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    #4592
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    hans aus dtschl wrote: »
    Ballinglanna opens in Q1/Q2 2020, with 400 units coming on stream eventually (probably over the next two years). And another 250 ish follows after that, if Dunkettle gets done..
    I'd obviously rather higher density housing developments located in the city centre, but it is technically city housing being delivered in the next few weeks. And it's obviously a flawed development design (no public transport or footpaths) but in terms of city housing delivery, it's at least a start.

    Really that soon? Glanmire traffic is already bad enough and none of the proposed road upgrades in the area have been done.


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    #4593
    who_me
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    hans aus dtschl wrote: »
    Ballinglanna opens in Q1/Q2 2020, with 400 units coming on stream eventually (probably over the next two years). And another 250 ish follows after that, if Dunkettle gets done..
    I'd obviously rather higher density housing developments located in the city centre, but it is technically city housing being delivered in the next few weeks. And it's obviously a flawed development design (no public transport or footpaths) but in terms of city housing delivery, it's at least a start.

    Great to hear!

    But - and I'm not being a misery guts, honest! - that's still a fraction of the new office capacity. Adding a thousand or so units across all residential developments, and 10,000+ new office capacity if all are finished; means a net negative for the accommodation shortage.

    Plus, if the offices are central and the residential developments are all suburban, it adds pressure too to the traffic and/or public transport systems.

    (It's Friday. I'll shut up and be happy now).


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    #4594
    questionmark?
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    who_me wrote: »
    Great to hear!

    But - and I'm not being a misery guts, honest! - that's still a fraction of the new office capacity. Adding a thousand or so units across all residential developments, and 10,000+ new office capacity if all are finished; means a net negative for the accommodation shortage.

    Plus, if the offices are central and the residential developments are all suburban, it adds pressure too to the traffic and/or public transport systems.

    (It's Friday. I'll shut up and be happy now).

    Further 302 apartments are to be constructed as part of the Horgans Quay development.
    Agreed its still not enough but some progress. The offices location means train travel becomes quite viable for a lot of people from East Cork and Mallow direction. God only knows how those from West cork are meant to get in!


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    #4595
    Apogee
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    snotboogie wrote: »

    Going forward:

    Updated best case schedule:

    Q4 2019: Victoria Hotel, Kelleher Tyre's Student, Morrison's Island Hostel

    Cork City Planning wrote:
    Permission...for the construction of a residential development of 25 no. student apartments, consisting of 154 no. bed spaces and all ancillary site works at the former Kelleher's Tyres service centre, Victoria Cross Road, Cork. The proposed development represents an alteration to a development permitted by Cork City Council planning reference 18/37795 and proposes an additional 5 no. student apartments over that previously permitted. The proposed development provides for the demolition of the existing commercial building and the construction of an 8-storey apartment block consisting of 4 no.4-bedroom apartments, 3 no. 5-bedroom apartments, 8 no. 6-bedroom apartments, 5 no. 7-bedroom apartments, 5 no. 8 bedroom apartments with ancillary common room and office/reception. The proposal includes plant/service rooms, bin storage area, laundry, bicycle storage, a rear vehicular service entrance, shared garden areas, rooftop terrace, and a landscaped riverside amenity.


    http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1938385/0

    Design drawings previously posted here.


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    #4596
    Douglas Eegit
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    Apogee wrote: »
    http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1938385/0

    Design drawings previously posted here.

    Are all these student apartments which are planned, in the middle of construction or recently completed having the desired impact and freeing up properties for private residential occupancy?


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    #4597
    rounders
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    Douglas Eegit wrote: »
    Are all these student apartments which are planned, in the middle of construction or recently completed having the desired impact and freeing up properties for private residential occupancy?

    Don't think there is a specific way to measure that. Can really only assume that if students are moving away from houses to purpose built properties that there is some degree of improvement


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    #4598
    whisky_galore
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    rounders wrote: »
    Don't think there is a specific way to measure that. Can really only assume that if students are moving away from houses to purpose built properties that there is some degree of improvement

    Depends whether they can afford these fancy pants apartment rents or not.


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    #4599
    hans aus dtschl
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    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    Really that soon? Glanmire traffic is already bad enough and none of the proposed road upgrades in the area have been done.

    Those belated infrastructure upgrades are going to ABP for CPO soon. Maybe complete next year if we're lucky.

    Fully agree that they shouldn't be lumping the new traffic onto the old infrastructure (as did ABP in their first planning refusal) but at least there's some glimmer of hope.


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    #4600
    Captainsatnav
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    That's the grasping of any nettles re CMATS and Ireland 2040 put off for months now until a government is formed and unless the Greens are part of that government I feel CMATS is b0llixed.


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    #4601
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    Captainsatnav wrote: »
    That's the grasping of any nettles re CMATS and Ireland 2040 put off for months now until a government is formed and unless the Greens are part of that government I feel CMATS is b0llixed.

    Well most areas of Cork returned SF so let's see if they are as "Green" as they espouse


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    #4602
    Captainsatnav
    Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Captainsatnav


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well most areas of Cork returned SF so let's see if they are as "Green" as they espouse
    They're not the 'green' we need. Non existent environmental policies in manifesto.


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    #4603
    namloc1980
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    Captainsatnav wrote: »
    That's the grasping of any nettles re CMATS and Ireland 2040 put off for months now until a government is formed and unless the Greens are part of that government I feel CMATS is b0llixed.

    Of the big 3 parties SF and FG specifically committed to funding CMATS in their manifesto. FF (despite the two main men in the party being from Cork) made no reference in their manifesto. The majority of the FF transport plan revolves around more roads.


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    #4604
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Let's see how the dust settles in a couple of weeks.
    Politics discussions won't help us right now.


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    #4605
    Captainsatnav
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Of the big 3 parties SF and FG specifically committed to funding CMATS in their manifesto. FF (despite the two main men in the party being from Cork) made no reference in their manifesto. The majority of the FF transport plan revolves around more roads.
    I didn't realise that - just checked it out. Thanks for pointing that out. Silver lining!


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    #4606
    snotboogie
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    Captainsatnav wrote: »
    I didn't realise that - just checked it out. Thanks for pointing that out. Silver lining!

    O'Laoghaire has been very vocal on public transport in Cork throughout his last term


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    #4607
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    snotboogie wrote: »
    O'Laoghaire has been very vocal on public transport in Cork throughout his last term


    And, should they end up in government, the proof will be in the eating


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    #4608
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,104 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And, should they end up in government, the proof will be in the eating

    Cork had a senior government minister at the cabinet table for the last 22 years between Martin and Coveney. They didn't exactly excel themselves at delivering infrastructure for Cork. I wouldn't be expecting anything now either.


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    #4609
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Cork had a senior government minister at the cabinet table for the last 22 years between Martin and Coveney. They didn't exactly excel themselves at delivering infrastructure for Cork. I wouldn't be expecting anything now either.

    Again, proof will be in the next few weeks/months.


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    #4610
    ShamoBuc
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Again, proof will be in the next few weeks/months.

    The proof of the last 20 years will not be undone in a couple of months time, nor will it ever be forgotten.

    Talk about setting someone up for a fall.


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    #4611
    [Deleted User]
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    The proof of the last 20 years will not be undone in a couple of months time, nor will it ever be forgotten.

    Talk about setting someone up for a fall.




    Progression on CMATS, Cork/Limerick Motorway, NRR will be telling.

    How is judging them on their commitments a set up?


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    #4612
    ShamoBuc
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Progression on CMATS, Cork/Limerick Motorway, NRR will be telling.

    How is judging them on their commitments a set up?

    Expecting something to be done in a couple of months when several ministers from Cork didnt deliver for Cork in over 2 decades.

    No pressure then.


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    #4613
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Expecting something to be done in a couple of months when several ministers from Cork didnt deliver for Cork in over 2 decades.

    No pressure then.




    They committed in their manifestos. CMATS came out last year, not 20 years ago. If it completely stalls then we know that SF are the same as others (should they form a government that is)


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    #4614
    marno21
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    It's important to note also that CMATS is still a draft. There won't be any implementations until the final revision is published.

    However, once it's published, that excuse becomes moot. The Chamber of Commerce amongst others have been calling for leadership on the issue in the pre-election season.

    The best thing is that there's the prospect of a Minister for Transport who isn't a disinterested fool.


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    #4615
    Rhys Essien
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    Would I right in saying that the decision on the Sextant tower will be before the end of this month.


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    #4616
    marno21
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    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Would I right in saying that the decision on the Sextant tower will be before the end of this month.
    You would indeed - 26th February


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    #4617
    whisky_galore
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    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owners-of-derelict-buildings-in-cork-given-month-to-remove-metal-support-beams-981379.html

    I'd like to know who owns these places and why they let them get into this state?


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    #4618
    Dbu
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owners-of-derelict-buildings-in-cork-given-month-to-remove-metal-support-beams-981379.html

    I'd like to know who owns these places and why they let them get into this state?


    Its well know who owns these buildings and his name has been mentioned on both 96fm and Red fm on numerous occasions
    Lives is a mansion on Maryborough hill


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    #4619
    Captainsatnav
    Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Captainsatnav


    Dbu wrote: »
    Its well know who owns these buildings and his name has been mentioned on both 96fm and Red fm on numerous occasions
    Lives is a mansion on Maryborough hill

    Why cryptic? Nothing wrong with stating who it is?


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    #4620
    Dbu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Dbu


    Captainsatnav wrote: »
    Why cryptic? Nothing wrong with stating who it is?
    Here you go
    Easy to find online
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/owner-blames-crash-for-dereliction-on-corks-historic-spine-932989.html


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    #4621
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    There's a smallish housing estate being started on mill road midleton ,but more significantly the enormous concrete grain silos next door are also being demolished , I'll see if I can get a pic or 2 to put up , assume they'll be weeks working on the demolition ,it's not a huge site ,with mill road in front ,
    And the river just a few feet behind the silos ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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