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  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    Super running T. It's great to see you kicking on since DCM.

    I'm not sure what your thinking is now for Dungarvan, but sub 70 is definitely selling yourself short.

    Thanks A. Not sure on Dungarvan yet but do agree that sub 70 might be a softish target. I'll see how the next month's training goes and then set a target.


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Dealerz2.0


    A great race T, well done


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Road to Dungarvan Week 7

    Took a rest on the Monday after the race on Sunday. Calves were still tight from it.

    Tuesday 31st - 7m easy @9.08avg
    Easy miles around the UCC sports ground. As 7m easy goes, it went fairly quick and the legs felt fine for it. Running on grass was a welcome relief. After a night out with the OH on New years eve, I took another rest day on New years day - was fairly hungover from the night before :(

    Thursday 2nd - 9m 5m@7.32, 2m@7.26

    After a morning ice skating session (in which I didn't fall once :D) with the family, I headed off on this session. A small quickening of pace, which I'll explain later, lead me to fear this one a bit. It was fairly windy too so that played into my mind as well. First 3 miles were with the wind which made them quite easy to be honest - 7.24, 7.30, 7.25
    Next 2 and half into the wind which made them tougher but was able to keep pace ok, half mile back with the wind - 7.25, 7.21, 7.23
    Last mile with the wind and couldn't make it slower, even though the legs began to feel it - 7.14
    Happy with the session, although was faster than it should've been. Wind was a factor for it.

    Friday 3rd - 5m easy @9.08avg
    Felt a little strain near my groin before this run but nothing major. Did 5m on grass and didn't really feel any issues. Once the body cooled down, the groin issue was still there. I've decided to rest up tomorrow instead of the proposed hill sprints.

    So from the initial talk of Dungarvan earlier this week, I have been persuaded by the OH to run with her at a 6.40min/mile pace for it. Would be aiming for around the 67min mark I reckon. In order to prepare me for this, I'm going to increase my paces by 6-10 seconds per mile. Should be able given the recent improvements. I think it's a good race strategy, won't need to worry about paces during the race, just need to run them :eek:

    So for that reason, I decided not to run the XC 5k on Sunday. Instead I'm going to do the 15m long run as I feel it will benefit my training for Dungarvan a lot more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Sunday 5th - 14.5m, 13.5m@7.52

    This run kinda matched my longest MP run for the DCM in August. Felt ok after the rest day on Saturday, no sign of the groin issue from Friday but couldn't be certain until I started running. Was a small bit windy as well today.

    After a mile warmup, I started at the 7.52 pace. It's amazing how comfortable that pace felt today compared to DCM training. Weather was very mild so took off my base layer when I passed the car at mile 4. Also, dropped my headphones back to the car - I'm finding that I prefer to run without music for any non easy run these days.

    First half of the run seemed to be against the wind. Miles were
    7.56, 7.48, 7.53, 7.46, 7.51, 7.58, 7.49
    Reached the furthest turning point and headed back to the car with wind at my back. Miles were
    7.48, 7.52, 7.46, 7.42
    Was feeling good at this point but turned out last 2 and a half miles were going to be directly into the wind in an exposed area. Had to increase effort here which in turn caused the paces to increase, makes no sense really! Miles were
    7.44, 7.35, 7.47 (1/2 mile)

    Was happy to get through the run without any injury issues and being able to hit the paces.

    Weekly mileage - 35.5m
    Year to date - 28.5m :eek:

    Next week's plan looks good with plenty of easy runs, one manageable tempo and a slower long run. Increase of mileage though, going up to 50 miles.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Just curious T....what's the thinking of 13.5 miles at MP. In light of an upcoming 10 miler particularly.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    Just curious T....what's the thinking of 13.5 miles at MP. In light of an upcoming 10 miler particularly.

    I suppose it's not really MP anymore S, was just doing a bit of a comparison in paces from DCM training. The plan I'm following is not specifically aimed at the Dungarvan 10, but more of a gradually buildup to the Cork half marathon.

    Endurance for me is where I need to do the most improvement. My shorter distance PBs don't correlate to the longer distance ones. If I can improve endurance, the longer distance times will reduce, as will the shorter ones - I have the speed but not the engine yet!!

    I've been finding the various types of runs on the plan really enjoyable and can already feel the benefits. So to answer the original question, I'm assuming that running 13.5m at a quick enough pace will improve my overall endurance. To put things in perspective, I'm going to try to run Dungarvan at a quicker pace (6.40) than my 5k time from May :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Road to Dungarvan Week 8

    Mileage this week will be around the 50 mark so a nice jump. Luckily the week seems ok in terms of intensity

    Monday 6th - 8m easy, 9.36avg

    Made a mistake of running this on grass. After a day of rain previously, I decided to run on a tarmac route. A morning of bright sunshine made me change my mind and go to my normal UCC Sportsground. The route was quite muddy, which normally is fine, but this was stuck in the mud type of stuff. Was quite the effort doing this run, total opposite of easy. But as they say, that'll stand to me......on a side note, learnt that it's best not to have indian food the night before a run ;)

    Tuesday 7th - 10m easy, 9.14avg

    As you can imagine, this run felt so such easier than the previous day. Went out to the Ballincollig regional park for a change of scenery. A nice near 5 mile loop made this run go by quickly, with just the 2 loops needed. Legs did feel tired at the end but had a rest day on the Wednesday

    Thursday 9th - 9.5m 7.5m@7.30

    Felt great going into this, nice and rested. Did my normal Blackrock loop but the first time doing it for a session like this. Would normally keep these type of runs to the flat route by Passage. The Blackrock route has a few more hills in it (not much mind) so I thought it would provide a bit more of a challenge. Fast miles were - 7.23, 7.35, 7.29, 7.31, 7.31, 7.24, 7.21
    Felt I could've carried on for another few miles at that pace and show no ill effects at all this evening. I definitely think I benefit a lot more from these types of runs to the interval or on/off type - it puts my endurance to the test and improves it (might be wrong with that though)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    What doesn't kill you makes you stronger ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Friday 10th - 7.5m easy, 9.20avg

    Legs felt fine after Thursday's session but still ran this on grass just in case. Conditions weren't as bad as Monday; muddy but runnable. Added half a mile onto this to make it a 50 mile week for me (OCD levels are high!!)

    Sunday 12th - 15m 10m@8.09, 5m@7.59

    Thankfully didn't have to run on Saturday, weather was atrocious. As luck turns out, Sunday morning was ideal weather for a run. Had to run this earlier than normal (for me anyway), due to birthday parties for kids today. Felt very groggy at the start and took a while for the legs to settle into the pace.

    Once I settled in, the miles went by ok and was able to hits the paces. 10m came in at 8.07, 8.05, 8.11, 8.10, 8.05, 8.08, 8.07, 8.07, 8.00, 8.03
    Not too worried about going a small bit faster than expected as I need to increase training pace soon. Last 5 miles were an effort, not sure if it was the increased mileage this week or me underestimated this run. They came in under the time though - 7.56, 7.46, 7.57, 7.54, 7.50

    Lots of runners out this morning which created a great atmosphere around the place. Or maybe it's always like this early in the morning and I just miss it when I go out afterwards :p

    Weekly mileage - 50 miles
    Year to date - 78.6 miles

    Happy with how the week went but already dreading next week. Mileage is similar but 2 sessions instead of 1, plus 6 days running for the first time. It also sees the return of my most hated session to date (4x1m@6.49, with 400m recovery @8min pace), hopefully I can do it this time around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Road to Dungarvan Week 9

    Quite a daunting week with 6 days running on the plan for the first time and also, 6 days consecutive days running if you include last Sundays. Miserable weather forecasted for the week too

    Monday 13th - 6m easy, 9.27avg

    Ran this in the midst of storm Brendan, no other time to do it really. Decided to run it in the local park where the lack of trees made it the safest place to run. Wasn't too bad except for a long straight stretch where I was fighting into the wind struggling to breath. At least it made the run exciting. Running in these conditions has finally made me come to terms of being addicted to running - I couldn't not run today

    Left the park to find a tree after falling into the road covering 2 of the 3 lanes. At least it didnt fall into the park and on top of me!

    Tuesday 14th - 8m 3x2m@6.59 w 400m/3min recovery

    Another run, another soaking - Was lashing for the whole thing. Forgot to select the interval session on my watch so did a 1m warmup and then started the interval workout. Wind did play a factor in it but not as bad as yesterdays. 1st and last reps were with the wind, middle one against.

    1st - 6.52 6.50 - jogged recovery
    2nd - 6.54 6.51 - walked recovery here due to the extra effort against the wind
    3rd - 6.53 6.53 - jogged recovery

    Felt a bit meh about the session afterwards for some reason. It's only when I checked Strava afterwards that I realised how good it was. Even with the 2 recoveries (one walking), it was my 2nd fastest ever 10k (44.53), 1st being Charleville HM. Made me feel a lot better about it.

    Wednesday 15th - 7m easy, 8.40avg

    You might see the average pace there and think it was too fast for easy but it really did feel easy at that pace that day. It was a great run going around the Blackrock loop. Maybe it's because I do most of my long runs around that route that the quicker pace felt easy.

    Thursday 16th - 5m easy, 9.13avg

    Did the 5m loop out in Ballincollig regional park. Not as easy feeling as the day before but still felt good.

    Challenging session tomorrow before I finally get a rest day


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Well done on jumping to the six days, you won't regret it;)

    As a fellow addict, I'm here if you ever need to talk :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Still unsure about the 6 days even though I feel ok this week. I like my rest days :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Treviso wrote: »
    Still unsure about the 6 days even though I feel ok this week. I like my rest days :)

    I've been running mainly 6 day weeks with the last few months, although I'll throw in the odd 5 day week too. The 6th day has always been a very short run though - usually 2-3 miles recovery up until now. It's worked for me so far, and if I feel like increasing it to 5-6 miles at some stage it won't be such a big leap.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Friday 17th - 8m 4x1m@6.49 w 800m/8min recovery

    Really struggled to do a similar session a few weeks ago, so was worried about it. It was 4 reps this time instead of 5 but the paces were quicker. This time round though, I was able to hit the paces and more importantly, keep the recovery pace to 8 min/mile. The last time I had to slow the recovery to 8.30 as I felt I wasn't recovering enough. This time I felt I was recovering at 8min pace.

    1st rep - 6.48 (7.58 recovery pace)
    2nd - 6.47 (7.58 rec)
    3rd - 6.43 (7.50 rec)
    4th - 6.41 (7.54 rec)

    Was delighted to nail this session, and while it was tough I felt good towards the end. 2nd best 10k ran during the session (44.29)

    Sunday 19th - 16m 13.5m@8min 2m@7.49 - 7.58avg

    Lovely morning to run even though the path were a small bit icy. The biggest obstacles were the amount of people out - spent a lot of the time slaloming between the different groups.

    I did notice around the 6 mile mark that the legs were feeling a bit tired, probably after the Friday session. Was able to keep the miles under 8min and up the pace for the last two. The legs had that familiar lead like feeling afterwards, that I remembered from the long runs for DCM.
    I kept thinking that the pace for this run was very similar to my actual DCM pace, so that gave me encouragement of the improvement I've been making since then.

    Weekly mileage - 51 miles
    Year to date - 130 miles

    Good tough week done, happy to come out of it unscathed. Think the plan eases out a bit for the next 2 weeks in preparation for Dungarvan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Road to Dungarvan Week 10

    With the recent freezing temps, I've been able to go back to running my easy runs on grass this week. Although running around the UCC sportsground is quite monotonous, it definitely a lot easier on my legs/knees/feet.

    Monday 20th - 5m easy, 9.22avg

    Freezing conditions allowed me to run on grass without the spikes. Ground was quite bumpy so had to be careful of my footing to avoid any twisted ankles. Air was freezing which resulted in my legs and hair being covered in ice at the end.

    Tuesday 21st - 6m easy, 9.22avg

    Quite a boring run this one, again on grass but with the spikes. Legs were kinda tired for it

    Wednesday 22nd - 10m tempo 6m@7.39 2m@7.29

    The good thing about running on grass, it makes going back on the roads a lot easier. In saying that, during the warmup mile at 8.45 pace I felt sluggish and wondered how i was going to do this session.

    First mile again felt fairly tough but settled into it after a while. Miles were slightly faster than the target but thats ok. Miles were

    7.40, 7.31, 7.35, 7.33, 7.24, 7.35, 7.22, 7.19

    Overall not a fierce session but the legs got a good workout.

    Thursday 23rd - 8m easy, 8.58avg

    8 miles easy, how was I going to get through this! I'm finding the long easy runs quite boring at this stage. Still wanting to get the benefits of the grass running though, so went for the 3rd run of the week to the sportsgrounds.

    I was 4 miles into the run, losing the will to live when was luckily joined by another runner for the rest of it. Was able to chat away for the rest of the run. Pace went up but time flew! I've always run alone, never questioned the need for company until now. Kinda heightened my need to join a club, one of many reasons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Warning no exciting race report, just a boring two days of running

    Great to see some fantastic running from boardsies today in Raheny, felt really jealous seeing all those times come in today

    Friday 24th - 7m, 6m@8.40, 1m@6.59

    Ran this around my normal Blackrock loop and it felt great. 8.40 is considered an easy pace these days but it depends on the day. Today it felt real easy and I was enjoying the jog around. Bumped into my sister running with her friend towards the end, so ran with them for 2 miles. They were complaining about me running too fast for them (9.30) so I slowed to 10.31 for the 6th mile. Left them for the last mile and sped back to the car in 6.49

    Sunday 26th - 11.5m, 10m@8.09 1.5m@7.45, 8.01avg

    Ended the week with a shorter long run than normal, with paces a tad slower than previous weeks too. The 8.09 pace felt great and quite easy, while the legs felt good too. Miles were quite consistent as well
    8.09, 8.05, 8.06, 8.12, 8.06, 8.09, 8.08, 7.56, 8.00, 8.01

    No problem with the increase in pace, maybe too much as it averaged 7.35 for the last 1.5m. Felt really good after it though

    Weekly mileage - 47.5
    Year to date - 177.5

    With Dungarvan next Sunday, next week sees a lot of easy runs with 1 speed session (albeit a bit easier than normal). The plan at this moment is to run with the OH with a pace of 6.45 at the start. See how I feel around the 6 mile mark and go from there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Last week to Dungarvan

    Some bad and some better news this week. Bad news was 3 enforced days of rest due to an injury, good news is I think I've recovered enough to run Dungarvan at goal pace

    Monday 27th - 6m easy, 9.08avg

    Ran this one on grass. Ground was sticky but nothing unusual until it started to rain. It wasn't absorbing the rain so ended up with a lot of surface water to deal it. Even with the spikes, I was slipping around for the last couple of miles. I think this is where I got the injury. Felt ok after the run though

    It was later that night in bed, I felt a slight strain in my groin and it only got worse when I woke up on Tuesday morning. It got to a stage on Tuesday evening that I thought Dungarvan was off the cards. Wednesday and things looked a bit better, although still feeling a twinge at some points. Thursday and it seemed ok, but was still cautious when I walked. Things were looking up

    Friday 31st - 4m easy, 8.53avg

    This was a tester run to see how everything was. Planned to run 4 miles at 9 min pace to see how it would hold up. Everything went well, no pain at all except when I looked backwards. So note to self not to do that during the race.

    Will do 2 miles tomorrow and add some strides in at the end, to give the legs one final test.

    I have been so focussed on the injury that I haven't thought about the race till now. Things could all fall apart in the first few miles anyway but I'm hoping everything will hold up. Weather is looking really windy for Dungarvan on Sunday at this moment, so times will be affected I say. Goal pace is 6.40-6.45min/mile average. If I didn't have the week I just had, I would've been nervous about achieving his pace. Now, I'm just happy to race and whatever happens happens, but I will give it my all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Sorry to hear about your injury T, you did right resting & i have no doubt you will do your best given the week you have just had ;)

    Very best of luck to you:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Sorry to hear about your injury T, you did right resting & i have no doubt you will do your best given the week you have just had ;)

    Very best of luck to you:D

    Thanks E, will hope to keep the great racing performances of the 2019 Novices going!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Treviso wrote: »
    Thanks E, will hope to keep the great racing performances of the 2019 Novices going!

    I have absolutely no doubt T ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    All the best tomorrow T.

    Give it socks but obviously not at the expense of aggravating your niggle.
    You will easily go sub 70 and quite a bit below it if you are feeling 100%.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Best of luck tomorrow T! (injury permitting of course)

    Hopefully the wind won't be too bad - seems it will mainly impact as a headwind from miles 3-5.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    All the best tomorrow T.

    Give it socks but obviously not at the expense of aggravating your niggle.
    You will easily go sub 70 and quite a bit below it if you are feeling 100%.

    Thanks J. I'm fairly confident of the sub 70 once i don't get injured - who knows the rest this week might be the perfect taper for the race!!
    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    Best of luck tomorrow T! (injury permitting of course)

    Hopefully the wind won't be too bad - seems it will mainly impact as a headwind from miles 3-5.

    Thanks A. Looks like the wind will be coming from a SW direction so miles 2, 4 and 5 will be the toughest. I hope to find a gang of giants to shelter in for those miles :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Treviso wrote: »
    Thanks J. I'm fairly confident of the sub 70 once i don't get injured - who knows the rest this week might be the perfect taper for the race!!



    Thanks A. Looks like the wind will be coming from a SW direction so miles 2, 4 and 5 will be the toughest. I hope to find a gang of giants to shelter in for those miles :)

    Best of luck. Remember these niggles are just weakness leaving the body. Thats what my old football coach used to say anyway, although i was sceptical :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Best of luck. Remember these niggles are just weakness leaving the body. Thats what my old football coach used to say anyway, although i was sceptical :)

    Cheers D, I would be like superman if that were true :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Dungarvan 10 race (finally!!)

    So after the run on Friday, I went out for a 2 mile shake of the legs and some strides. After getting through this without any issue, I was confident that everything was ok injury wise.

    Left Cork in plenty of time with the OH and picked up a friend on the way. Arrived in Dungarvan in plenty of time, picked up my number and went off on the warm up. Wind was blowing really hard so it was a concern for the race. Changed into the Legalflys and headed up to the start line.

    Plan for the race was to run with the OH at a pace of about 6.40-6.45, try to shelter as much as we could for the first 5 miles and go from there.

    Mile 1
    Good start to the race but looked like we started a bit far back when the 70 pacer balloon suddenly popped up in front of us. Lot of jostling about around the first few bends and I did make a mistake of going onto a footpath. Nearly slipped and came a cropper, which would've been my own fault - schoolboy error. Back round to the start line and off out of town we went 6.37

    Miles 2,3,4
    Trying to settle into the pace at this stage is really hard; must admit I did find the going tough early in the race. Myself and the OH were passing a good amount of people though, while trying to shelter behind as many people as possible. End of mile 2 saw us take a sharp right off the main road and onto country roads.

    OH then had a problem with the pinning of her gel so I ended up carrying that in my hand till mile 5 (my pocket was full). Went up the first hill ok and a nice downhill section past the first water station at mile 3. I was still struggling with the fast pace so poured most of the bottle over my legs, back of neck and back. Mile 4 was the slowest but it was a hard mile, with the wind hitting us at an angle that was really hard to hide from.6.41,6.25, 6.48

    Mile 5
    Still battling hard into the wind. We're in a nice group of runners here running at roughly the same pace so it was easier to tuck in here. Headed up to the 2nd water station so time to take a gel. Hand the OH the sweat covered Maurten that I had been carrying all along (if I was a a proper gentleman, I should've taken that one myself :D) and took out the nice fresh one from my pocket.

    I normally don't need water taking Maurten gels so it was probably a mistake taking a bottle of water whilst trying to eat the gel. Not sure if it's just me or not, but they take a while to eat - more of a jelly than a gel.6.42

    Mile 6
    The water station broke up the group that had formed and myself and the OH drove on, sensing that turn back was only small bit up the road. Got to the turn and it was a great relief to not have to face that wind. But wait, what was this blowing in my face - more bloody wind! Sticky mile this one as we knew there was a nice downhill section up ahead but could ages to get to it. I did feel at this time though, that I was feeling marginally somewhat fairly ok, better than earlier anyway.6.39

    Mile 7
    Strange miles these. Some points I felt really strong, well able to push on and then seconds later I would feel my legs were getting heavier and heavier. We forgot about a tough drag up to the downhill section and we struggled here tbh. At this stage I thought my goose was cooked - legs were super heavy. Downhill section finally arrived and I kinda attacked it just to make some time up. My OH thinks I'm making an early attack and wishes me well, but I shake my finger to say that wasn't happening. With the next turn there was finally a feeling of wind at our backs.6.38

    Mile 8
    Longest mile ever on a really straight road. I was feeling a bit narky, conditions of the roads were annoying me - typical irish boreens where the middle of the road slopes out either side. My right foot was giving out to me. My really expensive shoes shouldn't be dealing with these types of conditions. Yes I was probably delirious! Finally the next turn was in sight, where we would rejoin the main road and face some hills.6.35

    Mile 9
    Nice steep slope to join the main road, followed by a short downhill. I remember seeing some annoying politician's face on a billboard at that time which added to the pain at that stage. I thought there was meant to be a steeper hill here but didn't feel like that. Looked at my watch and there was a mile and a half left. Pace had slipped a bit so I felt I could push on/suffer for the remainder. I left my OH at this stage and again, she gave me some words of encouragement to go for it. Maybe I upped the pace a bit too much but was catching and passing loads of people. The end of the mile got us to the last hill of the race, which we first passed around mile 2 6.38

    Mile 10
    The hill was in two stages, middle was flat, and I did feel a bit gassed at the top of it but only half a mile left. There was a nice downhill section which I was able to attack again and get my breath back. Felt I was being tracked by two guys I had just passed so had to keep the pace up. End of the downhill and not much left. Was still pushing the pace, crowds were cheering us on here so couldn't be seen to slow down. Around the last bend and went as fast as I could.6.08

    Chip time - 66.02
    Thought I had done enough to go under 66 but no harm done seeing as goal time was around 67ish.

    Lies, damned lies and statistics
    Just to make myself feel better. Dungarvan was my first proper race ever last year. It's over a 10min PB from that race and a 8min PB for 10 miles, from Mallow last year. Even my time without performance enhancing gadgets shows improvement - Predicted time sans next% - 69.20 :D:D 5min PB

    On other matters, I've signed up with a coach and will start a new plan this week. From glancing at it tonight, it's look tough but let's see how it goes. Feet up tonight with first beers since new years eve and Superbowl on the tv


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    Congrats T, super running and great race report to boot.
    The old saying goes that you reap what you sow and your time is perfect reward to the training you have been churning out.
    Phenomenal jump in PB in 12 months. Just the start of an epic 2020!
    Looking forward to hearing how you get on with the coach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Super race T & a great read! Well done on the PB, delighted for you :D

    I'm sure you are usually the perfect gent ;) Tell F congrats on completing it too:)

    Best of luck with the coach!


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Congrats T, super running and great race report to boot.
    The old saying goes that you reap what you sow and your time is perfect reward to the training you have been churning out.
    Phenomenal jump in PB in 12 months. Just the start of an epic 2020!
    Looking forward to hearing how you get on with the coach.

    Thanks J, I did have your performances of 2019 to aspire to. Sometimes I look at miles starting in 6.xx and think I couldn't run them for that long. Guess I need to get over that complex, it's just numbers
    Super race T & a great read! Well done on the PB, delighted for you :D

    I'm sure you are usually the perfect gent ;) Tell F congrats on completing it too:)

    Best of luck with the coach!

    Thanks E, F did amazing too - finished really high up in the female category and won a prize in her age category too. Such a better runner than I'll ever be. I forgot to say how impressed she was with your run in Raheny, lots of potential there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Thats one well executed race in what sounds like tough windy conditions. Congrats and now with a coach on board too, should i start linking sub 3 threads to you now? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Thats one well executed race in what sounds like tough windy conditions. Congrats and now with a coach on board too, should i start linking sub 3 threads to you now? :)

    Touché D :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Aw that's brilliant i'm delighted for her :D You are both great runners & it's even more amazing that you get to race with each other & encourage each other!
    Although the saying is true...behind every good man is an even better woman ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    That's great racing T - seems like you gunned it from start to finish. Yeah, you've got speed, but you've also worked your tail off since Dublin (and over the last year) and you have the grit to dig in and fight through when the going gets tough in a race. That's a great combination. Savage result today (in the Legalflys :pac:), and plenty more to come.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    That's great racing T - seems like you gunned it from start to finish. Yeah, you've got speed, but you've also worked your tail off since Dublin (and over the last year) and you have the grit to dig in and fight through when the going gets tough in a race. That's a great combination. Savage result today (in the Legalflys :pac:), and plenty more to come.

    Thanks A, it's definitely been an aim of mine to improve endurance and I'm seeing the results now. From looking at the new regime, there'll be even more focus on it


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    What, another 10 mile race!! Mallow Week 1

    Here we go again but at least this time it's only 6 weeks away. After the result in Dungarvan, I can't help but target 65 for Mallow. A minute doesn't sound that much to make up but will take some doing.

    At least with the new coach onboard, it won't be for the want of trying. First week involves two sessions in which the paces have increased quite some bit for me.

    Monday 3rd - 5m easy, 8.58avg

    Legs felt quite good after the race, stiff but not as bad as expected. For all the bad press the vaporflys get, they certainly allow you to get back into training straight away. Ran around the Ballincollig regional park, and my pace was quite good whilst feeling easy. Legs were definitely still in recovery mode but happy with getting out for this one

    Tuesday 4th - 6m easy, 8.51avg

    Ran at lunchtime during a rare trip to the office. Out and back along the marina. Again legs were still in recovery but better than the day before. Was happy that the sub 9min pace does now feel easy.

    Wednesday 5th - 9m easy, 8.51avg

    Was meant to do the first session today but decided to switch runs and give myself an extra day of easy running. Normal loop around Blackrock castle which was quite enjoyable.

    Thursday 6th - 9m tempo, 4@7.25 4@7.10

    The extra day easy running certainly was a good idea. It's been a while since a session felt this tough but was delighted that I was able to hit the paces. First 4@ 7.25 seemed challenging, with the wind playing a factor.
    7.23, 7.25, 7.26, 7.23
    Upped the pace a bit too much for the start of the next mile, but eventually settled in. Began to lose form in the middle, but was able to recognise it and concentrate on keeping it right (I'm starting to learn these things!)
    7.07, 7.05, 7.09, 7.08

    Really happy to get back into the swing of hard training, although looking forward to a rest day on Saturday :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Friday 7th - 7 mile easy, 8.47avg

    Had planned to run this one on grass, to give the legs a bit of a break. It had been dry all week so reckoned the ground had firmed up. An hour before the run and it started to lash so decided not to risk injury again and went to my normal 7m loop around Blackrock castle. Was running easy but somehow the pace for the last two miles increased - maybe I was looking forward to the rest day on Saturday

    Sunday 9th - 3x1mile@6.20 w 1mile@8.00 recovery in between

    Big upping of pace here. Last time I did this sort of session, it was 4x1mile @6.55 so the 30 second increase seemed daunting. Storm Ciara was howling all morning, with torrential rain - it seemed there was no way to escape running in it. Then, out of nowhere, the skies brightened up and there seemed to be break. Off I headed in a hurry.

    Was going to cheat as well for this session, with all speed miles with the wind and the recoveries against. Guess I needed all the help I could get. 1 mile warmup and off I set on the first rep. As always, I don't know how to judge 6.20 so first glance of the watch showed 5.55. Eased it back a bit and managed to get the 1st one on time - 6.16. Turned around and did the recovery into the wind. It was hard to keep it near the 8 minute pace. Found that I recovered breath wise ok but the legs were not recovering that much.

    Second rep and again I started too quick, another 5.5x pace when I looked at the watch. This time the pace eased itself due to effort and I found myself struggling towards the end. Still snuck in on time - 6.20. I was thinking that the 3rd one would be hellish if I was struggling on that one. Same thing with the recovery mile, 8min pace was a push on the legs.

    Last rep and this time pace started at 6.10 and I was struggling early on. Half a mile left and I was suffering a lot. Kept looking at the watch every 30 secs I say, to me the distance remaining seemed to go up at times :p Finally it ended - 6.15 The recovery mile was ok, but the legs felt achy for it.

    Happy with how it went and how my legs feel now as I type. Ready for week 2

    Weekly mileage - 43 miles
    Year to date - 246

    Bad news is 3 sessions for me next week but at least for one of them, I get to do a parkrun at a speedy pace. Second parkrun ever for me (First was a 23min run in January 2019) and I'm hoping the race environment will help me with the pacey miles.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Mallow 10 week 2

    Another week of the unknown for me, with 3 difficult sessions planned. From looking at them, the paces seemed rather fast for each one but I told myself to take each one at a time. A week of running into the wind it seems so far

    Monday 10th - 6 miles easy, 8.50avg

    Quite a windy morning with Storm Ciara still festering. Went to the nearby park which was quite exposed to the wind in places. Got through it fine with no sign of tiredness from the run on Sunday

    Tuesday 11th - 2x3miles@6.55 w 1mile@8.00 recovery

    Am used to the 3x2miles but not the 2x3miles, guess I need them to improve endurance. First time running them under 7min pace too. The first set went ok but was conscious of the wind at my back - 6.54, 6.51, 6.52
    For the recovery miles, felt I was getting my breath back but my legs weren't recovering that much. Second set and was sheltered for the first mile. Hit the wind for the last 2 and struggled to get them in on time - 6.53, 6.58, 6.57
    Very happy with how it went

    Wednesday 12th - 5 miles easy, 9.00avg

    Back to the same park as Monday for a nice and easy run. New pair of Brooks but same model as before.

    Thursday 13th - 10.5m 5m@7.20 4.5@7.15

    Similar to last week but with an extra 1.5 miles added in for the hell of it I guess. Not sure how it would go. There was a bit of a wind to deal with too. Decided to run against the wind for the first part and have it with me for the second. I was working quite a bit for the first part but was managing to hit close to the paces - my thinking was I could recover some bit on the way back - 7.24, 7.23, 7.21, 7.30 (tree cover), 7.21
    Turned with the wind and thought I would be able to cruise home at a comfortable pace. That was until I glanced at the watch and saw 7.30 pace. Had to upped my effort till the end and was quite relieved when I got back to the car - 7.23, 7.16, 7.10, 7.11, 7.12 for the half
    I was feeling quite disappointed that it took so much effort to go near that pace, until I looked on Strava. Came up as my 3rd fastest 10 mile after Charleville half and Dungarvan 10 the other week. So I ended up quite pleased after seeing that.

    Rest day tomorrow and then my long awaited return to Parkrun on Saturday. The session is a monster to me - have to run a 20min 5k, followed by 4x800m@6.10 pace w 90sec recoveries :eek::eek::eek: will break out the 4% to avoid injury


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Dealerz2.0


    That session today looked savage, well done T.

    Enjoy Saturday...you’ll smash it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Saturday 15th - 3m@6.30 w 3min rec, 4x800m@6.10 w 90secs rec

    Had planned to run the first part of this session in a parkrun but it was cancelled due to storm dennis. There was another one in the city but the hill on that course wasn't suitable. Decided to go to the normal Blackrock route and give myself a favourable route for those miles.

    My legs had been ok all week but decided to wear the 4% to prevent injury and enable my legs to recover quicker for the next weeks running. Obviously they helped with the paces too.

    After a 2 miles warmup, changed into the 4% and set off on the fast 3 miles. Had a bit of a mess up with programming this session so I couldn't see what pace I was going at, had to go by feel. First mile was with a cross wind. Felt in control and was surprised when the watched beeped and clocked 6.16 Second mile was with the wind and came in at 6.12 I was feeling good and was torn between maintaining pace till the end and easing off as I still had a lot more to do afterwards. Last mile was at 6.26 and of course I carried on for the extra .1 to get the 5k covered. Came in at 19.37 which was quite surprising.

    Had a bit longer than 3 mins recovery as I wanted to clear a hilly part of the route first. Was feeling good going into the 800s. Wind was against me for these but they felt quite comfortable
    3.02
    2.59
    3.07 (was down to tree cover)
    3.03
    Last 800 saw me going up and over a pedestrian bridge over the south ring road, not good timing but guess it was a bit of hill work thrown in for free :D Must admit I was buzzing for the day after completing that session in those conditions

    Sunday 16th - 9m easy, 9.03avg

    After feeling ok on Saturday, I woke on Sunday morning quite stiff and sore. Needed a new route to keep the interest up for this run. Ran from Carrigaline to Crosshaven on the old railway line for the first time. Was lucky with the weather until the turn around, where I was met with a torrential hailstone shower - the sadistic in me started to laugh halfway through it. Last of the miles were quite tough on the legs and feet but got through it. Even decided to have a bath afterwards to soak my legs and try to aid recovery

    Weekly mileage - 47.5
    Year to date - 293.5

    Another increase in mileage for next week and the sessions look tougher too - hopefully it's the toughest week before things settled down for Mallow!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Mallow 10 week 3

    Definitely an element of fatigue starting to creep in but another tough week lays ahead.

    Monday 17th - 8 miles easy, 9.11avg

    All easy runs this week are a lengthy 8 miles, which I find to be extra long and need more motivation for. Trying to change up running routes to keep me going. Ran this one in Ballincollig, legs were fairly tired but got through it. Thought I escaped the rain until the last mile when it bucketed down and I got soaked (yet again!)

    Tuesday 18th - 5x1m@6.30 w 1m@8.00 rec in between

    No motivation needed for this one. Another windy day but I decided just to pick a route and not worry about what direction it was blowing. Running 6.30 miles in Brooks is a lot tougher than the Vaporflys, took me a lot more effort to get them in on time. By rep 2, my legs had turned to jelly. The 8min miles were just about giving me enough recovery to get the next fast one done. Felt like I was on the edge the whole session, which is good. Didn't push to keep the recoveries bang on 8min due to the wind. Times were
    6.31 7.59rec
    6.32 8.04
    6.28 8.06
    6.29 8.14
    6.28
    Ran a 73min 10mile in total for that session, crazy to think that I went so fast for a training run

    Wednesday 19th - 8 mile easy, 8.57avg

    Did the same route as Sunday, from Carrigaline to Crosshaven, a lovely 8 mile out and back along some old railway line walkways. Fierce windy on the way back too. Lower back is feeling a bit sore today but should be fine. Another 8 mile easy tomorrow


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    That Tuesday session looks savage and in that wind too:eek:

    Fair play Trev some hard work going on here!


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    That Tuesday session looks savage and in that wind too:eek:

    Fair play Trev some hard work going on here!

    Thanks E, effort levels have increased alright. All this to improve by 1 minute by next month!

    But seriously, these sessions are specifically working on my endurance, which will help me for the longer goals of Cork Half and DCM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,509 ✭✭✭Damo 2k9


    Them sessions are smashing, very similar to what I have been doing over the last couple of weeks and I find they really work wonders for endurance. Knowing you can pull it off on a training run in middle of a heavy week is great confidence booster.

    Great to see you got on board with a coach, it's great having that sense of accountability haha! Well that's the key for me, I lack structure terribly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Damo 2k9 wrote: »
    Them sessions are smashing, very similar to what I have been doing over the last couple of weeks and I find they really work wonders for endurance. Knowing you can pull it off on a training run in middle of a heavy week is great confidence booster.

    Great to see you got on board with a coach, it's great having that sense of accountability haha! Well that's the key for me, I lack structure terribly.

    Well given your performance over the weekend, I'll keep on doing them if you say they've improved your endurance! Well done on that race again.

    I am enjoying having the coach onboard and not having to do any thinking myself. I'll leave that up to the experts!


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Dealerz2.0


    You're absolutely flying it T, well done, great Tuesday session.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Thursday 20th - 8m easy, 8.59avg

    Can't remember much about this run apart from running around the Blackrock loop. Legs were feeling tired and tender all week so this just maintained that fatigue.

    Friday 21st - 3x3m@6.58 w 1m@8min in between

    Definitely the hardest session I've done, with the combo of the length and pace of it, along with how tired I was feeling. Was nearly impossible to plan this route to give me the advantage of a majority tailwind.

    After a mile warmup, I started on the first 3 mile rep with a tailwind for the majority of it. However, whether it was me trying to conserve myself for the rest of the session or not, I couldn't really hit under 7 minutes. Not far off them but still a worrying sign of things to come. 7.04, 7.01, 7.01

    "Recovery mile" was tough into the wind so left it drift to 8.10 before starting on the second rep. This one was 2 miles into the wind and 1 mile with it. First mile was similar to the first rep, just over, but the 2nd one was even slower. Was battling the wind and the legs were heavy. Was happy to turn and get some help from the wind for the 3rd one. It was the only mile I hit under 7 mins 7.04, 7.08, 6.59

    Another tough recovery mile which came in at 8.17. I wasn't really recovering in the legs though and they were really heavy starting the 3rd rep. Mixture of wind for this one but it was the least of my concern. First mile was ok-ish, tailwind helped me a bit. Second one though and I struggled badly, legs were shot and needed to run into a strong headwind for the last bit of it. Last mile with the wind and I tried to push it till the end 7.07, 7.18, 7.03

    Was pleased with the effort and wasn't too disappointed with missing the times. I think it is good to have these hard days at times, stops you from getting too far ahead of yourself :D

    Sunday 23th - 6m@6.58

    After a rest day Saturday, I wasn't too sure how this run would go. My legs were still tired and had to put 6 of those Thursday miles together into one. Was invited to run with a friend and meet up with a few others from her club. This was probably the distraction I needed - not to embarrass myself in front of other runners. After a 2 mile warmup, started off on the tempo miles.

    First 3 miles were with the wind and I was able to settle in to a good pace actually under target. Second part was into the wind at times, with some shelter too. 1 mile involved a strong headwind and having to go up and over a footbridge, which caused me to miss my target. Dug in for the last 2 miles and was relieved when it was over.
    6.53, 6.57, 6.56, 7.11, 6.56, 6.59

    Weekly mileage - 55 miles
    Year to date - 349 miles

    A really hard week, with high mileage and 3 hard sessions. Glad to get it over with. Another challenging one next week but seems to be easier on paper (famous last words). After today, I've decided to join Eagle AC here in Cork. I think it'll help me with these weekend runs, especially coming up to DCM. There's a lot of runners at my pace, plus loads faster, that I can learn from and hopefully improve with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Great week Trev! Very best of luck with the running club :) After having company for a lot of runs lately i think that is something I am going to dread when it comes to running the long runs alone for DCM!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    Great sessions T.

    All the best with the club, defo a good idea if schedule allows you to do the long runs in company, mentally way easier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Mallow 10 - week 4

    So far so good this week, two sessions complete and actually went quite well. Keep saying it's because I've improved as a runner since last week, but more likely that this week is some sort of stepback week :mad:

    Monday 24th - 6m easy, 9.24avg

    Lower back had been sore the past few days but was really stiff for this run. Caused the pace to be slower than normal but no big deal.

    Tuesday 25th - 3m@7.25, 3m@7.15, 3m@7.00

    Seeing a session with all miles at 7.xx with no sign of 6.xx miles made me happy, but knew not to underestimate it too much. Especially with the last 3 at 7min pace. Back was still a bit sore but not as bad as the day before, loosened up as the run progressed.

    First 3 miles were into the wind so to allow me to use the tailwind for the faster miles. Tree cover as normal made the 2nd mile slower 7.23, 7.31, 7.21

    Middle 3 were ok, last one was a bit up and down some hills so effort was up 7.12, 7.20, 7.14

    Felt great start of the last 3, was able to hit the sub 7 pace - something I couldn't do last week. All was comfortable until I rounded mahon point and straight into a vicious headwind for the 2nd mile. Caused the mile to be slower and effort was maximum. Turned for the last mile so got the tailwind again and powered it home 6.57, 7.08, 6.52

    Wednesday 26th - 5m easy, 9.43avg

    With the back still stiff, I decided to head to the UCC farm and run on "grass" for this one. Conditions were fairly muddy, paces were slow but it was well worth it. Felt great afterwards. It was good to be back there but with another storm on the way, might be another while before I can go back

    Thursday 27th - 8x800m@3.05 w 60secs rec

    Was kinda looking forward to this one in a weird way. Maybe because I was confident of being able to get this done ok. Wind had died down but was still going to use a tailwind for the session. Very difficult to judge the 6.10 pace needed, kept going too fast for the first part and then dying a bit for the second part. Walked the recoveries, never has 60 seconds gone so quickly than it did here. First 4 reps were on target

    3.00, 3.03, 3.03, 3.04

    Second set and legs were beginning to get heavier earlier in the rep. In saying that though, I never felt totally into the red but my legs were really heavy for the last one

    3.03, 3.04, 3.04, 3.04

    You might think that the reps were super consistent but as I said, paces were up and down for most of them. The great thing about these sessions is they don't seem to take much out of you, considering the effort and paces involved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Friday 28th - 8 mile easy, 8.43avg

    Horrible morning with loads of rain, but wind wasn't as bad. Decided to run this as close to home as possible. The 8 miles actually went fast enough and before I knew it I was looking into a well earned rest day.

    Sunday 1st - 12m@7.25

    Call me strange but seeing a run with 7.xx as the pace is a welcome relief these days, no matter how long the run is. I still knew it would be tough though. Met up with a couple of folks from the new club for the warmup and off we went.

    Their idea of warmup pace is significantly faster than mine so I was glad when the 2 warmup miles were over and they set off into the distance. I tried to settle into my pace. First few miles were a small bit slow but guess I was saving myself for the return miles against the wind. 7.40, 7.33, 7.31, 7.24

    Middle miles were more like it, had to keep up the pace and not let myself relaxed really 7.24, 7.30, 7.26, 7.23

    Started counting down the miles from here, legs were beginning to hurt but not as much as I'm used to these days. Finished up the last mile as my quickest 7.23, 7.26, 7.23, 7.14

    Weekly mileage - 52
    Year to date - 401 miles

    I've felt great this week, compared to last. My fear though, is that it was a stepback week and this is why I feel like I have a bit more energy. We'll see how next week goes. I already see that the paces have increased in my plan :eek::eek::eek:


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