new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Hector Savage · 23-02-2020 10:28AM

Very worrying indeed, the only positives I can think of is at least now with the situation in Italy and S. Korea we will get accurate data and information - can't trust the Chinese.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-02-2020 10:30AM

Can't be any worse than this ****ing hangover

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 10:31AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Interesting as I gleaned all the info you say is not available from news items online. Very clearly indeed,

Or are you seeking to be spoonfed?

Jesus how hard is it for you to understand this?

You proactively sought this info out but the average person on the street is oblivious to all this and 100% needs to be spoonfed.

Also the fact that the HSEs own official info page still is only indicating travel from china as being an issue shows they are woefully un prepared and they arent doing anything to try keep the public informed

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2020 10:33AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't be any worse than this ****ing hangover

Awww poor baby

We might see travel restrictions sooner rather than later in Europe but hopefully this is an isolated cluster of cases in Italy.

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 10:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Awww poor baby

We might see travel restrictions sooner rather than later in Europe but hopefully this is an isolated cluster of cases in Italy.

Im not hopeful about it being isolated tbh, maybe if they had caught it a week ago but with 80 odd cases being confirmed in 48 hours I don't see how this hasn't already spread outside the quarantine zones

Sean 18 · 23-02-2020 10:40AM

None of this would have happened if China had sorted it out in December

joseywhales · 23-02-2020 10:42AM

Or maybe it's just not that serious a situation and stronger measures would cause more issues than they would solve?

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 10:42AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Jesus how hard is it for you to understand this?

You proactively sought this info out but the average person on the street is oblivious to all this and 100% needs to be spoonfed.

Also the fact that the HSEs own official info page still is only indicating travel from china as being an issue shows they are woefully un prepared and they arent doing anything to try keep the public informed

I just updated my comment and gave one source of information showing your post to be inaccurate. There are many others, in papers, on the news.

There is all the preparation there can be given there are no cases yet.

and it was all on news? I do not have TV or radio and just glance at news items online and I saw it clearly weeks ago.

Using an old phrase; have some cop on! Mostly just common sense as so many great posts here show clearly.

Graces7 · 23-02-2020 10:47AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Or maybe it's just not that serious a situation and stronger measures would cause more issues than they would solve?

A strong possibility indeed.

There are no measures possible until and unless; apart from what is suggested here as simple common sense eg keeping food and water stocks up.

HSE have assured that there are isolation units ready …GPs have hazmat suits ready; that was on news reports weeks ago, and it has been given out clearly not to attend a and e but to call the GP and get advice what to do.

There was a much fuller version than the one I referred to on either rte or breaking news web sites

Eyes are sore so please can someone check that to reassure folk? Thank you, I had no idea people had not read this .

Indestructable · 23-02-2020 10:47AM

113 cases in Italy now.

dekbhoy · 23-02-2020 10:50AM

Thing are starting to get serious now. will spread like wild fire if it hits irelands shores. We dont have the capability to contain it. World needs a vaccine Fast.

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 10:53AM

Graces7 wrote: »

I just updated my comment and gave one source of information showing your post to be inaccurate. There are many others, in papers, on the news.

There is all the preparation there can be given there are no cases yet.

and it was all on news? I do not have TV or radio and just glance at news items online and I saw it clearly weeks ago.

Using an old phrase; have some cop on! Mostly just common sense as so many great posts here show clearly.

Go into your local pub ask the barflies if they know what to do or what it is, go into your local newsagent and do the same for those behind the till or the customers , go into your local fast food restaurant and again repeat the same, i have no faith that many will know what your talking about let alone know what to do and again you are ignoring the HSEs own official info and guidelines being weeks out of date.

A few articles in the Irish times website is not enough, nowhere near enough has been done to inform the public, we need front page articles on every publication repeating the exact same info, we need it being repeated on radio and tv news bulletins several times a day.

Your attitude of the info is there for people to find is pathetic, it needs to be shoved in peoples faces at every oppurtunity

VinLieger · 23-02-2020 10:54AM

dekbhoy wrote: »

Thing are starting to get serious now. will spread like wild fire if it hits irelands shores. We dont have the capability to contain it. World needs a vaccine Fast.

We are months away from even human trials for a vaccine

gozunda · 23-02-2020 10:56AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Interesting as I gleaned all the info you say is not available from news items online. Very clearly indeed,
Just checked and see Irish Times and other reports January 20th plus. Says eg what to do and not to do if you think you are infected
and re isolation units ready.In reality until and unless it arrives here there is little else that can be done. .

"News items online"?

Really? That HSE page (the one you recommended btw as having all the information) couldnt be updated to reflect the current situation? Or provide relevant and updated advice?

No advice on not attending A&E or GP surgeries. Check

No emergency contacts unless "you've been in "mainland China in the last 14 days". Check

No info on "isolation units"? Just checked and not a dickey bird - whatever they are ..
So 'Source please' there

Sure we can all google - that said the media is not the best source for health advice by any stretch of the imagination.

Heres the UKs NHS Corona virus information webpage - perhaps they should take some notes ...

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/

MD1990 · 23-02-2020 10:56AM

22% now of all cases in serious/critical condition.

This is going up. This is not including people that can't be seen as well.

Next 4-6 weeks are going to be crucial.

Gynoid · 23-02-2020 11:02AM

Clinical course and outcomes of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a single-centered, retrospective, observational study Xiaobo Yang*, Yuan Yu*, Jiqian Xu*, Huaqing Shu*, Jia’an Xia*, Hong Liu*, Yongran Wu, Lu Zhang, Zhui Yu, Minghao Fang, Ting Yu, Yaxin Wang, Shangwen Pan, Xiaojing Zou, Shiying Yuan, You Shang

Published in The Lancet Feb 21st 2020

Summary

Background
An ongoing outbreak of pneumonia associated with the severe acute respiratory coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) started in December, 2019, in Wuhan, China. Information about critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection is scarce. We aimed to describe the clinical course and outcomes of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia.

Methods
In this single-centered, retrospective, observational study, we enrolled 52 critically ill adult patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia who were admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) of Wuhan Jin Yin-tan hospital (Wuhan, China) between late December, 2019, and Jan 26, 2020. Demographic data, symptoms, laboratory values, comorbidities, treatments, and clinical outcomes were all collected. Data were compared between survivors and non-survivors. The primary outcome was 28-day mortality, as of Feb 9, 2020. Secondary outcomes included incidence of SARS-CoV-2-related acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and the proportion of patients requiring mechanical ventilation.

Findings
Of 710 patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia, 52 critically ill adult patients were included. The mean age of the 52 patients was 59·7 (SD 13·3) years, 35 (67%) were men, 21 (40%) had chronic illness, 51 (98%) had fever. 32 (61·5%) patients had died at 28 days, and the median duration from admission to the intensive care unit (ICU) to death was 7 (IQR 3–11) days for non-survivors. Compared with survivors, non-survivors were older (64·6 years [11·2]
vs 51·9 years [12·9]), more likely to develop ARDS (26 [81%] patients vs 9 [45%] patients), and more likely to receive mechanical ventilation (30 [94%] patients vs 7 [35%] patients), either invasively or non-invasively. Most patients had
organ function damage, including 35 (67%) with ARDS, 15 (29%) with acute kidney injury, 12 (23%) with cardiac injury, 15 (29%) with liver dysfunction, and one (2%) with pneumothorax. 37 (71%) patients required mechanical ventilation. Hospital-acquired infection occurred in seven (13·5%) patients.
Interpretation The mortality of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is considerable. The survival time of
the non-survivors is likely to be within 1–2 weeks after ICU admission. Older patients (>65 years) with comorbidities and ARDS are at increased risk of death. The severity of SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia poses great strain on critical care resources in hospitals, especially if they are not adequately staffed or resourced.

Seems to be a horrible illness for sure.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 11:05AM

MD1990 wrote: »

22% now of all cases in serious/critical condition.

This is going up. This is not including people that can't be seen as well.

Next 4-6 weeks are going to be crucial.

The hospitals here will be over run within days of an outbreak if those numbers are even partly true. There is going to be a lot of angry people asking why we didn't take the measures required earlier.

gozunda · 23-02-2020 11:07AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Clinical course and outcomes of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a single-centered, retrospective, observational study Xiaobo Yang*, Yuan Yu*, Jiqian Xu*, Huaqing Shu*, Jia’an Xia*, Hong Liu*, Yongran Wu, Lu Zhang, Zhui Yu, Minghao Fang, Ting Yu, Yaxin Wang, Shangwen Pan, Xiaojing Zou, Shiying Yuan, You Shang

Published in The Lancet Feb 21st 2020

Summary

Background
An ongoing outbreak of pneumonia associated with the severe acute respiratory coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) started in December, 2019, in Wuhan, China. Information about critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection is scarce. We aimed to describe the clinical course and outcomes of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia.

Methods
In this single-centered, retrospective, observational study, we enrolled 52 critically ill adult patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia who were admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) of Wuhan Jin Yin-tan hospital (Wuhan, China) between late December, 2019, and Jan 26, 2020. Demographic data, symptoms, laboratory values, comorbidities, treatments, and clinical outcomes were all collected. Data were compared between survivors and non-survivors. The primary outcome was 28-day mortality, as of Feb 9, 2020. Secondary outcomes included incidence of SARS-CoV-2-related acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and the proportion of patients requiring mechanical ventilation.

Findings
Of 710 patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia, 52 critically ill adult patients were included. The mean age of the 52 patients was 59·7 (SD 13·3) years, 35 (67%) were men, 21 (40%) had chronic illness, 51 (98%) had fever. 32 (61·5%) patients had died at 28 days, and the median duration from admission to the intensive care unit (ICU) to death was 7 (IQR 3–11) days for non-survivors. Compared with survivors, non-survivors were older (64·6 years [11·2]
vs 51·9 years [12·9]), more likely to develop ARDS (26 [81%] patients vs 9 [45%] patients), and more likely to receive mechanical ventilation (30 [94%] patients vs 7 [35%] patients), either invasively or non-invasively. Most patients had
organ function damage, including 35 (67%) with ARDS, 15 (29%) with acute kidney injury, 12 (23%) with cardiac injury, 15 (29%) with liver dysfunction, and one (2%) with pneumothorax. 37 (71%) patients required mechanical ventilation. Hospital-acquired infection occurred in seven (13·5%) patients.
Interpretation The mortality of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is considerable. The survival time of
the non-survivors is likely to be within 1–2 weeks after ICU admission. Older patients (>65 years) with comorbidities and ARDS are at increased risk of death. The severity of SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia poses great strain on critical care resources in hospitals, especially if they are not adequately staffed or resourced.

Seems to be a horrible illness for sure.

Thanks for the article. I've highlighted a number of sections which I believe are going to make this a very difficult outbreak to manage imo.

tara73 · 23-02-2020 11:10AM

just read 48 german people from the Princess Diamond landed in Berlin-Tegel and they should self-isolate at home...speechless here. Are the authorities nuts? They need to be in supervised quarantine like the ones flewn out from Wuhan.
Nobody obviously wants to pay or organise the supervised quarantine so let them quarantine themself...
believe me, the 'big nations' here in the EU are not better prepared than the smaller ones.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 11:10AM

Only the flu

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51602007

Sean 18 · 23-02-2020 11:11AM

Yes this should be front page news now not mary Lou MacDonald etc I'd say it's going to start getting out of control in Italy soon enough

MD1990 · 23-02-2020 11:14AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Only the flu

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51602007

lost count amount of times I have seen you do this now.

Give it a rest

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2020 11:24AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231518560465367042

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231493971320459265

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231523218177040384

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 11:25AM

MD1990 wrote: »

lost count amount of times I have seen you do this now.

Give it a rest

You know where the report button is?

Thanks, Luke

Duke of Url · 23-02-2020 11:26AM

MD1990 wrote: »

22% now of all cases in serious/critical condition.

This is going up. This is not including people that can't be seen as well.

Next 4-6 weeks are going to be crucial.

Wrong. 22% of medically confirm cases.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 11:27AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231518560465367042

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231493971320459265

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231523218177040384

The numbers in Iran are stunningly grave.

I wonder if this is the true fatality rate percentage and the Chinese cover up of numbers is true?

Sean 18 · 23-02-2020 11:31AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

The numbers in Iran are stunningly grave.

I wonder if this is the true fatality rate percentage and the Chinese cover up of numbers is true?

Jesus shocking

Duke of Url · 23-02-2020 11:35AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

The numbers in Iran are stunningly grave.

I wonder if this is the true fatality rate percentage and the Chinese cover up of numbers is true?

Is South Korea in cahoots with China on the cover up?

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 11:38AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Is South Korea in cahoots with China on the cover up?

Good point. Bizarre that it's swings wildly from country to country. Possibly mutated in Iran??

wylo · 23-02-2020 11:39AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

The numbers in Iran are stunningly grave.

I wonder if this is the true fatality rate percentage and the Chinese cover up of numbers is true?

By that logic Italy and lots of other countries would have a lot more deaths by now.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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