimmy · 23-02-2020 05:38PM

Candamir wrote: »

Anyone who says statistics are easy to understand probably hasn’t worked a whole lot with them tbh.

They seem to more of an art than a science at the best of times :P

wakka12 · 23-02-2020 05:38PM

tuxy wrote: »

With the long incubation time, taking them off the ship was never going to stop more from testing positive.

It's crazy, I wonder will the number of infected on the ship pass the 1000 mark
It's insane that there are literally over a thousand people from that ship going about their daily life now, no quaratine, one negative test and off they were on busses&taxis home. Anyway some countries are quarantining those people or else not allowing them to come home for a fortnight so it will be Japan which will bare the brunt of that mistake

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 05:39PM

Candamir wrote: »

Anyone who says statistics are easy to understand probably hasn’t worked a whole lot with them tbh.

stats are my 9-5 job, unfortunately
the stats on Worldometers are the easiest possible available out there, very basic key indicators

PhantomHat · 23-02-2020 05:39PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Ah sure it's all grand no reported cases here so relax.

Tis grand. I think we should all just have a nice cup of tea and wonder if Jonny Sexton will get his kicking boots back on for the Italy game

tuxy · 23-02-2020 05:41PM

PhantomHat wrote: »

Tis grand. I think we should all just have a nice cup of tea and wonder if Jonny Sexton will get his kicking boots back on for the Italy game

What if they were to delibertly infect the constants of love Island.
Just think of the viewing figures and national interest in the virus!

The chan chan man · 23-02-2020 05:42PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Two flights touched down from Milan earlier in Dublin where we still have zero checks for the virus, in an international airport. It beggers belief.

Seriously? Have we no checks in place in Dublin?? Typical of the ****ing Paddy to make a bags of this!

BorneTobyWilde · 23-02-2020 05:43PM

PhantomHat wrote: »

Tis grand. I think we should all just have a nice cup of tea and wonder if Jonny Sexton will get his kicking boots back on for the Italy game

No way that game goes ahead.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2020 05:46PM

There is a risk here that neighbouring EU countries could decide to close their borders with Italy. This would carry political fallout.

Apparently Austria has already toyed with the prospect.

bodhrandude · 23-02-2020 05:46PM

Guys getting fed up with this back and forth arguing about CFR, give it a rest the outbreak is still in its infancy, the only way you'll get an accurate calculation is when this first wave is over and into the summer before the next wave and hopefully with an antidote by then.

cameramonkey · 23-02-2020 05:46PM

tuxy wrote: »

Since body tempertue checks have been inefective in outher countries, what kind of checks should we be doing?

Of course body temperature checks dont catch everyone that is infected but they may catch some, along with other measures it may not stop the spread but it may cut it down, every little helps.

PhantomHat · 23-02-2020 05:47PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

No way that game goes ahead.

Indeed! No talk of that stall! I do wonder about the general Irish perception of this outbreak. Feels like many are sleepwalking

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 05:47PM

The chan chan man wrote: »

Seriously? Have we no checks in place in Dublin?? Typical of the ****ing Paddy to make a bags of this!

Zero checks. Ryanair flight due in again from Milan at 7:50 tonight. They'll walk right through and onto hotels, taxis, restaurants etc...this evening.

Beasty · 23-02-2020 05:48PM

Just a suggestion to try and move this thread away from all this back and forwards on the stats. Stats is a subject in itself (one I studied at University), but we are possibly only in the early days of this virus, also possibly in its letter days - we simply do not know at this time. Stats for it are incomplete until it's over and we have seen through the full aftermath. There is actually only partial data out there. Hence people read different things into different figures. Rather than continuing like that I think it best to stick to verifiable facts. Yes conclusions can be drawn from those facts using statistical analysis, but we are working with an incomplete picture.

Can we therefore drop the backwards and forwards debate on the stats and get back to the facts and indeed discussing possible future actions at personal, local, governmental and global levels.

tuxy · 23-02-2020 05:49PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Zero checks. Ryanair flight due in again from Milan at 7:50 tonight. They'll walk right through and onto hotels, taxis, restaurants etc...this evening.

We don't have to wait for the HSE, we should be more proactive like these young people in Hong Kong.

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 05:50PM

Beasty wrote: »

Just a suggestion to try and move this thread away from all this back and forwards on the stats. Stats is a subject in itself (one I studied at University), but we are possibly only in the early days of this virus, also possibly in its letter days - we simply do not know at this time. Stats for it are incomplete until it's over and we have seen through the full aftermath. There is actually only partial data out there. Hence people read different things into different figures. Rather than continuing like that I think it best to stick to verifiable facts. Yes conclusions can be drawn from those facts using statistical analysis, but we are working with an incomplete picture.

Can we therefore drop the backwards and forwards debate on the stats and get back to the facts and indeed discussing possible future actions at personal, local, governmental and global levels.

There is room for everything here, including stats. What really should go away is the stirring from certain users, that can take over pages and pages
I'll try to ignore them

23-02-2020 05:50PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What's the story where you are Ads? Did the place close to you just stop getting more cases?

Apparently so. See what happens.

seefin · 23-02-2020 05:52PM

If someone has just a cough should they be encouraged to stay at home just in case? Could be common cold but It is one of the symptoms so in first few days isn't it best to be cautious?

CinemaGuy45 · 23-02-2020 05:53PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

There is room for everything here, including stats. What really should go away is the stirring from certain users, that can take over pages and pages
I'll try to ignore them

I have found what you posted very useful others will not accept that.

Time to move on.

ceadaoin. · 23-02-2020 05:53PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

stopping flights, nobody leaves, nobody arrives, quarantine ourselves for a month and watch. We are still on time for it

No point at this stage. Pretty sure it's already in ireland, and most other places. You cant shut yourself in indefinitely. Its here to stay but luckily, for the vast majority of people, it is a mild illness.

fritzelly · 23-02-2020 05:54PM

I'm beginning to think this is rampant across Italy now and could be some bad times ahead for them and us

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231631397401612288

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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