Cork developments

12-07-2019 3:25pm

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I just disagree that the idea that they were "sitting rotten for decades and nobody gave a sh!te about them... until developers showed interest in the site". Those buildings do have architectural merit.

Well to be fair the objectors are always very fast with other people's money for renovating buildings, without ever wanting to pay to maintain the buildings themselves.

That is how no one gave a sh!te about them. A building can have all the architectural merit in the world but Ireland loves to allow such building decay, with no consequences to the owner.
They can be beautiful architecture AND a dilapidated old ruin, at the same time, in this country. Look at North Main Street and how nothing is done to the property owners allowing them literally fall down!

hans aus dtschl · 12-07-2019 3:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well to be fair the objectors are always very fast with other people's money for renovating buildings, without ever wanting to pay to maintain the buildings themselves.

That is how no one gave a sh!te about them. A building can have all the architectural merit in the world but Ireland loves to allow such building decay, with no consequences to the owner.

Yep it's all too common, just look at Vernon Mount: I believe it was "protected" also.

Anyway I think we've exhausted all this to death.
Some people like the facade of the Sextant, big deal.

ofcork · 12-07-2019 3:35pm

Wonder will o callaghans make any move on redeveloping old animals home site with all the other activity down there now.

leahyl · 12-07-2019 4:03pm

ofcork wrote: »

Wonder will o callaghans make any move on redeveloping old animals home site with all the other activity down there now.

Isn't there going to be a hotel built there? Thought there was planning granted for that site.

ofcork · 12-07-2019 4:05pm

Don't think a hotel was part of the plans there only office space iirc.

snotboogie · 12-07-2019 4:10pm

ofcork wrote: »

Don't think a hotel was part of the plans there only office space iirc.

The office won't be built OCP want to build a highrise apartment building but won't until Vat rates on apartments come down.

ofcork · 12-07-2019 4:11pm

Arent jcd going to build one on the sextant site.

Lackadaisical · 12-07-2019 4:40pm

There's a balance between protecting heritage, and that involves protecting key buildings but you can't just freeze the city in time either. It's a city, not a museum. Some things will inevitably change. They always have.

The one thing that's been disappointing me has been the lack of imagination in some of the newer builds and perhaps that's been driven by budgets, but we do need to encourage architects to really try some landmark pieces or we'll end up with a very conservatively bland, utilitarian skyline. That's something that Dublin's suffered from enormously due to paranoia about height and shooting down every interesting project. It's ended up with a mixture of bland buildings and odd looking pastiches from the 90s trying to pretend to be something they're not.

Then when it came to actually protecting heritage, they drove a big 4-lane avenue straight thought the Liberties and have traffic running basically through the middle of Christchurch which is absolutely unfathomably crass design.

Cork needs to get its priorities right when it comes to protecting the character of the city while bringing it into modernity and getting its economy really flowing.

We've a huge possibility to not repeat the mistakes made in Dublin and to strike out as a really serious Northern European small / mid size city in the coming decades that can hold its own against anything. We should be looking at the likes of mid-sized Dutch cities and port cities like Rotterdam and some of the Nordic cities for ideas and completely ignoring Dublin and the UK models.

The downside is we're hamstrung by very weak local government.

TheChizler · 12-07-2019 5:13pm

Lackadaisical wrote: »

There's nothing unique about it. Every port in Europe and North America had similar big ugly grain silos.

There'll be a massive problem maintaining that structure. Are you suggesting the City Council should maintain it out of tight budgets for amenities and public housing?

I can't see how it could be incorporated into any new development and you can't cut holes in a silo to create windows, as the structure is like a concrete tank. It would become unstable. So all you're left with is a big, windowless, concrete box.

As posted above, does this look familiar?

https://www.2oceansvibe.com/2014/04/15/have-you-seen-what-theyre-doing-with-the-grain-silos-at-the-va-waterfront/

Already had small windows but they've cut out much bigger holes, no reason to consider it impossible in Cork. Looks incredible now IMO. Cost is the only real issue.

Lackadaisical · 12-07-2019 5:21pm

You still have to consider what's the merit of that structure though? What's it adding to the vista there? It was probably built with minimal / no architectural input. It's purely a utilitarian structure - i.e. basically a tank.

Should we also preserve all the oil tanks in Tivoil? Or strip out and preserve the big metal stacks of the ESB's abandoned gas turbine next to the Marina Power Station?

I don't really see a budget for this coming from the private sector and the city can't afford to take on a project like that.

I'd rather see the focus put on preserving the redbrick Odlums building and the ESB's 1950s brick building, which is inevitably going to be put up for sale at some stage.

On a slightly side issue, but it's important in the overall development of the docklands on both sides:

The one thing I would really love to see is the removal of that ugly 1950s pylon mounted 110kV line crossing the river into the Marina Power station. There should be a lot more pressure put on to find alternative routing for that. While I'm not in anyway bothered about magnetic fields and there's absolutely no science behind any of that, I just think they're extremely ugly and running across one of the nicest views in the city.

For example could that be buried under the future North Ring and brought in to the city underground e.g. under the blackpool bypass or under the M8 glanmire bypass much like the southern power systems run from Tramore Road to Marina under the South Link.

The line links the Marina ESB plant to the substation at Kilbarry (behind Blackpool on the outskirts of the city)

The old oil-filled lines that carried that system were replaced a few years ago and it was done fairly painlessly by dropping them under the south link and doing a resurfacing at the same time.

http://www.mcgintyoshea.ie/project/esb-marina-trabeg-110kv-cable-uprate/

It wasn't quite as horrendous as this article makes it out, but it should be feasible to do something with the other line too.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/fear-infrastructure-projects-will-cause-traffic-chaos-in-city-201040.html

It just seems like something that should be planned into the North Ring upgrade.

It would be a big benefit to a lot of the residential areas it passes over too.

Even a shorter project like dropping it underground somewhere and bringing it down the Tivoli road, into the docks and across the harbour underwater might make sense.

fonecrusher1 · 12-07-2019 6:08pm

Whats the story with the Prism? Is it due to commence building Q3 or this year at all? Its important as it will lead the way for even bigger projects.

Roger Hassenforder · 12-07-2019 6:36pm

TheChizler wrote: »

As posted above, does this look familiar?

https://www.2oceansvibe.com/2014/04/15/have-you-seen-what-theyre-doing-with-the-grain-silos-at-the-va-waterfront/

Already had small windows but they've cut out much bigger holes, no reason to consider it impossible in Cork. Looks incredible now IMO. Cost is the only real issue.

Jazis, the interior of that is stunning.

snotboogie · 12-07-2019 6:45pm

Q2 Update

Under Construction

Navigation Square: An OCP four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3,000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19' Clearstream to be the anchor client. Phase 2 commenced in Sept 2018. Phase 1 completed

Penrose Dock: JCD's 7 and 9 floor 250,000 sq ft office development in the area bounded by Penrose quay, Railway street, Alfred street and Brian Boru street. Will be able to accomodate 2,250 workers. Submitted for planning at the end of May, decision due on 19th of July. Further information also requested. Further information supplied and planning granted on the 12th of September. Appeals allowed until the 11th of October. If this is not appealed JCD could be on site by Halloween. On site by the middle of October! Clearance work ongoing as of the end of October. We could see a crane by Christmas. Still no crane at the start of November but work progressing quickly. No crane in December but work still progressing. First tower crane up, Second tower crane base in place. A third crane will be erected later in the project. Planning amendment for the roof terrace: JCD states that discussions with prospective tenants for the proposed offices currently under construction on site, identified the potential for a south-facing roof top terrace to Building B, to take advantages of views over this part of the City and provide an enhanced amenity space for future employees. This project now has 3 tower cranes erected

Horgan's Quay: A joint venture between BAM and Clarendon featuring over 400,000 sq feet of office Space for 5,000 employees, 302apartments, a 136 bed hotel and 3,000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Appeal withdrawn in April. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in August with the office and apartments commencing in 2019. Probably worth noting that construction was set to start in August but as of the end of September nothing has happened. However the Hotel Clients Oakmount have already named the hotel The Dean so I would really expect serious construction to start in October or November. Serious site clearance began in October but the commencement of work form that was posted, stated a 26 week initial site contract to include all the required demolitions and site preparation work for the main construction. This means that it could be April next year before we see construction on site. Piling on the hotel has started. The site clearance line seemed to refer to the whole site. Expect a crane by Christmas! Not quite by Christmas but work is now ongoing on both the Hotel and the Office section of the development. Tower Crane erected on the site of the Dean. Two more cranes to come for the office development. Second Tower Crane erected on the office site.Planning for Apartments increased to 302

Westfield Offices Ballincollig: Located on 6 acres Westfield Office Quarter comprises 5 individual buildings located within a landscaped development. In total the scheme has the potential to provide up to 264,000 sq ft of office accommodation with stand-alone buildings varying in size from 12,000 sq ft to 70,000 sq ft. Started site clearance in November. Construction began in December

Student :

Bam's Beamish site (413 beds) has two tower cranes erected and began work on the office element at the end of October. Office element erected a third crane on the site in March 2019
Student Hub in UCC has it's tower crane down and is nearing completion
Farranlea Road Student (145 beds) has began construction
O’Mahony Packaging Building on Melbourne Road (348 beds) has site clearance underway

Residential

608 units, 496 houses and 112 apartments in Ballinglanna Glanmire, Ground and infrastructure works commenced on that project in Oct 2018, with a sales launch due next spring.
800 units, in the Janeville development in Carrigaline started in April 2017, 100-150 delivered per year. Now on Phase 3 with 111 units sold so far.
The Millerd St apartments have one crane
174 Units Harpers creek Glounthane
White St/Sawmill St/ Rutland St social housing apartments

this isn't a tower crane so doesn't make the crane count

Other:

Industrial projects: Johnson & Johnson (biggest construction project in Cork), MSD, Eli Lilly (all above 100 million).
Container Terminal for the Port of Cork: €80 million container terminal for the Port of Cork in Ringaskiddy. will initially offer a 360m with 13m depth to allow larger ships to berth at Ringaskiddy. The development includes the construction of a 13.5-hectare terminal and associated buildings as well as two ship-to-shore gantry cranes and container handling equipment. It is anticipated that it will become operational by 2020.
Bishopstown Credit Union has a surprisingly large construction scope:

There are currently 11 up 3 from last quarter. There were actually 12 at one stage before the student hub crane came down; 3 on the Beamish site, 1 at Navigation Square, 2 at Horgans Quay, 3 at Penrose Dock, 1 on the Millerd St apartments and 1 at Bishopstown Credit Union. We will probably either see the count drop or stay steady with two more to go up in the North docks before August and two to go down at the Beamish site soon. We may see a brief new peak at 13 cranes.

snotboogie · 12-07-2019 6:46pm

Pre Planning/Planning/Appealed

Mixed Use:

Custom House Tower: Tower Holding have proposed a 140 metre, 34 storey tower with the redevelopment of the bonded warehouses on site including hotel, retail, tourism and commercial offices. It will feature the restoration of the existing landmark structures and the introduction of a new hotel tower, which at about 140 metres tall will become the Republic’s tallest building. It will host 240 rooms and 25 serviced apartments. The hotel accommodation will offer spa, swimming pool and gym facilities. At its very top the tower will feature a sky bar. The bonded warehouses will be opened up for public access, which will include retail units for local entrepreneurs, and a cultural experience representing Cork’s history as a port. The development will be completed with the introduction of a micro-distillery at the eastern end of the site. Planning permission for the new development is expected to be lodged later this month.

Sullivan's Quay: BAM's 12 storey, 180 bed, 47 metre, 4 star Hotel with 6 storey 120,000sq ft office space. Planning granted and immediately appealed. It is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. Full planning granted on June 29th. No start date for construction. Now three months with planning and little to no construction activity. Not time to get worried but one to keep an eye on. Strong rumours that this will not start until the event centre does. So expect a delay of at least 6 months. Essentially confirmed that this will not start until the Event centre does. The site was put up for sale in Q1 2019. BAM still want to build the development and are looking for owners not clients to operate the hotel (who are allegedly still on board)

Residential:

Albert Quay Tower: JCD are proposing a 25 storey build to rent apartment tower on Albert Quay on The Sextant/Carey's Tools Site featuring 210 apartments. The building will include a 25th storey residents' lounge, gym, 62 double basement car spaces, 400 bike slots, and relocated bar/restaurant in a protected structure which was a former railway ticket office.

Jacobs Island Apartments: McCarthy Properties/Montip Horizon's 413 apartments across a couple of blocks ranging in size from 6 storeys to 9 storeys and one landmark 82.8m and 25 floor tower! This would be the tallest building in the state if constructed. Submitted for Planning with a decision due on October 10th. Planning permission granted and McCarthy Properties are now are "now engaging with our design team and development partners to bring forward the development as granted". I've heard that we won't see anything on site here until at least 2020. A December 2018 article stated "As if to punctuate the region’s ambitions, work on a landmark residential tower overlooking the estuary in the southern suburb of Mahon is set to get underway next year.".

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753 Units, 599 no. houses, 154 no. apartments for Longview Estates Ltd, logged at the end of April, asked for further consideration at the start of July
472 units for Cairns Homes Properties, Carr's Hill Douglas in fast track strategic planning. Amended in May 2019 decision due 21st of Aug 2019
251 residential units in Grange with associated road works, decision yet to be made. Granted planning in March 2019
227 units Garranegarragh Bishopstown, decision due 21st of August
222 units, 171 houses 51 apartments in Cobh gone for consultation, told to amend at the end of June
207 units submitted in Ballincollig in Nov 2018. Marked as invalid
203 units, 50 houses, 153 apartments on the Nemo site in Douglas approved in May
200 on the Good Shepard site
200 Units Glenveagh bought the unfinished Eden development in Blackrock for 9 million in Oct 2018. Reported as on site as of Dec 2018 by CIS but I haven't seen any reports of work being done myself.
180 units, 164 houses and 10 apartments in Glounthaune
162 residential units (74 no. houses and 88 no. apartments) in Banduff including a creche, 2 pedestrian bridges with pedestrian amenity paths, landscaping and all ancillary site development works
108 in Blarney units, gone for consultation
100 build to rent apartments in Ballintemple: were told to amend
99 units in Coolfadda, Bandon, Co. Cork
66 apartments in a 13 storey Tower in Glanmire 66 apartments, a restaurant and gym, two commercial units and three levels of basement parking with 102 spaces Refused planning
19 Apartments approved in two towers; one 10-storeys tall and the other a six-storey structure - on a strategic site off Victoria Road, behind the under-construction Navigation Square office precinct.

Office:

The Prism: Tower Holdings's 15 storey, 70 metre, 60,000 sq ft office development on the triangle site on Clontarf Street. Planning lodged in the middle of May and a decision is due on the 10th of July. An Taisce objected on the 22nd of June. Further information requested on planning, however height doesn't seem to be an issue. Further information supplied on September the 17th a decision is due on the 8th of October. Planning approved, the mysterious O'Sullivan brothers are set "to comment" if this passes the appeal period.... An Taisce very likely to appeal, if they don't this has been given a tentative start date of Q2 2019. An Taisce went and appealed... Delayed proceedings until March next year at the best. No update on planning as of the end of March 2019. Permission granted in June!!

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Penrose Quay Office: Karamex Ltd's twin office buildings, six storeys and seven storeys in height, are planned for Penrose Quay adjacent to the under-construction Penrose Dock development. The office buildings are designed for single or multiple office users and will be targeted for general office, technology or educational users. They could accommodate up to 1,000 workers. Further information requested in June.

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City Gate Plaza: JCD submitted for planning permission for the construction of an office development at the former Ma/Comm Site. The proposed development includes two office buildings; Block A will be four floors Block B will be three floors over ground floor with terraces. The proposed development also includes a ground floor café and additional car parking. Decision due 28th of August. Planning has been resubmitted and a new decision is due on the 23rd of October. Further information requested. Planning permission granted on the 15th of Dec The one month wait on appeals will conclude in the middle of January. Got full planning approval in Jan however no word at all on this starting.

Hotel:

Parnell Place Hotel: 7flr, 165 bed hotel on Parnell Place and Deane Street. Submitted on Aug 6th, objections from residents on the 10th of Sept. Planning decision was due on the 26th of Sept. Further information requested. Information supplied in Nov with a decision due on Dec 3rd. Planning Permission Granted on the 3rd of Dec The one month wait on appeals will conclude at the start of January. Appealed to ABP in Jan, decision due in Q2. Permission granted in may 2019! Work to start later this year

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Morrison's Island Hostel: 192-bed hostel. The development will include the demolition of a currently vacant building on the site after planning was granted to applicant Eoin Sheehan. Planning granted on the 4th of September. No movement at all on this in Q2

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No appeals and got full permission in April. Construction on the M boutique hotel to start sometime in 2019 and the Metropole will start once the M is completed. I have a bad feeling about this one, we are now 6 months since full planning and no movement. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go the way of Merchants Quay. Rumours that the M is set to start in mid 2019. No movement at all in Q2

MacCurtain Street/York Street Hotel: 8 floor 73 bed hotel. Planning granted in March, appealed soon after and withdrawn at the end of April. Construction to start before the end of the year. Again nothing on this at all for 6 months. A poster on this thread has mentioned that the pre construction phase is underway. Rumoured to start in Q2 2019. No movement at all in Q2 does anybody know when this will start?

71 South Mall: Planning has been sought for a new hotel at 71 South Mall with a rear building facing Morgan Street (and the improving of Morgan Street). The developers, South Mall Hospitality Ltd, are seeking permission to demolish the roof and upper floors of the four-storey limestone building that dates to the 1880s. Two new storeys would be added to create a five-storey structure. A new six-storey building would also be constructed to the rear of the premises fronting onto Morgan Street, the narrow lane alongside the Imperial Hotel.

40-42 Grand Parade Hostel: Westhill, through an Irish subsidiary Bluescape Limited, is planning to convert the former tourist office on Grand Parade into a six-storey hostel made up of 48 rooms providing 284-bed spaces.

Retail:

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, appealed with a decision due soon. (If somebody knows the date it would be great). No update on when the decision is due, again if somebody knows when this is due i'd love to hear. As of the end of July there is bizarrely still no update. Planning due on the 12th of September but has been indefinitely delayed. Surprise, surprise 3 more months and no decision from ABP. Permisssion Granted in June 2019 Amazing!!

Merchants Quay: Has had planning permission since July 2015.The last article I found on it was from 2017 and said: It is understood that work won't begin until early next year to minimise disruption to shoppers over the coming Christmas shopping period, though sources close to the development are confident that the work will be finished by late 2018. New planning lodged in Feb 2019. Planning permission granted in May 2019

Entertainment

Cork Events Centre: BAM's 6,000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Construction put back to Q1 2019 at the earliest pending new planning permission. Quite a lot of waffle in July but ultimately nothing happened. Planning submitted on Aug 10th with a decision due on October 4th. An taisce have objected and will almost certainly appeal if planning is granted. There is also the not so small hurdle of central government funding. Expect this to rumble into the new year.... More information requested at the start of October. Lets see if BAM respond before the new year... No news in Nov 2018. The additional funds were approved in Dec 2018 BAM now need to provide the additional information for planning and wait on a decision. Cork City council have started an investigation in the funding. Project back in limbo. Extra information submitted in July 2019 including a new design, planning decision due in August.

Curraheen Sports and Exhibition Centre: The Munster Agricultural Society (MAS) has applied to Cork County Council for planning permission for a “multi-purpose sports, exhibition and education facility” on a portion of their 48-acre Curraheen site, and home of the annual Cork Summer Show, just south of the N40 Ballincollig bypass. It is proposed to be a 6,489sq m, two-storey facility overlooking the MAS’s existing “show fields”, with a large exhibition hall capable of hosting trade shows, indoor sports such as basketball and ice hockey, and exams for up to 800 students. MAS chairman Gerard Murphy stressed that the facility will not be targetting the large-scale events or concerts the Cork Event Centre is likely to host.

Student accommodation:

The old Crows Nest site (250 beds) got planning in March for 10 and 8 storey student accommodation and should hopefully start at some stage this year, UCC expect it open for Sept 2020. Appointing contractor in Dec for start in mid Jan 2018. No start in Q1. Hopefully this will start in May 2019. Start date pushed to Sept 2019

Gainstar Limited Partnership's Coca-Cola site (600 beds) on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? Site has been sold to Future Generations who will submit planning for an increase to 600 beds and are hoping for a Q2 2019 start pending planning.Planning sought in Feb 2019, the proposed modifications include increasing the number of apartments on the site from 92 to 167 and bed spaces from 484 to 623. The height of the proposed buildings will increase from six to ten storeys and from four to seven storeys previously permitted. Decision due on the 8th of April. Planning granted in May 2019, possible Q4 start

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The Square Deal (228 beds) appeal was withdrawn and it now has full planning permission. Rumours are that this will be sold to another student accommodation provider who will submit planning for a larger development, possibly including the Off Licence site next to it.

Kelleher Tyres site on Victoria Cross Rd (124 beds) and their 5 storey apartment block were asked for further information, decision due on the 7th of August. Further information was requested in August

O’Riordans Joinery (418 beds) at the Lough was due for decision on the 24th of May but I've heard nothing? Permission granted on the 25th of Aug 2018. Developers have gone back to ABP at the end of Oct 2018 asking to increase beds to 418 ABP have ruled Is reasonable Application basis I have no idea what that means.... Final decision due in early May 2019. Planning Granted in May 2019

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Industrial:

€130 million investment to be made to expand the Middleton Distillery

Public

Marina Park: Under construction with first phase to open in Q1 2019. I'm very sceptical. As of end of Oct 2018, nothing happening on site. In Nov 2019 they claimed they are looking for a contractor. Work due to start in march according to this article from Feb

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Tramore Valley Park: Despite being mostly completed years ago the park remains in limbo with regard to an opening date. A few months ago Ann Doherty, chief executive of Cork City Council, said that the plan was to have the amenity open in ‘August or September.’ Now pushed back to 2019 or 2020, depending on funding. In Oct 2018 we got a new opening date of May 2019 Open as of May 2019

Infrastructure:

8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: Tender for this project has been awarded to Sisk. This was a two stage process where Sisk undertook preliminary works before beginning the main project, however due to worse than expected ground conditions on the site, the contractor will not be able to complete the project at the previously tendered price and negotiations are currently ongoing between the contractor and TII. In the event the two parties fail to reach an agreement, the project will be retendered which will add 12-18 months to the project timeline. At present, if a deal can be agreed the project should be complete by mid 2022. In the event of a retender, the project will not be complete until 2024 at the earliest.

M20 Cork-Limerick & M40 North Ring Road East: Consultants have now been appointed to carry this project through Phases 1-4 of TII's Project Management Guidelines (feasibility/project scope, route selection, design & EIS, statutory process) The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform announced in Sept that this scheme is expected to start in 2021 and open in 2025, however this appears extremely ambitious. Based on current projects going through the process, it is envisaged that the M20 will open in approx. 11-13 years (2030-2032). According to CMATS, a link from the M20 at Killeens to the M8 at Glanmire will be assessed as part of the M20 scheme, however the delivery of this link (the North Ring) is not guaranteed at this stage.

N22 Macroom-Ballyvourney: Tenders were received for this project in the last few weeks. A tender award is expected in the next 6 months with the project to start soon after. A three year timeframe is anticipated with the project therefore expected to be complete by Q1 2023.

N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton: This project is included in the National Development Plan having been suspended in 2011. The project has passed the pre-appraisal stage and consultants will be appointed to carry the project through Phases 1-4 of TII's PMG in 2019. Consultants have been appointed too many of the other projects that started with this one so it is not seen as a priority at this stage.

M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This project was approved in full by An Bord Pleanala in July 2018, however is currently in the High Court. A decision on whether or not to quash planning permission has been deferred until at least October.

M40 Motorway Reclassification and ITS Upgrade: Contractors are currently on site installing gantries along the N40 and approach roads. Gantries are currently being installed on the N22 eastbound at Poulavone, N40 eastbound at Curraheen, N40 westbound at Togher, N71 citybound at the Viaduct. Jacobs and TII are currently advancing a motorway reclassification study for the N40 which will be published in due course.

R624 Cobh Road dualling: Cork County Council are applying to DTTAS to have this road upgraded to a national road and a portion of dual carriageway built along its length which will involve the construction of a 2nd dual carriageway bridge onto Great Island. The project will be initially appraised under DTTAS new appraisal guidelines, with no timescale yet for delivery.

R630 upgrade: It is a short/medium term goal for Cork County Council to upgrade the R630 between Whitegate and the N25 at Lakeview. This was reinforced in the CMATS publication however no actual plan has been published. It is also an objective of Cork County Council to redesignate the road as a national secondary road, which would make it eligible for TII funding. However the lack of funding for the much busier N71 doesn't lend much hope to this objective being fruitful.

snotboogie · 12-07-2019 6:46pm

In Limbo

Public:

N22 Macroom-Ovens: This overcapacity mess first had a route selected by Cork County Council and the NRA in 2002. Since then there has been no progress on the scheme and what work was done has to be scrapped. In 2018, in planning for the National Development Plan, TII identified the road as having a high rate of head on collisions, but the road was omitted from the investment plan. It is currently suspended until at least 2022.

N25 Midleton-Youghal (bypassing Castlemartyr/Killeagh): TII findings in 2018 show that this stretch of road has sufficient capacity until at least 2030. It remains suspended and no work this side of 2030 is currently envisaged.

N27 N40-Cork Airport: TII flagged this route as operating at >120% of capacity in 2018 but have no plans to do anything about that. CMATS plans bus lanes between the N40 and Cork Airport in both directions./

M40 North Ring Road West: The project was mentioned in CMATS as a long term strategic goal with no implementation plan. The project remains a priority for TII due to congestion along the corridor but there is a severe lack of will to advance the project. It will be costly due to terrain which is another stumbling block.

N71: The N71 remains the busiest national secondary road in the country, with close to 30,000 vehicles per day approaching the N40. It remains with no upgrade plan, bar a plan to extend the half baked Bandon relief road. It is worth noting that the N71 at Bishopstown is carrying THREE times the capacity of the road, with traffic volumes meriting motorway as far as at least Halfway with dual carriageway from there to west of Bandon

Retail:

Penny's Patrick Street: In Summer 2018 Lawrence Owens of the CBA said “This planning process has been going on for a long time,” “When it happens it will transform the area, and bring vibrancy in terms of the size and scale of the project. We are just hoping that this development, which has been mooted for two to three years, can happen sooner rather than later.” Don't hold your breath!

Office:
OCP's Anderson Quay (150,000 ft2/ 5 stories) Has had full planning since sometime in 2016. No updates in the last few years. Perhaps if The Prism was to go ahead we could see something at Anderson Quay? It could possibly be developed in conjunction with the smaller phase two of OCP's Navigation Square? According to OCP in this interview they now want to develop Anderson Quay as apartments but want to wait for more favorable market and regulatory conditions.

Stone Work Properties' Camden Quay (65,000 sq ft/ 5 stories): Demolition work finished in Jan 2017 with Stone Work claiming "that once demolition was complete, construction would take just 12 months"

All three office (now two) developments were mentioned in this article from August 2018.

Student Accommodation:

Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road (344 beds) has had planning for two years.

Concept/Pre Planning

Kennedy Quay: Cork’s docklands prime Origin site (including R&H Hall and the Odlums Building), with a €47.5m purchase, agreed on July 10th 2019, could take place over a possible start period in three years time, and lasting to as much as 20+ years to complete, such is its scale and scope. It has potential under current masterplans for up to 4 million square feet of development at a possible capital value over time of €1bn, with 40% allocated for high-density residential accommodation. And, density and heights may rise even more in the city’s new Dockland LAP, due to be published by year’s end. It has scope for up to 1,600 apartments for city-based office workers. Image of the site below:

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Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale in May. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity. Rumored to be a residential development with over 1,000 apartments. Sold to Glenveagh in June 2018 for over 15 million.

The Comer brother bought the nearby Tedcastle site for €15 million as well and are also planning residential most likely high density apartments. The Comer Brothers also bought a 3.3 acre warehouse building on the Centre Park/Monoghan Rd.

Glenveagh in Nov 2018 bought a 42 acre plot of land in Douglas for 22 million. It has planning for 200 houses on 19 acres but has a further 23 acre lot which is zoned for medium of high density. I would expect a new planning application for the entire site. We could see up to 500 units total here.

A 7 acre site on the South Douglas Rd went on sale at the start of Nov. It is zoned for high density apartments. Sold in Q1 2019 and 150 units are set to go for planning.

UCC Business School was announced on the site of Trintiy Quarter, we await planning

Transportation: A Cork light rail and/or BRT system got vague mentions in Ireland 2040 but its rumoured something more concrete will be announced at the end of the summer. Now pushed back to "sometime in October" with much more vague mentions of LRT and BRT.
Bus connects was allocated 200 million in funding in the 2040 plan.
The Eastern Gateway Bridge remains a concept

Going forward:

Updated best case schedule:

Q3 2018: Navigation Sq phase 2
Q4 2018: Horgan's Quay, Penrose Dock, Westfield Office
Q1 2019: Nothing
Q2 2019: Farranlea Road Student, O’Mahony Packaging Student
Q3 2019: Crows Nest, York Street Hotel, Coca Cola Student, The Prism, Parnell Place Hotel, O’Riordans Joinery Student,
Q4 2019: Victoria Hotel, Kelleher Tyre's Student, Morrison's Island Hostel
Q1 2020: Albert Quay Tower, Events Centre, Sullivan's Quay, 71 South Mall, Grand Parade Hostel, City Gate Plaza, Jacobs Island Tower, The M, Penrose Quay Office

Lackadaisical · 12-07-2019 8:43pm

Is putting yet more housing into Carrigaline a good idea, without the motorway and with bad public transport links?

Another 800+ houses into a situation where they're traffic on Carr's Hill ??

I'd have thought until the transit issues there are resolved, there should be a moratorium on development.

omicron · 12-07-2019 8:50pm

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Is putting yet more housing into Carrigaline a good idea, without the motorway and with bad public transport links?

Another 800+ houses into a situation where they're traffic on Carr's Hill ??

I'd have thought until the transit issues there are resolved, there should be a moratorium on development.

If that were the case nothing would ever be built anywhere as public infrastructure is never up to speed.
Unfortunately public infrastructure only gets built after everything has ground to a halt.

snotboogie · 12-07-2019 8:50pm

I appear to have forgotten that CMATS happened! I’ll update when I’m not on my phone

marno21 · 12-07-2019 9:23pm

More info on the tower

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cost-of-conserving-corks-200-year-old-bonded-warehouses-in-new-development-may-rise-above-25m-936610.html

The more I read about it the more I can’t wait for it to happen. It’s going to be beyond outrageous for Cork

Junkyard Tom · 12-07-2019 10:01pm

R. & H. Hall, Marina Road, Cork City, Cork City

This building has a visual significance ... as a result of its visibility from many parts of the city

buildingsofireland.ie

Wait a second, its significance is that people can see it from quite far away? What kind of a lame-ass excuse is that to designate some thing as 'significant'?

flo8s967qjh0nd · 12-07-2019 10:20pm

I really like the the new proposals for the bonded warehouses. Based on the images, much better than the early ideas. One simple thing: I'd like to see the big Port of Cork sign kept at the tip of the island.
I have a fondness for RH Hall but understand that adapting that building for any other use may be a big ask even for the beat developer.

Rhys Essien · 12-07-2019 10:25pm

Great news all around today. It seems it was the city council who didn't allow them to build the tower at the point which I suppose we will get over. Seeing a plan view of the tower tonight it's appears to be in the shape of an octagon which is cool.

Chris_5339762 · 12-07-2019 11:09pm

It would be a lovely tower to see, but that one will have queues of people waiting to appeal the minute planning is granted.

vinnie_cork · 12-07-2019 11:14pm

Camilla Better Muffler wrote: »

. One simple thing: I'd like to see the big Port of Cork sign kept at the tip of the island.

Like in San Francisco, but definitely high rise behind!! Nothing wrong with growing up! Learn from Dublin’s mistakes

Markcheese · 13-07-2019 7:16am

If they build 35 floors at custom House Quay, the prisim, the Sextant/careys tool hire tower, and add in the elysium, setting the trend heading east, what height do people reckon Kennedys quay will head towards...?

Rhys Essien · 13-07-2019 8:44am

Markcheese wrote: »

If they build 35 floors at custom House Quay, the prisim, the Sextant/careys tool hire tower, and add in the elysium, setting the trend heading east, what height do people reckon Kennedys quay will head towards...?

The sky's the limit down that direction. I don't want to get ahead of myself but if someone puts a tower at the top of Penrose Quay and across on Anderson's Quay which (OCP said they could do) then the place will start to look like a mini Manhattan which won't be bad at all.

Bring it on.

kub · 13-07-2019 10:14am

Just over 24 hours since this announcement and they are objecting already.
Just saw an article in today's Echo Live, I am surprised really that the tower will be so big that it could upset people in Cobh....

Anyway, same old, same old;

13.07.2019 09:08

Custom House Quay development

Heritage campaigner intends to object to towering hotel plan on Port of Cork site

Robert McNamara

AN artist who has campaigned against a skyscraper development at the historic Port of Cork site has described new images of the proposed 34-storey tower as “dreadfully ugly”.

Cobh-based painter John Adams has garnered over 1,700 signatures for a petition against large-scale commercial development on the site of the Port of Cork buildings at Custom House Quay.

Tower Holdings unveiled plans yesterday for a €140m development on the site which will include a skyscraper hotel, retail units, cultural spaces, food and beverage businesses, office space, recreational areas and a micro-distillery, creating up to 800 jobs.

The building will be the tallest in Ireland, twice the height of the nearby Elysian Tower.

the beer revolu · 13-07-2019 11:04am

John Adams.
Failed politician.
Sh1te painter.
General knob head.
Go away.

hot buttered scones · 13-07-2019 11:32am

kub wrote:

Cobh-based painter John Adams has garnered over 1,700 signatures for a petition against large-scale commercial development on the site of the Port of Cork buildings at Custom House Quay.

Would anyone like to start a petition in favour of the tower?

kub · 13-07-2019 11:35am

hot buttered scones wrote: »

Would anyone like to start a petition in favour of the tower?

Good idea, could one be started here on boards ?

Cork developments

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